Why don't the Irish support their local teams?

A member from the Newbies called Pires messaged me this last night:

Just reading your thread there, I'm in the newbies. Been some very good replies and other shit ones from certain posters.

Anyway think most of them failed to mention the FAI Cup final (Irish FA Cup pretty much) was held today at the new Lansdowne Road.

They done cheap tickets for once and got a crowd of 36,000 which by all accounts is pretty amazing for the Irish league. Was beaten Shamrock Rovers and Sligo Rovers, Sligo won on penalties was pretty good game, great atmosphere.

Also one of the main problems is alot of people don't have a local team. I don't have one at all, and I live in a place with 70,000 people in my county. It's pretty much local Gaelic Games and watch football abroad in my area.

Hope this helps a wee bit. Hope to get promoted some day anyway, good luck mate.
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Cheers mate, interesting read. Hope you get promoted soon.

(I tried replying to your message but your inbox is full)
 
United87 said:
Who cares what they think, all they are tyring to point out is how much more they love United, I'm not as big a fan as them, wow, I'd rather be like that then a total retard like say Utd Heap. Who has time to go to every game anyways? Being the best fan of a football team doesn't seem to be something you should aspire to.

Like that guy who had the moustache who went to every game for like 50 years, missed his brothers wedding to keep his run going? People were saying 'respect to him' etc all I was thinking was what a sad cnut ffs. A perfect example was the thread about marking the City bar with graffiti. An intelligent five year old wouldn't think writing on walls was funny or clever but the 'hardcore' group seemed to think it was some kind of genius masterstroke and that's without even mentioning the Foe part.

This :


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:lol::wenger: If that kind of stuff means being a proper United supporter I do not want in.
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Agree with some of that, mainly the graffitti even though bar the foe stuff im not gona pretend i didnt snigger.

But i think your being amazingly patronising towards heap and other fans like that, If going to every game makes them happy and they are willing to pay that money than what the feck gives you the right to call them sad
or whatever?

Getting sick of every single thread just derailing into whos what type of fan and if that type of fan should be around, always ends up with younger fans saying they have every right to support united and trying to defend themselves and the older lot saying how much better it used to be, gets bloody boring.
 
Plan M said:
A member from the Newbies called Pires messaged me this last night:



Cheers mate, interesting read. Hope you get promoted soon.

(I tried replying to your message but your inbox is full)
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It was mentioned a few times, by people who actually went. Imagine that!
 
fredthered said:
Mancs hate the fact the irish support United, which is laughable in itself, but then you get the opposing side going out their way to try and prove they are equally entitled to support United, then using the shit excuses I've highlighted above.
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So the mancs hate us but you don't subscribe to that despite us being so feverish (but not in this thread it seems) to manufacture a validation to support a football club that according to you can't mean anything to us beyond our fabricated reasons. Well thank Sir Matt we have you in here with a rational head on you.
 
Fred, wtf? Can't you understand the difference between Irish people having links to United (reality) and Irish people thinking they're more closely linked to United than are any other demographic in the world (your fantasy)? Wtfeckingf?
 
Bread said:
Agree with some of that, mainly the graffitti even though bar the foe stuff im not gona pretend i didnt snigger.

But i think your being amazingly patronising towards heap and other fans like that, If going to every game makes them happy and they are willing to pay that money than what the feck gives you the right to call them sad
or whatever?

Getting sick of every single thread just derailing into whos what type of fan and if that type of fan should be around, always ends up with younger fans saying they have every right to support united and trying to defend themselves and the older lot saying how much better it used to be, gets bloody boring.
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The sad part was directed at the moustache guy for missing his own brothers wedding. I'm only being patronising because on this forum having a season ticket or coming form Salford is used as some kind of brag to hold over fans that don't or can't go to every game. All I'm saying is so what? Why is it a competition? And is it really somethng to boast about? Really?

Ages ago there was a discussion about fans at Old Trafford and some guy was giving about about a woman with a camera taking pictures, he said next time he sees someone with a camera(United fan) he would give them grief, I mean wtf kind of attitude is that ffs.
 
moses said:
So the mancs hate us but you don't subscribe to that despite us being so feverish (but not in this thread it seems) to manufacture a validation to support a football club that according to you can't mean anything to us beyond our fabricated reasons. Well thank Sir Matt we have you in here with a rational head on you.
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He's talking out of his arse.
 
I'm wound up something rotten. There's no way I'm watching United again until the Irish Supporters Club makes an official apology to the people of Red Issue.
 
golden_blunder said:
Fred, are you still the one person posting or are you back to sharing this login with other neanderthals from Red Issue again?
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Fred's got a pretty distinctive posting style, did that really happen? What was his punishment?

