No, it wasn't about who was the better striker, it was about who would have made the better signing at that time, assuming that both were available for the same price and same wages, and taking all factors into consideration - age, ability, form, injury record, attitude etc.
Berbatov or Henry?
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Henry for this season for me. Greatest striker to have ever graced the prem, shame he never played for us.
Which means that Berbatov was the answer to your original question.
He lives! A draw at home to United is all it took for him to resurface? Hello Glaston...
Hello afro ...
Fair play to ya being a man of conviction, Glaston.
You're still crazy, mind, but certainly one to stand up and be counted.
I don't think Berbatov was much of anything special at Spurs, certainly not to ever be compared to Henry, and most definitely not worth anything close to £30m - one season of injury does not 'unbody' almost a decade of work for Henry, either.
Berbatov has a great touch and very silky skills, but his output, at the highest levels and against the best opponents, is not very good.
Settling in issues aside, his output won't match Henry's, I don't think, and that's what will make Henry a better choice before anything else is factored in.
You're kind of missing the point, then, in terms of when the question was asked. Henry's "output" was shit last season and he's only starting contributing to his new club in his second season*. Hence, his "output" has been inferior to Barbatov's, overall, since this thread was started.
*Which happens all the time, to be fair, if only the 'tards on here would realise this and cut Berbatov some slack.
Hasn't he scored against all of the top 4 whilst at Spurs and got a few important champions league goals in his time at Leverkusen
People on here do my fecking head in with regards to new signings, when will people realise players need time at a new club before writing them off ffs?
The question was loaded in the first place. Henry was fecked the season before with sciatica, and that's the only reason it got off the ground in the first place because otherwise it's a non-contest between the two.
Henry had the feck around by Rijkaard last season, Guardiola actually uses him, which does make a difference.
Are you going to hold that against him in terms of output, because I don't.
You're comparing him to Henry... that's the important thing. Is his output very good compared to Henry or that calibre of player?Hasn't he scored against all of the top 4 whilst at Spurs and got a few important champions league goals in his time at Leverkusen
At their prime I'd take Henry rather than Berbatov every single day, the guy was unplayable at times for Arsenal.They're not in the same category
Am I right in thinking that his second season at Spurs may aswell have been at a different club with all the transfers and management changes?
Play Henry up top and give him the ball with no support and he will make something happen. Play Berbatov up top and give him the ball with no support and he will whinge and complain. I thought Berba was going to be a good signing for you guys but he works better in a team centerd around him and not someone else. That said its still his first 6 months in a new system. Towards the end of the season is the most realistic opportunity to see if he is going to work. For 30 million you would expect a striker that can hit the ground running. Much better options out there for 30 million that would take just as long to adapt as he is.
Martin Jol was manager for both of his two full seasons at Spurs.
In terms of player comings and goings in the summer before Berbatov's 2nd season at Spurs: the main arrivals were Bent and Bale (with Woodgate and Hutton arriving the following January) and the main departures were Mido and Murphy (with Defoe leaving the following January).
So overall there weren't too many changes.
I guess I must have imagined Henry's last two seasons at Arsenal.
What? The 27-league goals season included.
Yeah, couple of seasons was an exaggeration.
But it's incorrect to claim that Berbatov whinges and complains when his team-mates are letting him down but Henry does not. IIRC, you gooners claimed that the removal of Henry's "negative influence" gave a new lease of life to your team.
But it's incorrect to claim that Berbatov whinges and complains when his team-mates are letting him down but Henry does not. IIRC, you gooners claimed that the removal of Henry's "negative influence" gave a new lease of life to your team.
I certainly don't remember Henry complaining about his teammates letting him down. Where does the 'negative influence' bit come from? Have you simply invented that or is it a specific quote? Sounds like bollocks to me...
Exactly, just look at Anelka for Chelsea.
Erm... Have you been living under a rock these last few years?
No. Teams often perform better after established star players move on. Liverpool did very well following Owen's departure, our play improved after RvN left, and Arsenal experienced the same when Henry left.Erm... Have you been living under a rock these last few years?
Saying that he was complaining about his teammates and inventing quotes about him becoming a 'negative influence' is something totally different, which is why I asked you to explain it.
Ah, ok, fair enough.
In his final season at Arsenal, his body language was very negative and he frequently chastised his team-mates on the pitch. After he left, several Arsenal players (and pretty much all of their fans) talked about how he had been a negative influence on how they played the game and how they were playing with more joy and freedom without him and playing better football as a result.
Of course, they've won feck all since. So there's a distinct possibility they were talking out their arses
we performed worse in the league the season after he left. Only after Torres' arrival has that gap really been filled.
You won the Champion's League in your 1st season without Owen.
With their front line barely working, bad example, they made it up elsewhere but their attack was extremely poor.
Can't help but bump this thread.
Glaston, do you still maintain your stance about this?
Glaston, do you still maintain your stance about this?
It was never a debate
The difference between the two is staggering at the moment. Henry's been excellent today.
Henry by far... don't be stupid...
Henry.
there was a thread on here...maybe it is now merged with this, where people were going on about how berba is just as good, if not better than bergkamp.
what the feck where you lot who were thinking that smoking?
what the feck where you lot who were thinking that smoking?
Nah, I searched for Bergkamp in this thread and his name didn't come up once.
Shocking that is though, Bergkamp was on another level to Berbatov.
Thing is Berbatov could be as good as Bergkamp....he has the ability but mentally he's nowhere near being good enough.
Attitude stinks, and it needs to be sorted if he]s to fulfil his potential
Attitude stinks, and it needs to be sorted if he]s to fulfil his potential
Nah, he doesn't.
At Ten million he'd have been a bargain, fifteen to eighteen, about the right price, thirty million, way, way over the top. And yes i am being wise after the event.
at this Bergkamp comparisonI thought we settled this one aeons ago. Berbatov will never be better than Henry's nonexistent left peg.
Bergkamp's goal scoring record is shockingly poor though. If Berba was to pull same numbers for us he would get slated all day long.
What are you basing that on?