How far away from Ashdod are you?
Scores die in Israeli air strikes
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How far away from Ashdod are you?
Also known as ethnic cleansing
I'd say about 20 kilometers, but the missiles have already passed Ashdod and reached a city which is maybe four or five kilometers away. So far, though, the local army authorities have chosen not to prepare the citizens in my city for any attacks. Obviously the army doesn't currently believe Hamas has longer range missiles.
So you're suggesting both sets of civilians deserve this carnage?
I'm suggesting that the people are, if I can use the phrase, ignorantly complicit in all this. So long as they either actively buy into or meekly accept the religeo-political animus of those whom they tolerate as their representatives, their travails will endure.
Sadly, all human societies are guilty of being misled some of the time. Those which either embody a tradition of unquestioning respect for their leaders, or which readily espouse certain religeous dogma invoked to perpetuate the 'us and them' mindset by those leaders, will come very close to disproving old Abe Lincoln's oft-quoted wisdom on this matter.
Kinda contradicted yourself there. Solid.
Not at all. Syria know we attacked because they were doing something that was a threat to us. I never said we sit around going nothing - but we don't attack for the sake of it, only if there's a risk to our security. I'll say it again: If Israel isn't attacked, if Israel isn't provoked, if Israel is not at risk, Israel does not strike. Israel was at risk.
New Kassam rocket attacks at Kiryat Malachi this morning..
I really don't think you can blame the population for this. What do you expect people to do in this situation though? Especially when there's such a vicious cycle of violence already set in.
Did Dubya come up with this shit? Because it's dead stupid.
No way. They haven't bothered to try other means for a sustained period of time.
Benni Elon a right-wing Jewish extremist. He's religious too, which means he ticks all the boxes for a fundamentalist who thrives on contiuous bloodshed on the way to achieve god's will.
It's mad men of that ilk, on either side, that make the bitter conflict never end. Nothing he proposed is a step towards peace. Just more woe. Sometimes I wish we could light a bon fire and burn the fecking lot.
just read the harrowing story of the 5 sisters that died from Israeli rockets landing on their house.
Don't blame Israel completely but feel bad for the innocents who got caught in the crossfire. Attempted murder is equivalent to a murder, less casualities for Israel due to good luck and their intelligence more than anything else, cannot simply justify the rocket and mortar attacks of Hamas.
I dont think there is any doubt about who killed the young boy on that day.
Im afraid not everyone in Israel agrees with you.
http://comment.independent.co.uk/com...cle1197235.ece
Oren Ben-Dor: Who are the real terrorists in the Middle East?
What exactly is being defended? Is it the citizens of Israel or the nature of the Israeli state?
Published: 26 July 2006
As its citizens are being killed, Israel is, yet again, inflicting death and destruction on Lebanon. It tries to portray this horror as necessary for its self-defence. Indeed, the casual observer might regard the rocket attacks on Israeli cities such as Haifa and my own home town, Nahariya, as justifying this claim.
While states should defend their citizens, states which fail this duty should be questioned and, if necessary, reconfigured. Israel is a state which, instead of defending its citizens, puts all of them, Jews as well as non-Jews, in danger.
What exactly is being defended by the violence in Gaza and Lebanon? Is it the citizens of Israel or the nature of the Israeli state? I suggest the latter. Israel's statehood is based on an unjust ideology which causes indignity and suffering for those who are classified as non-Jewish by either a religious or ethnic test. To hide this primordial immorality, Israel fosters an image of victimhood. Provoking violence, consciously or unconsciously, against which one must defend oneself is a key feature of the victim-mentality. By perpetuating such a tragic cycle, Israel is a terrorist state like no other.
Many who wish to hide the immorality of the Israeli state do so by restricting attention to the horrors of the post-1967 occupation and talking about a two-state solution, since endorsing a Palestinian state implicitly endorses the ideology behind a Jewish one.
The very creation of Israel required an act of terror. In 1948, most of the non-Jewish indigenous people were ethnically cleansed from the part of Palestine which became Israel. This action was carefully planned. Without it, no state with a Jewish majority and character would have been possible. Since 1948, the "Israeli Arabs", those Palestinians who avoided expulsion, have suffered continuous discrimination. Indeed, many have been internally displaced, ostensibly for "security reasons", but really to acquire their lands for Jews.
Surely Holocaust memory and Jewish longing for Eretz Israel would not be sufficient to justify ethnic cleansing and ethnocracy? To avoid the destabilisation that would result from ethical inquiry, the Israeli state must hide the core problem, by nourishing a victim mentality among Israeli Jews.
