Quite clearly is. He was superb at the start of the season when Saha was fully fit, he was superb when Larsson was at the club, and he was superb playing with RvN.
But I guess thats all just a coincidence?
Adebayor or Torres, who is better?
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Quite clearly is. He was superb at the start of the season when Saha was fully fit, he was superb when Larsson was at the club, and he was superb playing with RvN.
But I guess thats all just a coincidence?
Ahhh, the mercurial Rooney_______10. Glad to see your'e still talking wet.
How does Torres compare to your bum buddy Saha?
Don't be a spastic, Saha is a top tier striker when he's fit. The fact he's fit about once every World Cup is a different story, but doesn't undermine his talent and quality.
Talent and quality is worth nothing if you're not on the pitch.
He was also superb from about November through to January of this season.
Sybil Fawlty, subject, the bleedin obvious.
I didnt dismiss it. I claimed that it isnt an example of aerial prowess. Likewise, Adebayor's miss isnt an example of his aerial prowess either. Get it?
Even if Arsenal have more possesion, that doesnt explain why he has almost twice as many passes. Do Liverpool only have 40% possession in their games and Arsenal 80%? No, Liverpool generally have over 50% and Arsenal will too, but it wont be much higher than 65% or so.
Mate, the fact that his finishing has been erratic (not to say shite) has nothing to do with where he's played.
His first touch and shots from distance, in most times, have been Conference Football quality. That has nothing to do with his position either.
While it's true that he's better at playing as a withdrawn striker, it's far from being the sole reason for his displays.
FFS...when you will ever understand ?
FACTS -
1. Rooney is not a striker
2. He contributes a lot to the team than goals. Its unfair to expect a forward to score regularly from one on one chances
3. He has been played out of position. If he was a second striker, he will score one on one's instead of missing them
4. He has been injured, so its fine to spurn chances
5. The FA are against him - he was suspended for a pre season red card and he lost his form
6. He missed a match because Fergie rested him and lost his form
7. He is a class act. Attempting chips and missing 5 chances shows more technical ability than just placing them into the net.
8. Who is called the White Pele ?
9. He scored a wonder goal against Newcastle...that one is better than scoring 20 silly goals like Torres or Adebeyor
10. He is the best player in the England squad..that makes him better than anyone else in the world.
Ahhh, the mercurial Rooney_______10. Glad to see your'e still talking wet
How does Torres compare to your bum buddy Saha?
Going on the form of saha when he wasnt injured last year saha was better. Anyway id rather compare teams then players. Oh yeah wasnt it you who created and prempted a thread about liverpool lifting the league along with your sidekick demapples.
"this is our year" wasnt that after the mesmeric display against derby. Oh well its march and your still here, do you still think you can win it?
Adebayor is the better target man, Torres has a little more class. Both will score a lot of goals.
He didnt score in November in the league. His only league game in November was Arsenal, in which he was meh. December in the league he scored one goal...against Sunderland. We played Fulham, Derby and Everton at home, none of which he shone in, and Liverpool away where he set up the goal inadvertently but missed a sitter. In January he had a good game against Newcastle but so did all of our players, and he scored a great goal against Reading, but other than that I wouldnt say he was superb. Villa in the Cup he was great as a sub, although I seem to remember Ronaldo was playing upfront by then and Rooney was dropping deeper.
He was brilliant in October. I think that coincided with him scoring a couple goals for England (playing behind Owen). Must have done wonders for his confidence.
Confidence. Not playing his natural game. Its the cause behind all of his problems imo.
Rooney has been for the most of it unlucky, has been hit with awful injuries at key stages in his season. I think hes done well this season and looked unstopable until he got injured, I still feel he'll find that form again before the season finishes.
I cant really see a key thing suggesting why his performances have been in and out over the past year unless you believe leading the line hinders his performances and I have watched tevez and rooney a fair few times and they do switch rooney doesnt lead the line always.
