Does this not all belong in the main Glazer thread?
The opportunism of MUST during Rooneygate.
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Thank you for that constructive criticism. Let me know if you want to debate the actual issues at any point instead of just lashing out at anybody that disagrees with you. I won't hold my breath, mind.
1. It does seem trivial.
2. We didn't pay that much, I believe the dividends were around £8-9m p.a.
Jason is still pleased he has a new word, let him use it while it's still fresh.
In terms of transfer fees they were at the top of the pile, aye.
It is impossible to have a sensible debate on this subject, you would think that MUST were evil personified according to a few on here, they may have made mistakes but they are the only supporters group with any clout
And whisper it quietly but I've also noticed an inverse relationship between those who decry MUST for "not getting behind" the club and those who actually get off their arses and do get behind the club.
Inside info? Didn't stop them making stupid statements.Amongst English clubs, aye.
We're working on a slightly bigger scale these days ralphie. At some point you're going to have to accept that the past is in the past.
Which was around 25% of our profits, every season, going out to shareholders.
True that.
I don't know why they can't realise that statements like that don't help their point but just get on people's tits.
If they do have inside information and they really can't disclose it at the moment for some reason, they should really learn to keep shtum until such time as they are able to pass it on.
Hmm, what like Jason in this thread earlier? Who had information that proved me wrong apparently... but couldn't reveal it
He must go to bed at night shitting it I might actually know something he thinks I shouldn't
He must go to bed at night shitting it I might actually know something he thinks I shouldn't
There is a certain similarity...
It's a shady business, there's no doubt about that...
I've lost track of who is argueing for and against MUST now. The people I thought were arguing for MUST seem to have all started to agree that their P.R is appalling.
That's all this was ever really about, their P.R and misrepresentation of fans opinion. It then got pulled off course onto Drasdo's involvement and agenda's and discussion turned to the target of thier statement's, the Glazers.
But it does now seem that everyone is agreeing that MUST need to sort themselves out when it comes to what they are trying to achieve and how their public statements are beneficial to nobody.
That's all this was ever really about, their P.R and misrepresentation of fans opinion. It then got pulled off course onto Drasdo's involvement and agenda's and discussion turned to the target of thier statement's, the Glazers.
But it does now seem that everyone is agreeing that MUST need to sort themselves out when it comes to what they are trying to achieve and how their public statements are beneficial to nobody.
If you look back to the beginning of the thread, just abot everybody has agreed that they have made some misjudgments and said some stupid things.
Here are the opening posts, from page 1, from four of those poster who you would be right to say tend to stand up for MUST when the witch hunts get going:
Contrary to what some people claim there are very few "sheep" blindly agreeing with everything they say.
Hence why the debate turned quickly to whether they were totally discredited and should be ignored, or if they were still the most effective entity in the fight against the Glazers, and just needed to have a think about some of their tactics.
So they've read some forums (probably this one) and have released another rather silly statement?
I really wish they'd handle things better, I really do. The ideals are there (for me anyway), but the going about them just aren't. I sadly don't think they'll learn either.
I respect and appreciate all those doing the work at Must, I really do. However I just can't align myself with them, not until that voice represents me with more judgement and thought anyway.
I really wish they'd handle things better, I really do. The ideals are there (for me anyway), but the going about them just aren't. I sadly don't think they'll learn either.
I respect and appreciate all those doing the work at Must, I really do. However I just can't align myself with them, not until that voice represents me with more judgement and thought anyway.
I haven't read the last few pages of this thread, since it's going round in circles and it's hard (and boring) to keep up with who said what. So since you two are very much for Must, may I ask a question? And I ask this with no motive and/or pre-conceived notion:
Do you think Must have come out of this latest situation looking more or less credible?
Pretty much my sentiment only it wouldn't take alot for me to be a supporter of theirs. Just less ridiculous propaganda driven statements and more honesty and openess to be honest. At the moment I feel like they are treating our supporters with even more disregard than the Glazers are.
That's fair enough, this thread has got very hazy over the past week.
If you can't see the difference between a mod on the Caf refusing to reveal confidential information related to a threatened lawsuit and a group of fans trying to do damage control after some disastrous PR by claiming to have ITK transfer info, then I can't really help you.
There is a certain similarity...
It's a shady business, there's no doubt about that...
The intellectual dishonesty from the MUST-does-no-wrong crowd is getting so tiresome.
Honest question: What planet do you come from?
I don't really see what's silly about the new statement. As I've said, the original statement isn't actually that bad either if you read it... it didn't really say anything specific to the Rooney issue, but just repeated the ususal message.
It just wasn't a good idea to try and use the Rooney situation as a basis on which to release a statement - it comes across all too easily as supporting his claims at a time when he is disrespecting the club and manager. As I said in emails to them afterwards, it was very insensitive at a time when everybody was schocked and upset by what was going on.
I didn't actually see the guy on TV, who it sounds like said dumber stuff.
This just makes my main thought about supporter's trusts like Must even more relevant.
At the end of the day, the power to be on the 'inside' is far to much of a draw for the people at the top to remain true. It's the ultimate ITK position, and it's human nature to want that kind of position.
This is why I'm wary of the RK's, because they (and anyone else in that position) can use this.
You don't debate. Completely ignored what I was saying, and just went on to preach elsewhere, because what I was saying didn't fit into your world view.
Accusing me of lashing out is ironic as all hell. You, Brad, ralph, and fredthered do nothing but that in these threads in a gigantic loop.
The inside information part really makes it seem all the more amateur.
That and the fact they haven't grasped what you are (correctly) saying in the rest of your response to me.
Unfortunately for you, everybody else can see that there is no "MUST-does-no-wrong crowd", just a lot of United fans debating how best to have their views represented.
Your self-pitying bleating about MUST is getting a bit tiresome, not to mention irrelevant.
There's a game on lads
Self-pitying?
Like stuff like this: "There has been a certain degree of misrepresentation and misinterpretation (some of it intentional one suspects) of MUST's position on forums etc."
Make a mistake, blame those who point it out.
Not at all a case of "we fecked up, fans are unhappy, we're sorry". People would be much happier if that happened.
Better to attack the messengers, though.
Like stuff like this: "There has been a certain degree of misrepresentation and misinterpretation (some of it intentional one suspects) of MUST's position on forums etc."
Make a mistake, blame those who point it out.
Not at all a case of "we fecked up, fans are unhappy, we're sorry". People would be much happier if that happened.
Better to attack the messengers, though.
I'm watching it. If Park could shoot we'd be in good shape.
Ignored what you were saying? Aren't you the funny man? Sorry for not replying on Thursday or Friday.
As for "went on to preach elsewhere" I honestly don't know what you're on about, you're sounding a bit confused.
Show me...
And bear in mind we don't all have the "weapons" you do when it comes to lashing out.
Yeah, granted, that bit's silly.
You do have a knack of being wrong...
What are you doing in here then you sad git?
*Please note: This is a joke. I'm not really calling Mockney a git.
See?
Sorry A1dan that we can't allow allegations of racism to be thrown around willy nilly towards people who themselves have been threatened with lawsuits for defamation - endangering the entire existence of the site. I guess that's the sort of debating technique that you think is perfectly fair and reasonable.
Honest answer: Earth
I'm not getting into that debate with you given your previous action, but suffice to say everybody in here (including the other mods, I'm sure) knows there was no genuine allegation of racism, so I really don't know who you're trying to kid with that.
Don't flatter yourself, it would have been against the unwritten rules of the caf not to have posted that.
They specifically attacked people who supposedly intentionally misrepresented all of the Rooney stuff.
You somehow didn't see that.