To sustain that mentality and to preserve an impression of victimhood among outsiders, Israel must breed conditions for violence. Whenever prospects of violence against it subside, Israel must do its utmost to regenerate them: the myth that it is a peace-seeking victim which has "no partner for peace" is a key panel in the screen with which Israel hides its primordial and continuing immorality.
Israel's successful campaign to silence criticism of its initial and continuing dispossession of the indigenous Palestinians leaves the latter no option but to resort to violent resistance. In the wake of electing Hamas - the only party which, in the eyes of Palestinians, has not yet given up their cause - the Palestinian population of Gaza and the West Bank were subjected to an Israeli campaign of starvation, humiliation and violence.
The insincere "withdrawal" from Gaza, and the subsequent blockade, ensured a chronicle of violence which, so far, includes Palestinian firing of Kasem rockets, the capture of an Israeli soldier and the Israeli near re-occupation of Gaza. What we witness is more hatred, more violence from Palestinians, more humiliation and collective punishments from Israelis - all useful reinforcement for the Israeli victim mentality and for the sacred cow status of Israeli statehood.
The truth is that there never could have been a partition of Palestine by ethically acceptable means. Israel was created through terror and it needs terror to cover-up its core immorality. Whenever there is a glimmer of stability, the state orders a targeted assassination, such as that in Sidon which preceded the current Lebanon crisis, knowing well that this brings not security but more violence. Israel's unilateralism and the cycle of violence nourish one another.
Amidst the violence and despite the conventional discourse which hides the root of this violence, actuality calls upon us to think. The more we silence its voice, the more violently actuality is sure to speak.
In Hebrew, the word elem (a stunned silence resulting from oppression or shock) is etymologically linked to the word almut (violence). Silence about the immoral core of Israeli statehood makes us all complicit in breeding the terrorism that threatens a catastrophe which could tear the world apart.
okbendor@ yahoo.com
The writer teaches the philosophy of law and political philosophy at University of Southampton
http://comment.independent.co.uk/com...cle1197235.ece
What exactly is being defended? Is it the citizens of Israel or the nature of the Israeli state?
Published: 26 July 2006
As its citizens are being killed, Israel is, yet again, inflicting death and destruction on Lebanon. It tries to portray this horror as necessary for its self-defence. Indeed, the casual observer might regard the rocket attacks on Israeli cities such as Haifa and my own home town, Nahariya, as justifying this claim.
While states should defend their citizens, states which fail this duty should be questioned and, if necessary, reconfigured. Israel is a state which, instead of defending its citizens, puts all of them, Jews as well as non-Jews, in danger.
What exactly is being defended by the violence in Gaza and Lebanon? Is it the citizens of Israel or the nature of the Israeli state? I suggest the latter. Israel's statehood is based on an unjust ideology which causes indignity and suffering for those who are classified as non-Jewish by either a religious or ethnic test. To hide this primordial immorality, Israel fosters an image of victimhood. Provoking violence, consciously or unconsciously, against which one must defend oneself is a key feature of the victim-mentality. By perpetuating such a tragic cycle, Israel is a terrorist state like no other.
Many who wish to hide the immorality of the Israeli state do so by restricting attention to the horrors of the post-1967 occupation and talking about a two-state solution, since endorsing a Palestinian state implicitly endorses the ideology behind a Jewish one.
The very creation of Israel required an act of terror. In 1948, most of the non-Jewish indigenous people were ethnically cleansed from the part of Palestine which became Israel. This action was carefully planned. Without it, no state with a Jewish majority and character would have been possible. Since 1948, the "Israeli Arabs", those Palestinians who avoided expulsion, have suffered continuous discrimination. Indeed, many have been internally displaced, ostensibly for "security reasons", but really to acquire their lands for Jews.
Surely Holocaust memory and Jewish longing for Eretz Israel would not be sufficient to justify ethnic cleansing and ethnocracy? To avoid the destabilisation that would result from ethical inquiry, the Israeli state must hide the core problem, by nourishing a victim mentality among Israeli Jews.
To sustain that mentality and to preserve an impression of victimhood among outsiders, Israel must breed conditions for violence. Whenever prospects of violence against it subside, Israel must do its utmost to regenerate them: the myth that it is a peace-seeking victim which has "no partner for peace" is a key panel in the screen with which Israel hides its primordial and continuing immorality.
