I think Adebayor is better. Torres plays more Latinesque. Thats the reason many idiots think he is more skilled than Adebayor.
Adebayor or Torres, who is better?
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I actually agree, Adebayor is more skilled than a lot of people give him credit for imo, Torres is probably technically better but not by too much, he is faster as well. However, Adebayor is offers the thing Torres does albeit a little less, but also offers facets to the game, good in the air with far more strength Torres, far stronger than Torres on the ball, harder to defend, and far bigger defensive headache in all honesty(the type of player defenders dont like to face). Rio, the best defender in the league, classed him as his hardest match ups last year, doubt he will be saying that about Torres this year.
Torres, Adebayor or Drogba?
Adebayor mate. Drogba is the least skilled of the lot.
Torres by a zillion countrymiles
Torres has that effect on a lot of people.
Not that I think they don't count for anything, but how many of Adebayor's goals have been penalties?
How many times have you seen Benzema play?
3 pens and 5 headers out of his 19.
They just hit him on the bonce.Pfft, Adebayor cant head according to some here!
Pfft, Adebayor cant head according to some here!
According to who?
It was you who doubted Torres' heading ability. I am not sure anyone questioned Adebayor's.
Instant_Karma said:
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The statement:
The evidence:
I rest my case.
Pfft, Adebayor cant head according to some here!
The evidence:
I rest my case.
Torres is not better than adebayor. Adebayor has the better technique, I think people mistake adebayors languid style for a lack of technique. Adeybayor is the best striker in the league and has been this year. Bith great players and both would be good for us its a shame, torres will regret his move to liverpool, he deserves better.
Torres is in a class of his own, the guy is immense.
So you're saying that arguing Torres is better in the air is not suggesting Adebayor is poor in the air?
Thats like saying Zidane is a better centre back than Carragher, but claiming that isnt suggesting Carragher is a poor centre back.
Thats like saying Zidane is a better centre back than Carragher, but claiming that isnt suggesting Carragher is a poor centre back.
It's nothing of the sort. That's a terrible analogy.
You claimed people said 'Adebayor can't head'. No-one on this thread said anything, even remotely, resembling it.
Your grasp of language is poor
Yes it does.
Most people would agree that one of Torres' worst attributes is his heading/aerial ability.
To suggest Torres is a better header than Adebayor implies Adebayor cant head (and, given that most people would agree that one of Adebayor's best attributes is his heading/aerial ability, it's also a rather ridiculous claim).
Instant Karma also brought up Adebayor's miss against Milan as some sort of "proof" that Adebayor is not good in the air.
Most people would agree that one of Torres' worst attributes is his heading/aerial ability.
To suggest Torres is a better header than Adebayor implies Adebayor cant head (and, given that most people would agree that one of Adebayor's best attributes is his heading/aerial ability, it's also a rather ridiculous claim).
Instant Karma also brought up Adebayor's miss against Milan as some sort of "proof" that Adebayor is not good in the air.
Why is this not already Rooney vs. Ronaldo thread? 
I don't see anything wrong with what I typed, although I've just woken up so perhaps I'm not concentrating perfectly, and I would bet my use of the English language is far superior to yours.
Should be a full stop.
Should be spelt Adebayor's instead of Adebayors.
That's wacist!
Genius.
Your sentence structure is incorrect as well.
While his heading ability may well be one of Torres' poorer attributes he is, by no stretch, a poor header of the ball. He is actually a good one.
Methinks you have seen little of Torres play, Rowem.
In comparison to Adebayor Torres is a poor header of the ball.
He is reasonable at best. Of course he's not completely "poor", he's a Premiership footballer. But judging by the standard of Premiership strikers, particularly those of his size, and in comparison to his other abilities, it's pretty fair to say that Torres is poor in the air and I assume most people would have quite clearly understood that.
Rowem, you are so far wide of the mark here.
Watch Torres play sometime would be my advice.
I'm sorry. Torres is brilliant in the air. It's his best attribute. He's in the Alan Shearer mould. He can outjump Peter Crouch. He's got a neck like a tree trunk.
My advice to you is to watch Adebayor. If you think that Torres is better in the air then you're off your fecking rocker.
Rowem, you said and I quote:
There is no mention of a comparison to Adebayor there. You are saying he is poor in the air when comparing him to other Prem strikers. That is laughable.
My advice remains; watch Torres play as you clearly have not done so often in the past.
I've mentioned throughout this thread that I believed Torres was poor in the air in comparison to Adebayor. You are the one that were determined to talk of Torres' heading ability in general, so I obliged. He is still fairly poor in the air in comparison to other Premiership strikers AND in comparison to his other abilites (a point that you have continued to ignore).
Anyway, if you're so determind:
Arsenal: Adebayor is far better in the air than Torres. So to Bendtner. Eduardo and van Persie are not. Eduardo is short, van Persie isn't an outright striker.
Villa: Carew is better in the air than Torres. Agbonlahor is reasonably good for his size, he's deceptively strong in the air and has scored a few headers this season too.
Blackburn: Santa Cruz is far superior to Torres in the air. McCarthy is decent, I would say he's roughly on par to Torres in that respect.
Bolton: Kevin Davies is far superior in the air to Torres.
Chelsea: Drogba is far superior in the air to Torres. Anelka is reasonable, I'd say he's on a par with Torres. Kalou is worse than Torres in the air, but hes not an outright striker.
