Certainly a fantastic player to look at three years down the line.
But currently he aint that good.
But currently he aint that good.
Alves, Maicon, Zambrotta, Zanetti.. I only count four, and next comes Ramos? - imo if you're in the top 5 in your respected position then you're amongst the best in the world.
If you try bringing in other left backs in to the equation, counting them as fullbacks, Ramos goes further down the pecking order.
Which is hence pretty good considering how young he is. Hes a quality player IMO. Being part of Real Madrid naturally adds that bit of spasticity defensively but hes got all the tools and is a threat in the air as well.
He would certainly get in to our team though
Hes better than Maicon.
Roberto Carlos is the msot overated player of all time. I still can see his trademarks: being beaten by his man then punting a free kick into Row Z. Lizarazu was what I call a full back.
Sagna's better than Ramos.
Zanetti doesn't even play right back anymore. Alves is pretty much a midfielder playing at full back. Ramos is amongst the best in the world at right back.
Barca playing upfront doesnt mean Alves is a midfielder. Zanetti even at 35 still has pace and render any winger ineffective, whenever played there last season was a better full back than Ramos.
For the start Ramos was a disaster as a CB, and then they pushed him on the right to compensate that. A good attacking threat but rubbish defensively and bit wank in reading the game. With the days of Thuram, Zanetti, Cafu have all gone by the quality of right back in Europe look bit shite at the moment shouldn't necessarily mean Ramos being the best in the business.
That's an odd way of looking at it.
That'd mean in terms of left backs you'd have Evra, Clichy, Cole, Abidal and then someone completely out of their league, but he'd still be called one of the best in the world by your description.
Doesn't really work that way.
Neville's better than Ramos.
Not true, he actually forged a good partnership with Helguera for a period of time.
Alves was the same at Sevilla, he was dominating the right flank, all his qualities are going forward and he's quite combative too, he's a midfielder playing at right back imo. Zanetti's probably the best right back I've seen but he doesn't even play right back anymore so it's unfair to compare him here. It's like comparing Giggs with other left wingers right now despite him playing in CM. I'm not saying Ramos is the best right back but he's very good and certainly amongst the best in the world which you say he isn't...
Dont think he was any where good in 2005/06. When they bought him for than £20 million and played him as a CB, he got stoned from every where and only when they moved him on the right he was decent. After their freakish league triumph in 06/07 Marca hyped him as they had no one else to glorify and he's yet to get out of the hangover, still an overrated footballer.
for the reason the quality of right backs at the moment looks poor at the moment. Cannot imagine any one bother rating Ramos had he broken few years earlier when the the likes of Thuram, Zanetti or Cafu were around.
Yes, so good that one got sold the next season and the other switched to RB to not be benched.
this is the most blatant WUM attempt for this year
You can say that about other positions too, plus like you said he'll probably be a lot better in a few years too. You're comparing him to these players whose careers have already come and gone apart from Zanetti who is still playing at 35.
My Zanetti argument was all about, even if he plays as a right back against us next match he can do a lot more than Ramos.
Ramos
One of the best right backs at the moment- Yes, the one of the best is always relative
Should develop in to teriffic player...most probably yes
Whether he's a top class right back...No
If you look at it that way I'd say he would do better than any other right back, even his own team mate Maicon.
Oh, but but but he can get forward and but he can score some goals and is a RB so that must mean he's awesomeeeeee.
Yes, very much so.
And when Sagna learns how to cross accurately he'll be infinitely better.
They brought in Cannavaro because he was available on the cheap.
Not because Helguera wasn't good enough.
I'm really glad to see that I wasn't the only one who thought he wasn't as good as the media/hype/friends made him to be.
Gotta love the caf
Gotta love the caf
Awful defender. Just because you can do step overs doesn't mean you're a world class full back.
Great cross for the first goal though.
Does it really matter? He is a defender first and foremost and I've seen better defenders playing for the Indian football team.
Might be exaggerating a bit, but his defending is not premier league level
Might be exaggerating a bit, but his defending is not premier league level
*Sigh*
What's with this obsession with hyperbole these days.
What's with this obsession with hyperbole these days.
1 goal and 1 assist for an awful Madrid team and that's from a fullback position. He's clearly not shit, yes he's been at fault for some of the goals but he also made up for it at the other end.
He didn't though, he cost them 3 goals v contributed an assist + goal. It's the story of the modern trend for attacking fullbacks in a nutshell - they always cost more than they deliver.
That is a harsh generalisation. The top class modern full backs have a decent balance between attacking and defending, Evra, Cole and Clichy can defend and attack very well.
I thought it was a pretty standard piece of play, He didnt really cross the ball as such, he just stood the ball up for Higuain who was basically unmarked.
I've said it all along, he's always been a shit and overrated RB.Sure he's got a great leap and a good heading ability, he can dribble and all but in terms of pure defensive performance he's just shit.
Gay face too
Gay face too
He's not fit to lace his boots
He's a horrible cnut. His face reminds me of Torres ugly mug for some reason.
He's a bad defender, not sure how he manages to be named as one of the best right backs in the world.
Scholesy reckons he's better than Maicon though
You are kidding right? Although i don't really rate Maicon's defensive work he's a good few levels above Ramos.