Keys & Gray in Sexism Row

[Feedingseagulls]

People need to lighten up.

Real sexism would have been if Andy Gray was serious and used his position to manipulate Charlotte into actually committing some kind of sexual act on him. Light hearted, albeit crude, banter is basically harmless, and women can be as bad as men. As long as it's only in jest, what's the problem?

Richard Keys was far more offensive with his comments about the lineswoman.

I strongly disagree - you merely highlight the worst and most blatant offences and suggest we can only address those.

Yet it is the 'milder' 'banter'-oriented thought processes that support and encourage the sexist attitudes hindering the full utilisation of both sexes to the best of their capabilities.

BTW - Gray definitely asserts 'as a truth' that women/(the lino) know nothing about the offside rule. Derogatory judgement based purely on gender - confirmed in 2 outbursts.

 

[Point Prunier]

Actually YES - absolutely ridiculous, outdated, bigoted dinosaurs - bullies too by all accounts - good riddance.



Great fun seeing the angst from the MCP-friendly brigade too.

Actually NO.

Bore off.

 

[kouroux]

What's the point of not having them?

I don't know tbh.Why not have female coaches too ?
It just feels wrong to me.

 

[Drifter]

Sky News now reporting Keys as gone

 

[Frosty]

Guardian also reporting Keys has resigned

 

[Feedingseagulls]

Some of you are big time drama queens I swear.
Going to extremes to quickly, just because you're wondering if there is a real need to have female referees in male football you are a bigot.

The FA feels it needs more referees full stop - they do not have enough - so why should they exclude women as you seem to suggest?

 

[Mockney]

So Richard'll be hanging out the back of the dole queue then

 

[kouroux]

The FA feels it needs more referees full stop - they do not have enough - so why should they exclude women as you seem to suggest?

I must be a bigot, a macho and big time sexist I guess

 

[rednev]

I don't know tbh.Why not have female coaches too ?
It just feels wrong to me.

So your reason for not wanting women in football is based on a 'feeling' that you are unable to rationalise?

So in other words, prejudice.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Sky News now reporting Keys as gone

 

[Point Prunier]

I must be a bigot, a macho and big time sexist I guess

An A grade bloke then.

Good on ya.

 

[Mockney]

I don't know tbh.Why not have female coaches too ?
It just feels wrong to me.

Are you against Male coaches in the female game? ...Cos there are a lot of 'em

 

[Red For Ever]

I want the best referees and the best people on the line. I'm used to seeing Males, but if a female is good enough, fine by me. As long as the officials are selected on ability first, and the gender is irrelevant. Just a thought do grounds have more than one changing area for officials, no idea, just wondered.

 

[Rahul]

Quit before you get fired.

 

[Feedingseagulls]

Some of you are big time drama queens I swear.
Going to extremes to quickly, just because you're wondering if there is a real need to have female referees in male football you are a bigot.

Pandering to sexist bigotry is one possible reason to not want female officials - I was wondering what yours was.

Go and read it again 'son'.

 

[kouroux]

So your reason for not wanting women in football is based on a 'feeling' that you are unable to rationalise?

So in other words, prejudice.

You might be right I guess.

Are you against Male coaches in the female game? ...Cos there are a lot of 'em

I don't watch female football so I'm not bothered by anything that goes on there

 

[Ubik]

I don't know tbh.Why not have female coaches too ?
It just feels wrong to me.

If a club felt that a woman was better than any male candidate they could find, why not? The whole point is that they should be judged on the job they are doing and have done, not on the basis of being female. They shouldn't have to endure remarks and prejudice doubting their ability on that basis alone, in the same way that a non-white person shouldn't (but, at a time, did).

 

[kouroux]

Pandering to sexist bigotry is one possible reason to not want female officials - I was wondering what yours was.

Go and read it again 'son'.

I'm a bigot then.

 

[Feedingseagulls]

So the way to ensure equality is to discriminate against equally or better qualified male officials?

Do you have evidence that this occurred? - is it just a convenient assumption to try to ensure women do not get the opportunity to demonstrate their ability? or is there a better reason?

Positive discrimination is, however, often needed to attempt to redress the historical imbalance in discriminatory systems. If you really cannot understand why then go and attend some feminist politics/philosophy courses - you might find it quite enlightening.

 

[Feedingseagulls]

I'm a bigot then.

Only if you say so 'dear'.