Everton: Torres is superior in the air to Johnson, because Johnson is rather short. He is probably on a par to Yakubu in aerial ability.
United: Torres is superior in the air to Rooney and Tevez. However, neither are naturally outright strikers. Torres is inferior to Saha in aerial ability.
Cant be bothered to go through the rest, you get the picture.
The fact is that this thread is a Adebayor vs. Torres thread. Its safe to assume that most things in this thread will be said in respect to that question. Or, with regards to comparing the roles of leading strikers.
Anyway, if you're so determind:
Arsenal: Adebayor is far better in the air than Torres. So to Bendtner. Eduardo and van Persie are not. Eduardo is short, van Persie isn't an outright striker.
Villa: Carew is better in the air than Torres. Agbonlahor is reasonably good for his size, he's deceptively strong in the air and has scored a few headers this season too.
Blackburn: Santa Cruz is far superior to Torres in the air. McCarthy is decent, I would say he's roughly on par to Torres in that respect.
Bolton: Kevin Davies is far superior in the air to Torres.
Chelsea: Drogba is far superior in the air to Torres. Anelka is reasonable, I'd say he's on a par with Torres. Kalou is worse than Torres in the air, but hes not an outright striker.
Everton: Torres is superior in the air to Johnson, because Johnson is rather short. He is probably on a par to Yakubu in aerial ability.
United: Torres is superior in the air to Rooney and Tevez. However, neither are naturally outright strikers. Torres is inferior to Saha in aerial ability.
Cant be bothered to go through the rest, you get the picture.
The fact is that this thread is a Adebayor vs. Torres thread. Its safe to assume that most things in this thread will be said in respect to that question. Or, with regards to comparing the roles of leading strikers.
Torres is good in the air. Room for improvement is he is not in the Adebayor/Drogba class and you'd think he has the physique to approach that level, but he's a very good header of the ball.
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He's not just poor in the air though is he Rowem? He is also "poor at holding the ball up, and generally poor at linking up in general play"
I am getting less and less certain you actually know who Torres is.
Are you fecking blind?
Also, that quote was in response to someone saying that Adebayor and Torres were the same style of player, so there is even more reasoning to assume that ALL COMMENTS WERE IN RELATION TO TORRES VS. ADEBAYOR
Rowem said:
If this thread was "Rooney vs. Torres" or "Torres" then it'd be completely fecking different.
Not big and strong? Think you have him confused with this one:
Yeah you're right Im sorry.
Torres is huge. He makes Adebayor look like a dwarf.
Torres is huge. He makes Adebayor look like a dwarf.
You said. "Torres is not someone I would describe as big and strong. Certainly not in comparison with Adebayor."
That makes "Torres is not someone I would describe as big and strong." your basic premise, the comparison to Adebayor is a strengthening argument, not the basic premise.
No, the comparison to Adebayor is reinforcing the context of premise.
The context of the premise should already have been clear considering that this is a TORRES VS. ADEBAYOR thread, and it was a response to a comment claiming that Torres and Adebayor were OF THE SAME STYLE.
The context of the premise should already have been clear considering that this is a TORRES VS. ADEBAYOR thread, and it was a response to a comment claiming that Torres and Adebayor were OF THE SAME STYLE.
You have both also missed out two key points:
1. That I was talking about Torres' heading ability in regards to his other abilities. I wouldn't describe Ronaldo as being a similiar style player to Adebayor. Being strong and tall wouldnt be the first thing I describe him to be, even though he is, and he is very decent in the air. I would describe Torres as quick with a good touch and a great finisher first and foremost. I would describe Ronaldo as a quick, skillful winger first and foremost, I would describe Adebayor as a strong yet skillful targetman first and foremost.
2. That the context of this thread is generally aimed towards discussing the virtues of lead the line strikers. If I say Torres is poor in the air its pretty safe to assume Im talking in comparison to the likes of Adebayor, Drogba, Carew, etc, rather than in comparison to the likes of Johnson, van Persie or Tevez.
1. That I was talking about Torres' heading ability in regards to his other abilities. I wouldn't describe Ronaldo as being a similiar style player to Adebayor. Being strong and tall wouldnt be the first thing I describe him to be, even though he is, and he is very decent in the air. I would describe Torres as quick with a good touch and a great finisher first and foremost. I would describe Ronaldo as a quick, skillful winger first and foremost, I would describe Adebayor as a strong yet skillful targetman first and foremost.
2. That the context of this thread is generally aimed towards discussing the virtues of lead the line strikers. If I say Torres is poor in the air its pretty safe to assume Im talking in comparison to the likes of Adebayor, Drogba, Carew, etc, rather than in comparison to the likes of Johnson, van Persie or Tevez.
Rowem, why don't you just admit that you haven't a scooby what you are on about. It would make things an awful lot easier to understand. Either that, or you're on a wind-up.
Wtf are you on about?
Here is what I've said in a nutshell:
- Torres is smaller, less strong, and less good in the air than Adebayor.
- Torres has good pace, good control/first touch and a good finish. Those are his main abilities.
- His aerial prowess is nothing to rave about, compared to his before mentioned attributes, and in comparison to other leading strikers in the Premiership, in particular Adebayor.
If you think that any of those statements are incorrect then you're either fecking blind or retarded.
Don't forget you also said he was poor at holding the ball up and was poor at linking up play (an absurd notion even if you are comparing him with Adebayor).
It was then we decided you have no idea who Torres actually is.