Cheers for that, case in point.
Nasri, what on earth?!
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Arsenal won a big game for the first time in 10?
Has it been that long? I forgot the string of losses and draws they have against Man United and Chelsea.
It has indeed, although you could still argue with City not having finished in the top 4 for about 95 years they haven't...depending on how charitable your mood.
Bowyer would have done at least as well in decent midfield while offering far more attacking threat - he's basically a better footballer (if a cnut while Darren is a nice chap).
Oh come on, not even going to go further than that, its just ridiculous.
Not a chance. Bowyer at his best was a very good footballer - and much like Joey Barton, never received the praise for it due to his off-field behaviour - but he could never have done what Fletcher does regularly; namely presses the other team high and at an extremely high tempo throughout the game while also involving himself in both the attacking and defensive sides of things.
I know that as an Arsenal supporter you'd have a Rosicky/Arshavin over a Fletcher every day of the week but Fletcher's great skill is in allowing others to play. Something Arsenal could do with at times.
Its just not true, if he was that good he would have spent more time at big clubs and not gone on various free transfers throughout his career. The one time he was at a big club (Leeds at the time) he played on the wing.
Well there's another one, Barton's a much more accomplished player than Fletcher but like Bowyer he's a toe-rag that no big side will sign up.
Is it safe for me to mention that Darren Fletcher has three premier league winners medals to his name whilst Fabregas (and Mr Storey's prodigal son Lee Bowyer) has none?
I must admit, Joey Barton's my guilty footballing pleasure, so to speak. I watch him at times and think if he had the temperament and off the field life of someone like Fletcher then he'd be playing for a big four team.
It's entirely at your discretion to make an arse of yourself once again ( I won't even bother to explain why).
Nasri has found a bit of consistency this season, which has come from regular starts. In previous seasons he has had a few injuries and what not, but never found any real consistancy. I thought he was the dogs bollocks when he scored 2 against United but then he faded away a bit.
Nasri Song Wilshere, while is never going to be the same midfield as Nasri Song Fabregas, it still goes alright.
People complain about Arsenal not being ruthless enough, then we go and turn it on against a 10 man team and you complain that it is not even a test. Please.
Nasri Song Wilshere, while is never going to be the same midfield as Nasri Song Fabregas, it still goes alright.
People complain about Arsenal not being ruthless enough, then we go and turn it on against a 10 man team and you complain that it is not even a test. Please.
The fact that Cesc has no Premier League medals is through no fault of his own. It's a ridiculous argument - you can't compare medals to judge players. It's often an indication, but when you have someone like Gerrard or Fabregas, it's clear that they've been good enough to win plenty, it's just for one reason or another, their team hasn't been.
Stupid thread.
who was saying shit all on the Caf about Nasri a few months ago???? NO, a few weeks ago, now people are acting like he's always been quality and even gooners should say that's bull
some of you are genuinely hillarious
check out the Nasri bandwaggon
Your timing ain't great mate given yesterday's thread and today's perf - even you'd have to bow to that.
it really isn't, I didn't expect Shitty to go down to 10 men so soon to be fair
He's not incredible. But he's certainly not shit. I rate him and always have around a similar talent mark as Modric, maybe slightly worse. (yes,I know they are different players.)
Thus, stupid thread and unwarrented observation.
The timing would not have been right for at least a year, he's always looked like a goodplayer with potential, regardless of how often he reaches it.
Thus, stupid thread and unwarrented observation.
who said he's shit?!?
Not that I agree with any of the comments regarding Fletcher... But I'm pretty sure Aliadiare has a PL medal... Only an idiot would use that as 'proof' a player is better than someone else, mind you you've nicely avoided the thread were we were having 'discussions' about how Chelsea bought the league.
Like I said, I thought you weren't an idiot. Guess I was wrong.
David May has more PL and CL medals than Shearer, possibly the only case where this argument is infact true.
...Not far off insinuating he's on the wrong side of dump.
nah I'm pointing out his faults to counter the hyperboles I've been seeing lately
he's a good lil' player, not special, well imho for now....
let's see if this is more than a purple patch
Actually you could not be more wrong - spectacularly
who was saying shit all on the Caf about Nasri a few months ago???? NO, a few weeks ago, now people are acting like he's always been quality and even gooners should say that's bull
some of you are genuinely hillarious
check out the Nasri bandwaggon
Right from the off he's been very good but then injuries have never really allowed him to get a decent run as I mentioned three pages ago. He seemed to suffer the typical Arsenal scenario just about gets going and then wham! a broken fking leg etc etc
He's not in Messi's or Ronaldo's class but he 's fking good, very good and has actually showed it at times last year and again this year especially now he's getting a good consistant run. Again to repeat he's like Hleb but with the end product in goals as well as assists
He could go on to be exceptionally good - even Pires class imo if we're lucky
Pretty much how I'd some him up.
He'll get better. His problem for me is he looks very lightweight. He's got a good touch, and move well with the ball, and is a good attacking threat for Arsenal. I think Fabregas enjoys playing with him. Shame about the like of Denilson.
Boss, get to bed
You are talking rubbish.
Nasri is a class act and would be ideal for United at the moment.
You are talking rubbish.
Nasri is a class act and would be ideal for United at the moment.
Phil Neville's got more medals than George Best ever had to underline the ludicrousness of the argument.
Boss you can't help yourself sometimes. Only a couple of people said they thought he was better than Ozil, that's the entire basis of this thread right?
One of those was kouroux, someone who watched him first hand at a club he loves while he won young player of the year in Ligue Un(a league with bundles of exciting young talent). The other was an Arsenal fan. Surely it's not that hard to understand them having that opinion?
