You wonder if anybody on the coaching staff or even his teammates tells Rashford to get his head up and looks for the best option. I actually feel desperately sorry for the kid up front.
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Manchester United 0:1 Crystal Palace
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At best, but should have fought for a point?
Agree. He has no guile, very easy to read and defend against. His sole attribute appears to be a low center of gravity.
No bleak was our 2nd season under LvG where it looked like we might not lift a trophy any time soon, we are a few thousand km past bleak at this point.
On the contrary, it’s been shits all over the pitch from us.
You are confusing our team with a non dysfunctional team. We don't play like a midtable team. The latter are at least reasonably drilled. We play like a former big club whose players play like crap.
He could have gotten a 2nd card. Refs give out cards like candy, if it had happened that would have been normal as that tackle was dangerous.
I am a United fan, don't worry about me kiddo.
I'm not a lunatic like you imagining somehow we get more screwed by refs than other clubs.
Shit happens move on, there are far more concerning things than crying out at refs, it is fecking pathetic to keep going about it
We are a big club in name only. This big club got relegated in the past.Boooooooooo
That's the spirit.Nineteen attempts and four on target. That is people not looking for who is in a better position to score more often than not and then being wasteful at other times when they are in a good place. It's a mess.
Ah ok. Think I read it here so
I don't mean we are this season. I just mean we need ripping apart, this has been said time and time again, unfortunately we have had idiots doing it. We need selling and quickly and the right people being brought in with the experience and success rate (the latter being a big thing) to organise everything from top to bottom.
Dunno, 4/7 losses (two at home) for the first time ever in the prem with a seemingly regressing team seems quite bleak to me.
As if that takes away anything from the absolute shitshow that he produced every time he's on the pitch!
I'm not trying to justify the performance. The point I'm making is that 4 minutes was obviously not what anyone was expecting.
He has zero goals or assists since he left South America three years ago!
the manager needs to stick to his plan even if it means benching his superstars, i just dont understand whyd even after watching rashford trying to dribble past 4 players for 3rd time he didnt reprimend him.
I agree with you. But our other winger is not better.
You must be new.It's about time Rashy takes some blame
Absolute superstars. They should all be put on basic.I said it at the time and I'll say it again - not giving Rangnick the DoF/Sporting Director role was the last chance we had under this ownership to become a serious club again. It's just going to be more of the same, or even worse from here.
You might want to check the stats if you think Garnacho is a better or more frequent passer than Rashford. And Rashford only has 2/10 games in the imaginations of his most rabid detractors on the caf.
Anyway, today Garnacho did more in his cameo than Rashford did in 85 minutes.
Is there even stats on that? Rashford hasn’t had an over 5/10 game for a few games. Garnacho always does more in his cameos, he even did more when he started mid week. He just looks more hungry and motivated. He actually dribbles past defenders or try’s to.
So you were at the game again today! You truly are cursed! I missed the game today and seems I saved myself a lot of grief.@SirAnderson sorry
There are stats on passing, yes....They are neither of them passing-oriented players, or very good passers. Garnacho even less than Rashford. And Rashford has not been that poor.Is there even stats on that? Rashford hasn’t had an over 5/10 game for a few games. Garnacho always does more in his cameos, he even did more when he started mid week. He just looks more hungry and motivated. He actually dribbles past defenders or try’s to.
Im afraid so. last one until March at least!35 points from the last 21 games.
25 goals in the last 21 games.
Injuries is not a reason for such a form.
He has refused to overhaul how we play what can you say really. He knows what's the problem is but he's refusing to solve it.
A coach who is unable to imprint his playing style to a team is not a good coach.
I really thought he would change our midfield into a passing unit but we have become more and more disjointed. Players are becoming older while achieving nothing
We’re forgetting Garnacho is just 19. The more he plays the more he’ll get better and learn them traits. Rashford seems to be a one trick pony at the minute. Runs into the box cuts in shoots- repeat.
Garnacho has more take-ons than Rashford, succeds with fewer and passes more rarely. So if that's your beef with Rashford, Garnacho is the last player you should be calling for.
Fair enough. We’ll agree to disagree.