Israel's successful campaign to silence criticism of its initial and continuing dispossession of the indigenous Palestinians leaves the latter no option but to resort to violent resistance. In the wake of electing Hamas - the only party which, in the eyes of Palestinians, has not yet given up their cause - the Palestinian population of Gaza and the West Bank were subjected to an Israeli campaign of starvation, humiliation and violence.
The insincere "withdrawal" from Gaza, and the subsequent blockade, ensured a chronicle of violence which, so far, includes Palestinian firing of Kasem rockets, the capture of an Israeli soldier and the Israeli near re-occupation of Gaza. What we witness is more hatred, more violence from Palestinians, more humiliation and collective punishments from Israelis - all useful reinforcement for the Israeli victim mentality and for the sacred cow status of Israeli statehood.
The truth is that there never could have been a partition of Palestine by ethically acceptable means. Israel was created through terror and it needs terror to cover-up its core immorality. Whenever there is a glimmer of stability, the state orders a targeted assassination, such as that in Sidon which preceded the current Lebanon crisis, knowing well that this brings not security but more violence. Israel's unilateralism and the cycle of violence nourish one another.
Amidst the violence and despite the conventional discourse which hides the root of this violence, actuality calls upon us to think. The more we silence its voice, the more violently actuality is sure to speak.
In Hebrew, the word elem (a stunned silence resulting from oppression or shock) is etymologically linked to the word almut (violence). Silence about the immoral core of Israeli statehood makes us all complicit in breeding the terrorism that threatens a catastrophe which could tear the world apart.
okbendor@ yahoo.com
The writer teaches the philosophy of law and political philosophy at University of Southampton
http://comment.independent.co.uk/com...cle1197235.ece
ffs
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now I understand a little why my country´s citizens are displaying more and more contempt for the rule of law.
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now I understand a little why my country´s citizens are displaying more and more contempt for the rule of law.
Great rebuttal.
There is definitely something immoral and unjust about defining a nation based on race or religion. And that is largely what Israel is.
I'm afraid you'll have to get used to it.
I hope that when Barack comes into power, that he has it in him to tell the Israelis to feck off with their terrorism.
We know Dubya is the chief terrorist, he would never say or do anything..
Also...the Israeli defence minister (I think), what a sour cow she is. Kind of woman who seems like she has been pissed off her whole life.
We know Dubya is the chief terrorist, he would never say or do anything..
Also...the Israeli defence minister (I think), what a sour cow she is. Kind of woman who seems like she has been pissed off her whole life.
Many Anti-Zionists will tell you that ironically, Israel is the closest thing to Nazi Germany the world has seen since its fall. That may be putting it a tad extreme, but it's clear that Israel's immigration policies are very much racist. Come to think of it, I can't think of a single country in the UN besides Israel who operate an openly racist immigration policy.
Israel aint alone there. Nepal for instance is an Hindu nation,there are host of Buddhist nations and all Muslim nations propogate their religion as their front end. This madness would stop only if another ruthless genocide encapsulates it...either another holocaust happens with Jews removed as a whole or Arabs getting wiped out from the face of earth. Its basically a war between Islam and Judiasm, not restricted to a tiny strip of land, dont see two mutually exclusive thing being concomitant in the future.
Try harder then.
Care to tell me?
When President-elect Barack Obama visited Israel in July — to the very town, in fact, whose repeated shelling culminated in this weekend’s new fighting in Gaza — he all but endorsed the punishing Israeli attacks now unfolding.
“If somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I’m going to everything in my power to stop that,” he told reporters in Sderot, a small city on the edge of Gaza that has been attacked repeatedly by rocket fire. “And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing.”
No. Becuase you're not Jewish.
might just be campaign talk. we'll have to see how he does once in office.
Without doubt THE most intelligent post on thread. You could throw Christianity in their too.
Let the bullshit rebuffs commence.
and Saudi, and Iran, and......
Don't hold your breadth.
The fact he's of Muslim origin means he'll have to over-compensate too.
So you're arguements fecked.
....what it you call someone who only picks on______________?
muslim origin? his dad left when he was 2 yrs old.
Excuse me? Why do you have to resort to personal insults at the very hint of a criticism of Israel? Do I have to qualify every one of my posts with "oh but others make the same mistakes"?
I wasn't trying to insinuate Israel is the only nation defined by race or religion; it is one of many. That doesn't excuse it in my mind though. Integration of people of various different ethnic backgrounds and religions is the only long solution. Ultimately, segregation fails. It can be a short term fix though I guess.
origin.
Well, yes. This is a thread specifically about Israel.
So had we had a thread about the Falklands war I'd r take it that you'd bring up the fact that England has a minor theocratic aspect???