Dimitar 'Jason Roberts' Berbatov
Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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I think Jason Roberts could have fumbled atleast one in the net
Its amazing how all these "supporters" of Berbatov are coming out with the same recycled bullshit
I have defended Berbatov since the beginning but this is the final straw
Do people think they'll accomplish anything by spouting this bullshit? Oh great you gave up on someone, well done to you ya fecking tard!! Doubt half of them have even defended him when people have criticised the man. Probably just saying it to make it seem as if he's doing so terrible.
I have defended Berbatov since the beginning but this is the final straw
Do people think they'll accomplish anything by spouting this bullshit? Oh great you gave up on someone, well done to you ya fecking tard!! Doubt half of them have even defended him when people have criticised the man. Probably just saying it to make it seem as if he's doing so terrible.
They arent making him seem like hes doing Terrible..
HE IS TERRIBLE...
No thats not fair.. Hes worse than that. He's fecking wank...
How anyone can even contemplate suggesting he's been a success or even a worthwhile addition to the squad is beyond me..
Time to cut our losses and get shot..
See youre part of the problem. You're not the manager so you don't decide who to let go.
In the pub watching the match yesterday, and in the corner was this tub of lard, squeezed into a United jersey two sizes too small, with 11 Legend on the back(yes Giggs is a legend, but what person wears something like that in public) and he's loudly declaring Berba a failure. pissed me off to no end, wanted to walk over and slap him. He was the definition if a glory hunter with his jersey and his bullshit comments.
Berba has a confidence issue, next season you watch. He'll do great. I'll bet anybody here he'll be an improvement
So anyone who thinks Berbatov is wank, is a glory hunter...
OK.....
Well i think he's wank...
Am I a glory hunter too ?
And with all due respect, but I would have to assume he would improve, because if his last 5-6 games are anything to go by, he cant get much fecking worse...
If the look on Fergies face today, and hte press reports are anything to go by, Fergie seems to agree with me..
Leaves you slightly stuck on a limb really doesnt it...
I didn't say Berba bashers were glory hunters, this particular one was though. It is true though that even when he's playing well in the build up, glory hunters diss him cuz they expect a Ruud amount of goals.
And just because Sir Alex didn't look delighted with Berbatov doesn't mean he's given up on him. When someones going through a rough patch it's hard to not be disappointed. Doesn't mean he should be dumped though
But how long do you allow a "rough patch" to go on for.
Fergie is well known for his support of his players in public, but in private once you upset him then you are fecked.
When the papers are all reporting that Fergie has reached the end of his tether, then I think you have to begin to believe that there are doubts in Fergies mind.
Even Berbatov himself has admitted he hasnt done himself justice since he's been at United. For him to say that, shows he knows he isnt cutting the grade, and that if he doesnt improve he's gone..
I personally dont see anything about his play to suggest he's going to improve anything like what we need him to.
If he cant improve then its time to ship up and ship out...
We cant afford to carry people now. Either you make the grade or your gone, and as he's not making the grade, I think now is the best time to cut our losses and get rid... We've got Macheda who is chomping to get a bit of first team action.. WHy not give him a try.
So you're going to believe what the tabloids write? I've read feck all regarding Berba anyway(granted I only read and trust ESPN Soccernet and SkySports.com)
I can't see Berba being sold. He's got more to offer, we all know this to be true. I hope he gets another season. If he fails then even I will admit he should go. Until then I'm convinced he should stay.
Besides, Macheda hasn't done much to prove he'd be an improvement on Berba honestly. He's had his cameos here and there. But to have him as second choice? Not experienced enough yet, Wenger wouldn't do something like that
I can't see Berba being sold. He's got more to offer, we all know this to be true. I hope he gets another season. If he fails then even I will admit he should go. Until then I'm convinced he should stay.
Besides, Macheda hasn't done much to prove he'd be an improvement on Berba honestly. He's had his cameos here and there. But to have him as second choice? Not experienced enough yet, Wenger wouldn't do something like that
Its nice to remain optimistic about our expensive striker, but even someone like myself who was clamouring for his signing is beginning to throw in the towel.
His negative body language on the pitch whenever someone like Nani or Valencia fail to deliver the ball to him exactly where he wants it, rather than fighting tooth and nail to make the best of it is rather unsettling.
I feel that for the sake of our team morale, his replacement should have been identified and we cut our losses on him.
This thread should be renamed: I AM JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Yesterday was frustrating because he is good enough technically to put away those chances. He's a bit hit or miss with his finishing.
It's up to the manager to find the right role for Berbatov. If he decides that that there isn't one for him in the current squad, then it's time to move him on. Fans like us can have our theories, but we just have to cross our fingers and hope that Ferguson can solve the conundrum. Regardless of what he says in public, I'd imagine that he is also disappointed by how Berbatov has played.