 

[Point Prunier]

If a club felt that a woman was better than any male candidate they could find, why not? The whole point is that they should be judged on the job they are doing and have done, not on the basis of being female. They shouldn't have to endure remarks and prejudice doubting their ability on that basis alone, in the same way that a non-white person shouldn't (but, at a time, did).

What 'previous' was Sian Massey judged on before being thrust into top flight football?

Did she officiate in the Championship?

Div 1?

Div 2?

Nope...did she feck. So how come she got a shot at the big time so quickly?

 

[kouroux]

If a club felt that a woman was better than any male candidate they could find, why not? The whole point is that they should be judged on the job they are doing and have done, not on the basis of being female. They shouldn't have to endure remarks and prejudice doubting their ability on that basis alone, in the same way that a non-white person shouldn't (but, at a time, did).

I can't explain why exactly but I know it would bother me big time.It's the way I feel about it.C'est la vie

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

Sky News now reporting Keys as gone

Yes!!

Get this man in.

 

[Feedingseagulls]

Actually NO.

Bore off.

Is diddums wound up then?

 

[kouroux]

Only if you say so 'dear'.

You went from 'son' to 'dear'.I don't like where this is going

 

[Frosty]

What 'previous' was Sian Massey judged on before being thrust into top flight football?

Did she officiate in the Championship?

Div 1?

Div 2?

Nope...did she feck. So how come she got a shot at the big time so quickly?

In May 2009 Massey was appointed fourth official for the year's FA Women's Cup final at Derby County's Pride Park Stadium, a game which saw two injury-time goals and Arsenal defeat Sunderland 2–1.

In the 2009–10 men's season Massey was fourth official in five matches and assistant referee in 11 matches. Her first appointment as an assistant referee was on 29 August 2009, a 2–2 draw between Hereford United and Port Vale.

On 11 February 2010, Massey refereed the season's FA Women's Premier League Cup final between Leeds Carnegie and Everton at Rochdale's Spotland Stadium. Massey was required to interpret two notable incidents; she disallowed a third first-half goal for Leeds for a foul on Everton's goalkeeper and disregarded Everton's late first-half appeal for a penalty kick. Leeds won the match 3–1, winning the cup for the first time since its inaugural 1991–92 season.

I believe the phrase is 'pwnage'

 

[Ubik]

What 'previous' was Sian Massey judged on before being thrust into top flight football?

Did she officiate in the Championship?

Div 1?

Div 2?

Nope...did she feck. So how come she got a shot at the big time so quickly?

I don't know, I haven't access to the HR files at the premier league/FA. She's reffed seemingly to a high level in the womens game, perhaps they thought she had enough experience? It seems unfair to assume straight away that she's been put in a place she doesn't belong on that basis. She was also supposed to be involved in a league 2 match yesterday, so it's not like she's just on premiership duty.

EDIT - Ah, I see Frosty has responded to you more forcefully also. Accept that she's fully capable now?

 

[rednev]

Has anyone noticed how intensively Sky News have been reporting this story and how open they've been in talking about how this is a stain on Sky's reputation? That as well as how forward they've been over the past couple of days in reporting negatively on News International and the NoTW over the phone hacking scandal?

Hmm, I wonder if it has anything to do with the Murdoch takeover of BSkyB in an attempt to show how impartial they can be? Surely not..

 

[Point Prunier]

In May 2009 Massey was appointed fourth official for the year's FA Women's Cup final at Derby County's Pride Park Stadium, a game which saw two injury-time goals and Arsenal defeat Sunderland 2–1.

In the 2009–10 men's season Massey was fourth official in five matches and assistant referee in 11 matches. Her first appointment as an assistant referee was on 29 August 2009, a 2–2 draw between Hereford United and Port Vale.

On 11 February 2010, Massey refereed the season's FA Women's Premier League Cup final between Leeds Carnegie and Everton at Rochdale's Spotland Stadium. Massey was required to interpret two notable incidents; she disallowed a third first-half goal for Leeds for a foul on Everton's goalkeeper and disregarded Everton's late first-half appeal for a penalty kick. Leeds won the match 3–1, winning the cup for the first time since its inaugural 1991–92 season.

I believe the phrase is 'pwnage'

I believe the phrase is 'bollocks'

Clearly I’d already looked into that before posting.

4th official/Assistant Ref isn't the same as being an active participant the way a lineo' or ref is. Why wasn't she cutting her teeth in the lower league's running line?

Doing a job in the women’s league simply isn’t comparable.