Actually, you have a little bit more of a point than I thought. I was going on the general picture from a stats comparison late last season, but having had a quick look at this season's stats Garnacho seems to have adjusted his game quite a bit. Much fewer take-ons and more passes. But they are still essentially similar player types. Rashford much better on take-ons, much higher xG/xa/90 and significantly better pass completion %, Garnacho significantly more carries, touches and progressive passes received.
Ye there’s no chance I’d of compared them last season. Rashford was quality last season and Garnacho had fewer chances where as the drop of in Rashford this season will open up chances for Garnacho hopefully. I agree that they’re both similar players. I can see Garnacho now is how Rashford was when he first burst onto the scene, forever running and taking players on. That seems to have gone out of Rashfords game at the minute.The biggest problems with this squad are identity, courage and when the chips are down most of the squad become crumble FC.
Yes Casemeiro, Varane have pedigree but Madrid don’t let any one leave unless they are on the decline, you might get 2 decent seasons out of them, but that’s it add that to a Manager whose reputation was clearly overrated, he bottled a CL semi final to Spurs, he got a lot of things right last year after an early baptism of fire, however his management skills are clearly lacking, if he hasn’t got his favourites available he struggles to get a tune out other squad members.
When we loose, other fans say united fans blame the Glazers, their right, we do and we are right to blame them for their complete inept and irresponsible management of the Crown Jewels of English Football and even now they don’t know when their time is up!
Having said that, the current manager and players can not be absolved of any blame due to their unprofessional preparation to start the PL, the coach overplaying certain players so we have a huge injury crisis and ETH stubbornness to make changes in game or bench out of form players. He’s now under threat, is he LVG mk 2, boring sideways football and no entertainment, has he taken too many risks too soon?
He’s won a domestic cup and come third with 75 points in the PL, which constitutes success however he seems to have learnt very little from his first PL season. He said he wanted 2 players for every position but we don’t have two Goalkeepers of equal quality(that’s on him!), we don’t have 4 Centre Backs of equal quality, we don’t have any right wingers who contribute assists or goals and we’ve just spent £65m on a rookie Centre forward whose being given the graveyard shift by the complete lack of creativity from the team, yes we have individuals who can produce moments of greatness but we are not an effective attacking team unit and he’s had 15-16 months to drill them into that team.
I can honestly say we’ve payed well maybe 7 or 8 times in his 73 games, Barcelona home and away, Liverpool home, City Home , Arsenal home, Newcastle in Carabo final, I’m struggling to remember too many others, his team have scored 4 goals only once in all those games which was against Chelsea in the League, that tells a very sad sorry story.
That’s more than enough data to form an accurate opinion. He’s won 26 from 45 PL games , 57% win rate that’s not what was promised but more concerning he’s lost 13 PL games from 45 that’s a 29%, that’s a loss rate of 3 in 10 games, way too high for a man United Manager.
The Glazers will rightfully concerned and may push the trigger, they certainly won’t be offering a new contract at Xmas, if the club comes 10-15th this season then, they will have no European football in 2024/25 season just when the FSP reduces to 80% of turnover, the clubs revenue will reduce by £100-140m and all of a sudden the Glazers risk actual bankruptcy of the club, that’s how tight the line is they are currently walking.
As for the so called potential £150m they may have got for qualifying for the club World Cup, this is not going to happen just by not qualifying for Europe this season the club will lose ranking points and have little to no chance of qualifying for the FIFA club tournament in 2025, unlike City and Chelsea who have already qualified.
If this happens you might find both bids would maybe reduce by £1billion rather than increase by £1 billion, results on the pitch are critical to the current plight of the clubs finances!
The only good thing to come from ETH current inept team is he may be indirectly forcing the Glazers to sell the club a lot quicker than they were actually planning.We're so naïve and not ruthless enough.
I see the goals that we conceived and its just too easy.
We are so fragile that if we're conceive first, we aren't getting back to the game.
That's not the case. In fact, Rashford's underlying numbers this season are actually overall mostly rather better than last year's, while reflecting the same general profile as before. By and large, he does the same sort of things he did last year, and has largely the same strengths and weaknesses. Also of course, it's not a huge sample this season, and some variation is natural. But overall the stats don't point to a player who's being much less successful or capable in his game than he was last season - if anything, it's the contrary.