A striker has to be adaptable, depending on whether or not Rooney is playing, and Berbatov really isn't.
It's up to the manager to find the right role for Berbatov. If he decides that that there isn't one for him in the current squad, then it's time to move him on. Fans like us can have our theories, but we just have to cross our fingers and hope that Ferguson can solve the conundrum. Regardless of what he says in public, I'd imagine that he is also disappointed by how Berbatov has played.
A striker has to be adaptable, depending on whether or not Rooney is playing, and Berbatov really isn't.
This, I just cant defend him anymore
It's not like I like bashing Manutd Players.... But for me Berbatov's reactions to his teammates, his workrate, his style, it mostly is a Negative sign towards us, he just isn't good enough, our expectations for him was that he will link up with Rooney, create those chances or take easy chances on himself and even provide us headers... which for me, I think he has got like 2 goals from his head since his 2 yr's here which I mean, it just isn't what we are looking for.
I mean, there was a few decent flicks, his pass to Ronaldo after that turn was great, but he just doesn't do that on a consistent basis and missing sitters just isn't helping him. Right now, when we're lookign for a goal, Berbatov just doesn't pop in my mind....
I mean, he has all the talent and skill but if he doesn't suit our style then it's probably best for all sides that he moves on. Bayern would suit his style IMO.
I mean, there was a few decent flicks, his pass to Ronaldo after that turn was great, but he just doesn't do that on a consistent basis and missing sitters just isn't helping him. Right now, when we're lookign for a goal, Berbatov just doesn't pop in my mind....
I mean, he has all the talent and skill but if he doesn't suit our style then it's probably best for all sides that he moves on. Bayern would suit his style IMO.
I think yesterday was the final straw. He looked totally disinterested and a more inept display as a frontman is hard to imagine. I think he's played his last game for us. Well that certainly should be the case but with Fergie you never know. What would he fetch in the market - 10m tops ?
I disagree. Riquelme for example is twice as slow as he. Yet is an excellent midfielder. IMO Berba simply doesn't have the game of a midfielder.
Great post as always.
He will easily fetch nothing less than 15m and probabbly up to 20m. His stock hasn't fallen that far.Actually I think lack of pace is the real issue here. Berba has built his game around skill on the ball largely to compensate for lack of pace. But he finds himself in a team where pace is its trademark and has been now for many seasons. That's the difference between him and say Cantona. The latter could really move about when he wanted to.
Another incompatible aspect is probably personality. Berba's too introspective.
We Cant Sell Berba
Cause if we do, we are again back to over dependence on Rooney. A malise that has plagues us throughout the season.
Even if we get one new (marquee?) striker in, we still only have 2 1/2 strikers. (macheda/owen/diouf all arent up there yet)
Also, after 2 years of bedding berba, it would be foolish to let him go just to get a new player in who takes atleast hafl a season to get used to the 'United way'.
So our best bet is to buy a striker and then IF he does really good next season sell berba for another talent.
Cause if we do, we are again back to over dependence on Rooney. A malise that has plagues us throughout the season.
Even if we get one new (marquee?) striker in, we still only have 2 1/2 strikers. (macheda/owen/diouf all arent up there yet)
Also, after 2 years of bedding berba, it would be foolish to let him go just to get a new player in who takes atleast hafl a season to get used to the 'United way'.
So our best bet is to buy a striker and then IF he does really good next season sell berba for another talent.
The truth is even when Cantona slowed down, he never lacked self confidence. His head never dropped if something went wrong. Just like the snail called Riquleme. Berba unfortunately has that disease because he puts himself under too much pressure. Even without having watched yesterday's game, all the reports I'm hearing confirm it. I bet he must have been quarreling with himself ala Marat Safin after the first miss or 2. Which just make shim perform worse and worse like was the case vs Blackburn after half time.
I really can't count lack of pace as a problem. Because tbh, people like Scholes re now slower than him. But don't face the issues he does.
I agree.
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Helloooo we are already over dependent on Rooney. Selling Berba may pave the way to a striker who isn't terrified in facing the opponent's goalkeeper.
You're forgetting that he's 30 next birthday. His time at United has certainly diminished his re-sale value. Actually I have no idea what we'd get for him in today's inflated market - £10m - £15m but no more surely ? That would mean outlaying a similar amount, at least, to get a suitable replacement and possibly a reason why he'll still be with us next season !
I'm sure it has been discussed, but his shit performance today really could have cost United the game. As it is right now, I would rather we just play with Rooney as the only striker.
exactly. and the solution cant be selling one striker for another who isnt proved in our way of things.
so that again if rooney is injured or something we are down to having no experienced strikers.
the new striker needs to prove himself in a united shirt before we can sell of berba.