Other than that, it's generally accepted that he's a very talented player who up until now has struggled to translate that into end product and overall effectiveness(whether it's through injuries, whether it's through age or whether it's through him being a victim of his own versatility, whatever) and is right now just a good player with a lot of upside. There might be a lot of debate on how much upside there actually is, but who gives a feck? Judging potential's so often wildly inaccurate that no-one's opinion on it really has any credence, there are a few main indicators but there's so much left up to interpretation it's not really worth getting your knickers in a twist if the opinions differ so much.
Nasri - very graceful dribbler, has a nice shot, has an eye for a pass and works hard. Around the same level as Modric - good sometimes very good. We all agree on that. I get the feeling tht's your opinion on him, but from the way you're going about it quite a few won't!
Kouroux might've seen more than that in him at Marseille, he might've seen that star quality, and if he has then fair play we can't judge. He's just not really shown that in the league, or certainly not often enough. Pete might be the same, he has a habit of exaggerating things a tad but he's got an eye for talent.
You're talking about how people have exagerrated Nasri's ability but I think it's got more to do with you exaggerating how highly he's rated and you've overreacted just a tad.
One of those was kouroux, someone who watched him first hand at a club he loves while he won young player of the year in Ligue Un(a league with bundles of exciting young talent). The other was an Arsenal fan. Surely it's not that hard to understand them having that opinion?
Other than that, it's generally accepted that he's a very talented player who up until now has struggled to translate that into end product and overall effectiveness(whether it's through injuries, whether it's through age or whether it's through him being a victim of his own versatility, whatever) and is right now just a good player with a lot of upside. There might be a lot of debate on how much upside there actually is, but who gives a feck? Judging potential's so often wildly inaccurate that no-one's opinion on it really has any credence, there are a few main indicators but there's so much left up to interpretation it's not really worth getting your knickers in a twist if the opinions differ so much.
Nasri - very graceful dribbler, has a nice shot, has an eye for a pass and works hard. Around the same level as Modric - good sometimes very good. We all agree on that. I get the feeling tht's your opinion on him, but from the way you're going about it quite a few won't!
Kouroux might've seen more than that in him at Marseille, he might've seen that star quality, and if he has then fair play we can't judge. He's just not really shown that in the league, or certainly not often enough. Pete might be the same, he has a habit of exaggerating things a tad but he's got an eye for talent.
You're talking about how people have exagerrated Nasri's ability but I think it's got more to do with you exaggerating how highly he's rated and you've overreacted just a tad.
I'd actually agree with that, he has struggled to turn his game into end product since coming to Arsena which is what I alluded to in the first post and it seems it's finally happening for him this season so far.
However, from the responses I've seen in this thread, I don't think I've exaggerated how highly he's now rated, he's pretty much become an overnight superstar.
Alot of the time I saw him last season he was frustrating, even moments he would pass the ball backwards infront of goal although he did have a good little spell when he moved to the middle.
However, not many people in this thread are seeing how he's struggled in the past, even one jackass has mentioned him vs Gary Neville in his first season ffs.
Like I said let us see if it is just a purple patch or not, from the responses I've seen in this thread, he's a special player, I don't think he is.....YET
In all honesty Brwned, my current judgment on Nasri has nothing to do with Marseille.He has reached another dimension at Arsenal and this season specially.He's impressed a lot more than I expected he would
@ Boss: You complain about how Nasri is getting overrated but at the same time you start threads mentioning Ozil and Zidane in the same sentence ? Something doesn't compute
@ Boss: You complain about how Nasri is getting overrated but at the same time you start threads mentioning Ozil and Zidane in the same sentence ? Something doesn't compute
what other season?
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With all due respect it doesn't take much these days....Agreed.
I still remember him tearing Neville a new one.
I don't really see people thinking he's a superstar I must say, there's been mentions of his class - which everyone can see - in reply to your intial criticism of him and then there were a couple of mentions about him getting in most teams in the world - which says more about his versatility and the fact that a player who can combine dribbling, passing and workrate is generally going to have a place in most teams due to the variety of play and the flexibility that grants - and then people saying he's one of the more talented young attacking midfielders around - which again comes back to potential - so yeah...a couple of people here and there but you'll see the same with Modric too. Some people just find that type of player very impressive, and most appreciate the variety of their talent, so there will be widespread praise even if he's an incredibly frustrating player because the raw tools are impressive enough.
I think most people do realise he was quite frustrating last year but this is the thing where most people differ - it genuinely annoys you to watch that kind of thing. I don't really think that's the case for a lot of people. If Nasri lingers on the ball too long or over-elaborates with his play they'll acknowledge the skill he showed in the first place and that'll be what sticks in their mind most. For the you the fact that he arses about so much sticks in yours. Either way both sides are seeing the potential in it but choose to look at it differently.
On the Gary Neville thing...does anyone really care what he says? I'm surprised he gets so much ttention because he's so predictable and utterly boring. Regardless it was a good game and it did highlight the potential in his game at the time.
Maybe some are getting a bit ahead of themselves in believing he's starting to realise his potential but who knows? It's not at all clear either way so why take issue with people believing it might be just that? It might, it might not...opinions. I'm with you I'm not convinced yet, I'm on the fence, but it is alright for people to be over the fence. It's hardly a ludicrous opinion worth of a 'what on earth?!'.
Oh Boss, you and your hyperbole...
Nasri's set to explode this season. He has all the ingredients needed to become one of the best in the world, all he needed was a clear run with injuries (which have hampered his development over the last few seasons), and a bit of ambition on the pitch. He's definitely showing the latter, now if he can just stay injury free....
(touched wood)
(touched wood)
Hes good, in form and developing but one of the best in the world is a bit premature, hes a long way to go before hes even sniffing around the likes of Iniesta and co never mind the Messis and Ronaldos of this world who are way over the hill in comparison.