All stats per 90 minutes played
His shooting is up (4.41 vs 3.38). So is his shot-creating actions (4.41 vs 3.06). His pass completion is significantly better (79.7% vs 76.7%). So is progressive carries (4.24 vs 2.66), successful take-ons (2.71 vs 1.69), progressive passes received (8.14 vs 7.66), expected assists (0.2 vs 0.09), Key passes (1.19 vs 0.94), Through balls (0.17 vs 0.06), Switches (0.34 vs 0.19), Goal-creating actions (0.68 vs 0.44), take-on success % (51.6% vs 39.1%), carries into final 1/3 (2.37 vs 1.59), carries into the penalty area (3.05 vs 1.72) % aerials won (38.3% vs 33.3%) and aerials won (0.85 vs 0.63)
npxg+ag, which is a good measure of the volume and quality of scoring chances he's involved in, is exactly identical: 0.59. The numbers of passes attempted and completed are pretty much the same, so are touches and where he has them, as well as miscontrols.
What's changed in a negative direction is shots on target (1.02/1.53), goals/shot (0.04/0.16), progressive passes (2.20 vs 2.75), dribblers tackled (0.17 vs 0.28), Tackles + interceptions (0.17 vs 0.84), dispossessions (2.54 vs 1.38), fouls drawn (0.51 vs 0.72) and ball recoveries (2.54 vs 3.13)
In short - his shooting is off, and there's also a dip in metrics that reflect defensive work. Pretty much everything else he's doing as well as, or better than, last season. Including in most areas of passing.
Which I think translates to what can be seen out there: He's plays pretty much on the same high level as last year, except he's just not putting them away and also he isn't applying himself without the ball as much as he was last season (or as much as he should). The rest of the stuff people get hung up on, like he dribbles too much or too badly or doesn't pass, is.... basically not there. I think that's just reflective of people overemphasising individual situations, falsely drawing general conclusions from them and then fortifying them through confirmation bias.When some people saying we didnt need a goalie, would we have had to give DeGea a new contract or had he still got a year left?Didnt Garnacho start the first 3/4 games and a lot of posters said hes better coming on as impact sub as he didnt produce anything starting?
Could have saved myself the trouble - this morning The Athletic put out an article making much the same points, only better. Man Utd’s Marcus Rashford has always been streaky – but signs point to a return to form - The Athletic- Status
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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18%
Alejandro Garnacho
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16%
Mason Mount
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16%
Raphael Varane
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9%
Sofyan Amrabat
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3%
Rasmus Hojlund
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2%
Victor Lindelof
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2%
Andre Onana
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2%
Harry Maguire
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2%
Bruno Fernandes
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1%
Donny van de Beek
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1%
Casemiro
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1%
Facundo Pellistri
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 207 ratings.
Score Predictions
188,9,10
- Man Utd win
- Crystal Palace win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 39% Man Utd 2:0 Crystal Palace
- 18% Man Utd 2:1 Crystal Palace
- 13% Man Utd 3:1 Crystal Palace
- 9% Man Utd 3:0 Crystal Palace
- 5% Man Utd 1:0 Crystal Palace
- 3% Man Utd 4:0 Crystal Palace
- 2% Man Utd 1:1 Crystal Palace
- 2% Man Utd 4:1 Crystal Palace
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Crystal Palace
- 1% Man Utd 0:2 Crystal Palace
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Crystal Palace
- 1% Man Utd 2:2 Crystal Palace
- 1% Man Utd 9:0 Crystal Palace
- 1% Man Utd 1:2 Crystal Palace
- 0% Man Utd 3:2 Crystal Palace
- 0% Man Utd 1:4 Crystal Palace
- 0% Man Utd 0:9 Crystal Palace
- 0% Man Utd 5:0 Crystal Palace
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Crystal Palace
- Possession
- 77% 23%
- Shots
- 19 8
- Shots on Target
- 4 2
- Corners
- 10 4
- Fouls
- 10 8
Referee
Chris Kavanagh
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Donny van de Beek
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replaced by Harry Maguire
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replaced by Anthony Martial
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replaced by Alejandro Garnacho
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replaced by Christian Eriksen
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