If you think he's on the WUM, why don't you ignore him instead of all piling in trying to reason with someone who isn't reasonable? You're just giving the WUM what they want otherwise

To be fair he isn't completely without point, I know folk who are guilty of much of the stuff he's put forward in this thread... Fred's mistake is that he's then generalizing that to everyone who's Irish, when he hasn't the foggiest what many of you on here actually think and feel
 
Eyepopper said:
Up to recently TV coverage has been sparse, it does seem to be getting better.

The Irish league has suffered from years of mismanagement, that in and of itself drove people away but it will always be hamstrung by having the premier league so close and losing its best players to England.
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Wonder Pigeon said:
We have a highlights package that shows the goals from the weekends Premier Division games, called Monday Night Soccer. I'm not that sure of the viewing figures, but the FAI have to pay RTE to show MNS. No, really.
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They have to pay the TV channel to show the highlights?! Only in Ireland :D

I assumed there would be decent TV coverage of the league in Ireland, surely there is at least 1 live match a week? Really does sound like the whole set up is a joke though!
If there wasn't any/many live games on TV then it is hardly suprising that people choose Premier League football - not everyong can goto the matches.
 
You should come over and sample a few Irish games, coming from Swansea you'd probably get to Ireland as quick as you'd get to Manchester.
 
fredthered said:
Actually, back in the 1950s there was a huge support for Wolves, as they were the big team at the time.

George Best was a Wolves supporter and recalls in his book how he used to go to a neighbours house to listen to the radio ( because his mum and dad didnt have one ). In one part he tells of how he listened to Wolves playing against the first ever game under floodlights against a European team, in what was then deemed to be the fore runner to the European cup.

He also goes on to tell how he'd rush out on a Saturday night to buy the "pink" and catch up on the latest scores, and how he still had the scrapbook with all his cuttings from Wolves match reports.

So basically, you've always been glory hunting bastards.. :D
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Honved: crack Hungarian side o the day - bet you didn't know that:p
 
14 pages?

feck people are touchy on here.
 
I agree

I support my local Sunday (Saturday) League team
I also support Linfield FC (Irish League) as I live beside Windsor and have always had an interest
My main interest and love is Manchester United, my father supported them, as did my grandad and most of my family.

And NONE of my friends who go to Manchester week in week out complain about going, for them they feel lucky to be able and afford to.

Fred dry up te feck
 
Rood said:
They have to pay the TV channel to show the highlights?! Only in Ireland :D

I assumed there would be decent TV coverage of the league in Ireland, surely there is at least 1 live match a week? Really does sound like the whole set up is a joke though!
If there wasn't any/many live games on TV then it is hardly suprising that people choose Premier League football - not everyong can goto the matches.
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In my memory there is 30 years of solid mismanagement.
 
B Cantona said:
To be fair he isn't completely without point, I know folk who are guilty of much of the stuff he's put forward in this thread... Fred's mistake is that he's then generalizing that to everyone who's Irish, when he hasn't the foggiest what many of you on here actually think and feel
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Guilty?


Really Brad?

What have the Irish been guilty of that no other nation does?

Guilty of supporting United and for generations still answering the often loaded question for why don't you feck off home and support your own team with answers you all don't seem to believe/accept?

Guilty indeed.
 
The spirit of combat 18 alive and well, just without any balls. At least they used to carry flags instead of just innnuendo. And had the balls to tell us to feck off home right to our faces. Ah the 80's, the glory days of the marriage of football and racism.
 
Plan M said:
Did I open a can of worms? :nervous:
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nah....shure aren't you from another country yourself with a fine well run, fully professional club on your doorstep in Swansea FC & you still opted to support Manchester United for some reason. Its only natural you'd be interested why people like yourself supports them too.
 
United87 said:
The sad part was directed at the moustache guy for missing his own brothers wedding. I'm only being patronising because on this forum having a season ticket or coming form Salford is used as some kind of brag to hold over fans that don't or can't go to every game. All I'm saying is so what? Why is it a competition? And is it really somethng to boast about? Really?
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As I've said in the other thread, so what if it is?

You say "on this forum"...Well, actually, on most forums and in life. I don't have an ST but someone with one I would actually consider a more dedicated fan than me. Someone from Ireland with an ST, even more so.

Why does it bother so many people that there can in fact be such things as better or more dedicated fans than them.

Only people very insecure about their own status as a fan should be at all bothered by such notions.

The Black Pearl said:
nah....shure aren't you from another country yourself with a fine well run, fully professional club on your doorstep in Swansea FC & you still opted to support Manchester United for some reason. Its only natural you'd be interested why people like yourself supports them too.
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4th post. Not that it matters.

Plan M said:
Seeing as I was born and brought up in Salford, I'd say supporting Manchester United is quite normal, wouldn't you?

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Mockney said:
As I've said in the other thread, so what if it is?