I cant really see a key thing suggesting why his performances have been in and out over the past year unless you believe leading the line hinders his performances and I have watched tevez and rooney a fair few times and they do switch rooney doesnt lead the line always.
Is that you in the photo?
Woooossshhhhhhhh
fecking hell, I just got it. I need to start reading people's posts completely before responding
You fecking cnut, made me type three sentences before I realized.
You couldn't put it better really, at least someone with a brain in here. You also forgot to mention that he's better and more important to us than Ronaldo. Plus, we cannot win without him. And it's fine when he picks up stupid bookings.
Yeah, whatever.
You generally and constantly say the wrong things. It doesn't come as a surprise.
Thats something I partly agree with. If you took Rooney and Ronaldo out of our side, we will struggle to win against midtable sides. One or both of them are involved in almost every chance that we create and score.
Both of them had average games against Pompey but all the best chances were created by them. Nani put one good cross in and Evra was involved in a couple of moves.
Torres is better
Adebayor has the better chant though from rival fans.
Adebayor has the better chant though from rival fans.
You're partly right, but a lot of it has to do with us lacking a competent replacement for Wayne. Ronaldo cannot be replaced because there's no one out there who can give us what he does. The best players cannot be replaced, and Ronaldo fits that criteria.
You cant replace Rooney or Ronaldo. Tevez is a darn good player but even he doesnt come close to doing it. The problem is not just when they are missing, even when they are playing, the burden to both create and score lies on them. Last season they scored 46 goals and had 40+ assists between them for the 100 odd goals scored in all competitions. If ever a league winning side was more dependent on two players, I cant remember it.
Stupid, coming from a person saying we cannot win without rooney.
torres is twice the player adebayour is he seems to remind me of henry in his early years
Without Rooney, our strikers are :
Tevez.
Because Saha is always injured.
So he's pretty much right. We'd find it very difficult to win without Rooney as he's one of our only 2 sometimes-fit strikers.
Adebayor obviously! Rio Ferdinand rated him highly, he said that adebayor is hardest player he has come up against. Look at how ferdinand kept torres quit in the last game. Adebayor caused our defence mayhem, Just have a look at the first goal fabregas scored against us at the emiretes this season.
If you saw Adbeyaor against Milan, He was immense. He breezed past nesta and oddo and not with just speed but with strength which doesn't happen often against the milan defence, especially against nesta!
He offers height, speed, strenght and can play well while also holding the ball up. What more do you want from a striker? Torres has been barged of the ball so many times this season, I have yet to see adebayor barged of the ball. He's possible as strong as drogba!
If you saw Adbeyaor against Milan, He was immense. He breezed past nesta and oddo and not with just speed but with strength which doesn't happen often against the milan defence, especially against nesta!
He offers height, speed, strenght and can play well while also holding the ball up. What more do you want from a striker? Torres has been barged of the ball so many times this season, I have yet to see adebayor barged of the ball. He's possible as strong as drogba!
to be fair to torres he might as well have been playing on his own up front with a 4 man midfield because there is no way kuyt counts as a player, hes more of an obstruction
Yeah I saw that, didn't Rio say that he was the hardest striker he played againt last season ?
I think Wes agreed with him also.
By the way, we once tried to buy Adebayor off Arsenal.
A period of just a few games, which COINCIDENTLY coincided with him playing upfront for England with Michael Owen leading the line and Rooney playing in his more natural position.
Can you name any prolonged period of games where Rooney has played superbly as the leading striker? I doubt it.
......And if you see he's performances against us, you can see why they said that!
We still can win without rooney. The game was won before he came on against fulham. End of story.
Yeah very good player indeed.
I was at both the Reading vs Liverpool (The CC cup where Torres scored 3) and Reading vs Arsenal matches. And I have to be honest, as good as Torres was (and that was pretty damn good!), I was more impressed by Adebayor.
I prefer Adebayor.
Quelle surprise!
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I think where Torres stands out in comparison to other strikers in the league is how many of those goals he made for himself from nothing or very little.
Also, Torres is fit.
Gerrard agrees