Are you fecking retarded or something? Why the feck would a new striker need to prove himself before we sold Berbatov, it has become abundantly clear that Berbatov really offers jack shit for United. What you are saying is ludicrous
are you fecking blind.
if we sell Berba, get a new striker, we are very likely to be in the same position as this year.
just consider a scenario where berba has left, and the new striker isnt performing much better. we are then as screwed as we are now.
atleast if we dont sell berna AND get a new striker, we have 2 strikers to have some option. today we dont.
Between the wage bill and the squad cap there is no way we will be able to buy a quality striker and keep Berbatov.
Even my wife who dont watch that much football says she can barely watch Utd games when Berba is on, just sits there and screaming....
Not to the extent you are claiming. That's for sure. It not like his record is abysmal. Many second choice forwards around Europe don't have 12 league goals.
Beside, his resale value was always going to be of no use to us. After all we over paid for him at 30m. That was never his true value.
10m is simply too low no matter how you look at it. The worst we will get for him is 15m. Which is just about 5 or 8 m below the true value he was when we bought him. Rather than what we paid to get him.
& with the current inflated market, I'm certain he can easily fetch us 18 to 20m from interested parties. If we chose to ship him out.
He looked terrible yesterday. His confidence is low and yesterday he looked like someone who wanted to be somewhere else.
My point is that he doesn't fit into United's set up, principally because of a lack of pace. The team and Berba, or vice versa, are simply out of sync most of the time.
He's not the bravest I've seen either and he's better off in a team where he has a someone who can be the focal point of the attack and do the dirty work, giving Berba time and space to display his undoubted talents to best effect. Mixing it with uncompromising defenders is not his forte.
Scholes could be quick off the mark in years gone by but he doesn't need that in the midfield role he plays these days. He has the ability, when required, to make suffcient space for himself to lay the ball off. As a striker, which is Berba's principal role, there's less time to make that space.
There seems to have been a change in his attitude since the Blackburn match, putting a bit more effort in and not having a go at hs teammates quite as much. I reckon he either realised he needed to sort it out or Fergie gave him a kick up the backside.
I don't think any new striker can play as bad as what berba is doing now.
With all due respect but that's a bit lame. I mean if you look at United's recent past then you'll notice that a substantial number of strikers that we had bought had proven to be quite a hit. RVN, Cole, Saha (bar injuries), Yorke, Teddy etc. So why should we be afraid to first offload a dead weight and then bring a quality replacement? Let me remind you that we work under a tight wage structure so unless we don't get rid of Berba then it will be difficult to bring in a quality striker to replace him.
In my opinion we already have enough strikers who fall under 'if they adapt to the first team then they would do well' category. I mean we've got Hernandez, Diouf, Welbeck and Macheda. We don't need a 100k a week striker to fall under such category.
Never have truer words graced the pages of the Caf... No regrets even if he does move on and score a bunch like Forlan. He just doesn't fit.
If the player don't fit, we can't commit... Anyone else missing OJ, yet?
Maybe, but we won't be pissing 100k down the drain on the shower of shite. His replacement has already been teed up if you hadn't already noticed. When we favor a 451 formation having a second choice striker on 100k a week is not going to happen. Having back ups in Hernandez, Owen, Diouf and Macheda is good enough, especially in the case of Owen who's already nabbed 9 goals with limited playing time. 3 less then Berba
And now get it through your fecking head, maximum squad of 25 players next season. We're not going to keep Berbatov simply because he might come good. He's meant to be at the peak of his career and playing like shit. He's had two years to deliver and done feck all with it. Time he fecked off and found a club that's willing to build a squad around him because that's exactly what he needs. He doesn't fit into the United mold, never has and never will.
It's sad really. I think the idea his dream of making it at United fast fading into a night mare is getting to him.
My point is that he doesn't fit into United's set up, principally because of a lack of pace. The team and Berba, or vice versa, are simply out of sync most of the time.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. I thought you meant lack of pace was the reason he couldn't be a midfielder. Rather than why he wasn't quite suiting our team.
I don't know. He never seemed to have that issue at Spurs or Leverkursen.
I know. My post you had initially replied to was about why Berbatov was never turned into a midfielder earlier on in his career. His game is all about one-two passes, flick and through balls. Good for dictating play further up pitch than in midfield. Sadly for us it hasn't quite worked consistently as well as it should and could.
Unfortunately i think his best will be coming elsewhere next season.
Yesterday he looked like a man that come Stoke, may have just has played his last game for us.
Just make sure you do a job next Sunday, Dimitar. Our chances are slim enough as it is, without you missing sitters left, right and centre.
Yesterday he looked like a man that come Stoke, may have just has played his last game for us.
Just make sure you do a job next Sunday, Dimitar. Our chances are slim enough as it is, without you missing sitters left, right and centre.
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