You say "on this forum"...Well, actually, on most forums and in life. I don't have an ST but someone with one I would actually consider a more dedicated fan than me. Someone from Ireland with an ST, even more so.

Why does it bother so many people that there can in fact be such things as better or more dedicated fans than them.

Only people very insecure about their own status as a fan should be at all bothered by such notions.



4th post. Not that it matters.
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You are agreeing with me, only you are at the other end of the spectrum.
 
Mockney said:
As I've said in the other thread, so what if it is?

You say "on this forum"...Well, actually, on most forums and in life. I don't have an ST but someone with one I would actually consider a more dedicated fan than me. Someone from Ireland with an ST, even more so.

Why does it bother so many people that there can in fact be such things as better or more dedicated fans than them.

Only people very insecure about their own status as a fan should be at all bothered by such notions.
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This thread is not about that though, it's directly aimed at Irish fans and was initially why they don't suppport local football, which doesn't actually interest anyone on here as it turns out. As what they really care about is wanting us not to support United for some reason or other.

On your point, you are right, but there are millions of people around the globe who feel passionately for the club and also feel a huge disconnect and they might feel circumstance is keeping them from supporting every week. And as they are football fans they are going to over react at the drop of a hat to their loyalty being questioned. So maybe a better approach than them adopting the maturity of a non football fan human type would be other fans of the same clubs not consistently banging on about some hierarchy or legitimacy of support. For me they have historically always been the insecure ones.
 
Mockney said:
As I've said in the other thread, so what if it is?

You say "on this forum"...Well, actually, on most forums and in life. I don't have an ST but someone with one I would actually consider a more dedicated fan than me. Someone from Ireland with an ST, even more so.

Why does it bother so many people that there can in fact be such things as better or more dedicated fans than them.

Only people very insecure about their own status as a fan should be at all bothered by such notions..
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Thats what a lot of us is trying to figure out.

Coming out with things like a particular group of fans is hated by another group isn't really needed in fairness, one would have to question the real motive behind saying that, particularly as it doesn't seem to be at all the case. We're all supporting the same team at the end of the day. Why we support them or where we're from shouldn't come into it at all.

My apologies to Plan M too, i didn't see that post of his stating he was originally from Manchester.
 
The Black Pearl said:
Thats what a lot of us is trying to figure out.
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Exactly, it's not like the one who are being told they not as dedicated brought it up. Go or don't go, support your team as you see fit. How the feck is it relative to other people's support? And how does geography matter beyond making going more difficult. The idea that the fans going through the gate pays fot the funning of the club is slightly diluted these days by the global revenue. In fact you here the same bunch that have a go at the Paddies etc saying the club cares more about the OOTers and not ST holders. Does that mean that the club actually prefers us to be fans? Are we the 'real' fans of the future.
 
To answer the original question.

Most probably do, well most I know from Cork are avid Cork City supporters. United are their luxury team.

I have been taking more and more notice of BHAFC since I've lived down there and been to a few games but the Withdean is a disgrace to be fair. When the new stadium opens I'll probably start going once a month of something ilke that. I wouldn't really commit any more time to goignt o football games to be honest.
 
Lynott said:
To answer the original question.

Most probably do, well most I know from Cork are avid Cork City supporters. United are their luxury team.

I have been taking more and more notice of BHAFC since I've lived down their and been to a few games but the Withdean is a disgrace to be fair. When the new stadium opens I'll probably start going once a month of something ilke that. I wouldn't really commit any more time to
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Two of my mates brought their girlfriends last Sunday for the first time because there was proper facilities. Some of the grounds over here are shocking.

I know people say, attend, pay the admission and it will get better, but that has not been the case in the past, it's unfair to keep asking fans to pay for sunstandard fare in the home those at the top will improve the product.

That has always bothered me about this discussion even here in Irealnd with no BNP undertones. That the responsilbility still lies with the fans for not attending a mismanaged and substandard product.

Shamrock Rovers have been well attended because the fans run the club. The whoe structure needs to be overhauled. Fan ownership is a lot more viable over here because the clubs are so small. The amount of champions over here in the last 15 years that have stuggled financially soon after winning the league is shocking. Clubs on whatever level they operate, be it under 10's or United, should be able to cut their cloth accordingly.
 
The Black Pearl said:
Thats what a lot of us is trying to figure out.
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Really? Cos now all I see is a bunch of people slaggin each other off.

Only really fred has been on a "No Surrender" tip in here, yet geebs has been on a mental rant at Plan M then refused to concede he over reacted. Moses and a few others are decrying how racist it all is. Lynott is claiming United isn't actually a Mancunian club at all anymore. You're claiming someone from Salford isn't from Salford and some one tried to pretend the Irish flag was the basis for Green and Gold.