She's bypassed the usual progression system because she’s a she.


I believe the phrase is 'pwnage'

 

[Frosty]

What 'previous' was Sian Massey judged on before being thrust into top flight football?

Did she officiate in the Championship?

Div 1?

Div 2?

Nope...did she feck. So how come she got a shot at the big time so quickly?

29/08/2009 Hereford United v Port Vale
05/09/2009 Crewe Alexandra v Macclesfield Town
29/09/2009 Hereford United v Bournemouth
03/10/2009 Cheltenham Town v Notts County
17/10/2009 Swindon Town v Hartlepool United
14/11/2009 Barnet v Hereford United
21/11/2009 Shrewsbury Town v Bury
28/11/2009 Oxford United v Barrow
05/12/2009 Port Vale v Morecambe
19/12/2009 Walsall v Leyton Orient
19/01/2010 Brentford v Doncaster Rovers
16/01/2010 Chesterfield v Torquay United
09/02/2010 Northampton Town v Accrington Stanley
20/02/2010 Wycombe Wanderers v Millwall
06/02/2010 Nottingham Forest v Sheffield Wednesday
23/02/2010 Walsall v Yeovil Town
05/04/2010 Northampton Town v Torquay United
28/08/2010 Derby County v Queens Park Rangers
14/08/2010 Hereford United v Gillingham
31/08/2010 Macclesfield Town v Morecambe
11/09/2010 Watford v Doncaster Rovers
18/09/2010 Milton Keynes Dons v Rochdale
25/09/2010 Nottingham Forest v Swansea City
28/09/2010 Hereford United v Stevenage
09/10/2010 Cheltenham Town v Northampton Town
16/10/2010 Port Vale v Gillingham
26/10/2010 Ipswich Town v Northampton Town
30/10/2010 Leicester City v Preston North End
02/11/2010 Oxford United v Torquay United
20/11/2010 Cheltenham Town v Morecambe
04/12/2010 Derby County v Norwich City
11/12/2010 Barnsley v Sheffield United
14/12/2010 Bristol Rovers v Exeter City
26/12/2010 Reading v Bristol City
28/12/2010 Sunderland v Blackpool
01/01/2011 Watford v Portsmouth
15/01/2011 Burnley v Queens Park Rangers

 

[Rado_N]

Doing a job in the women’s league simply isn’t comparable.

Do they use different rules?

 

[Frosty]

I believe the phrase is 'bollocks'

Clearly I’d already looked into that before posting.

4th official/Assistant Ref isn't the same as being an active participant the way a lineo' or ref is. And also why wasn't she cutting her teeth in the lower league doing this?

Doing a job in the women’s league simply isn’t comparable.

She's bypassed the usual progression system because she’s a she.


I believe the phrase is 'pwnage'

Post 1590.

Oh, and an assistant referee IS a linesman.

Enjoy.

 

[Mockney]

Hold on, why are we talking about Massey here? Her reputation isn't and shouldn't be in doubt.

 

[IrishLegend]

Now Key's is gone there is only ONE choice to replace him and Andy:

+

It's about time!

 

[Frosty]

So, apart from running the line in the Championship, League 1 and League 2, what has she done?

 

[Point Prunier]

Post 1590.

Oh, and an assistant referee IS a linesman.

Enjoy.

I feel sorry for all those fans.

 

[Frosty]

Hold on, why are we talking about Massey here? Her reputation isn't and shouldn't be in doubt.

I was responding to the suggestion that Massey was parachuted into the Premiership because she was a woman.

 

[Feedingseagulls]

What 'previous' was Sian Massey judged on before being thrust into top flight football?

Did she officiate in the Championship?

Div 1?

Div 2?

Nope...did she feck. So how come she got a shot at the big time so quickly?

Can't find this in the online edition but yesterday's Guardian records her as having...

'made a rapid ascent of a dauntingly steep ladder... from level 10 (grounded, inactive) through 9 (trainee)... up via assorted unglamorous non-league-rungs to level 2 (the Conference and FA Premier Lewague reserves). Level one is the Football League & Premier League.'

She made her PL debut at Sunderland v Blackpool at Xmas having turned professional back in March.

But don't let facts get in the way of a sexist rant.

 

[Mockney]

I was responding to the suggestion that Massey was parachuted into the Premiership because she was a woman.

Well well done mate. Odd way for the discussion to go

 

[Feedingseagulls]

You went from 'son' to 'dear'.I don't like where this is going

Whoosh!