There is nonsense being spouted from the "defensive" side of this argument, a fair bit in fact, whilst the out of order bigoted anti-Irish brigade so far consists of just fred.

Is that unfair? Please let me know if it is.

I understand you lot defending yourselves and each other from crap like Mancs hate the Irish, but I'll defend match going fans from being called sad and pathetic just because some people are a little annoyed that their fandom's being questioned.

There IS a heirarchy of support moses. Not of legitimacy, but of dedication. So what if there is? There ARE fans who are better ones and more dedicated ones than others. Thousands more are better than me. I know that, I don't care. I see more people on this board trying to claim we're all one big communist sea of equal unrankable fans just because we're fans than I do people claiming those who don't go are shit fans.

I don't buy that. There are top top fans, there are pretty good fans, there are armchair fans and there are plastic fans. There are. Tough shit if some people want to rank them. It's a bit sad, but it doesn't mean it's not true.
 
Mockney said:
Why does it bother so many people that there can in fact be such things as better or more dedicated fans than them.
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Personally I dont have any issue with that concept. I think what most people have a problem with is when people who see themselves as 'more dedicated' decide to point that out the all and sundry, not directly but in a way that highlights what they deem to be the shortcomings of other fans.
 
Eyepopper said:
Personally I dont have any issue with that concept. I think what most people have a problem with is when people who see themselves as 'more dedicated' decide to point that out the all and sundry, not directly but in a way that highlights what they deem to be the shortcomings of other fans.
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Fair enough. I agree, it's all a bit sad on the behalf of said person. I think we've tipped over into the realm of farce though when posters can start coming out with stuff like "United isn't a Mancunian club anymore".

Sorry I've diverted this thread out of fred's No Surrender trench....This is really more for the other thread.
 
Mockney said:
Really? Cos now all I see is a bunch of people slaggin each other off.

Only really fred has been on a "No Surrender" tip in here, yet geebs has been on a mental rant at Plan M then refused to concede he over reacted. Moses and a few others are decrying how racist it all is. Lynott is claiming United isn't actually a Mancunian club at all anymore. You're claiming someone from Salford isn't from Salford and some one tried to pretend the Irish flag was the basis for Green and Gold.

There is nonsense being spouted from the "defensive" side of this argument, a fair bit in fact, whilst the out of order bigoted anti-Irish brigade so far consists of just fred.

Is that unfair? Please let me know if it is.

I understand you lot defending yourselves and each other from crap like Mancs hate the Irish, but I'll defend match going fans from being called sad and pathetic just because some people are a little annoyed that their fandom's being questioned.

There IS a heirarchy of support moses. Not of legitimacy, but of dedication. So what if there is? There ARE fans who are better ones and more dedicated ones than other. Thousands more are better than me. I know that, I don't care. I see more people on this board trying to claim we're all one big communist sea of equal unrankable fans just because we're fans than I do people claiming those who don't go are shit fans.

I don't buy that. There are top top fans, there are pretty good fans, there are armchair fans and there are plastic fans. There are. Tough shit if some people want to rank them. It's a bit sad, but it doesn't mean it's not true.
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Why is it an issue at all Mockney?

This is a thread about grass roots Irish support. And Irish people do get defensive ... aul man stopped taking me to Old Trafford because of the fecking nonsense that used to go on. So even if there is no anti Irish sentiment behind this thread, the uber fans that are banging on in it should be respectful of the history of the club.

And like I say, on the point of insecurity it's only those who feel they are at the top of this hiracrchy that bring it up. I bet you feel that someone with The White Alnum on vinyl is a better fan than one who hasn't, regardless.

And yes there are differnet types of fan, but there'd be more attendees at OT if we were all flush, single males who lived next door, and people don't like being told how good a fan they are by people who have no idea about them. Although declarations with feck all knowledge seem to be the lifeblood of this place.
 
Eyepopper said:
Personally I dont have any issue with that concept. I think what most people have a problem with is when people who see themselves as 'more dedicated' decide to point that out the all and sundry, not directly but in a way that highlights what they deem to be the shortcomings of other fans.
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Exactly. It's the telling others they are not proper fans or as good as someone else that is childish.

When I stand in Croke park with 70,000+ I don't ever question where the others come from or where ther feck they are going afterwards or how many times they've been before and when I go to a boozer after the game I don't care if people watched the game at the stadium or in the pub. Why the feck does it matter? The issue never comes up , never.
 
moses said:
Exactly. It's the telling others they are not proper fans or as good as someone else that is childish.

When I stand in Croke park with 70,000+ I don't ever question where the others come from or where ther feck they are going afterwards or how many times they've been before and when I go to a boozer after the game I don't care if people watched the game at the stadium or in the pub. Why the feck does it matter? The issue never comes up , never.
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Feicin daytripper :rolleyes:
 
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