Manchester United 0:1 West Ham United

Sassy Colin · Sep 21, 2021

Cantonagotmehere said:
I believe so.

Any clue on Telles?

Not really, I think he may be close, or ready.

city-puma · Sep 21, 2021

I want to see,
Hannibal-Matic-VDB

Red00012 · Sep 21, 2021

Lee565 said:
We ain't spurs.

5 years

Sassy Colin · Sep 21, 2021

SuperiorXI said:
We play on Saturday so it should be a mix of mostly first teamers and backup options. You can bet West Ham will be taking this seriously especially after the manner in which we just beat them.

What, we got done out of 2 stonewall penalties and they got gifted theirs and fecked it up? What 'manner in which we beat them', exactly? They were lucky not to lose 4-1, the cnuts.

Inigo Montoya · Sep 21, 2021

Adnan said:
Amad is injured and i'm doubtful Mejbri features. Liverpool on the other hand are expected to hand a debut to 16 year old Kaide Gordon tonight according to reports and Klopp's assistant Ljinders is quoted as saying it's more important to show the kids a clear pathway to the first team than winning the competition.

It seems they're using the competition to give opportunities to a few of their younger players.

You can do that against Norwich though. Probably play the entire U18s and give a good account of themselves.

West Ham are a whole different ball game. Their bench against us was full of experience. If we genuinely want to progress in this competition then a decent side with the strength in depth must be fielded.
Of course Elanga, Shoretire could figure

Inigo Montoya · Sep 21, 2021

SuperiorXI said:
We play on Saturday so it should be a mix of mostly first teamers and backup options. You can bet West Ham will be taking this seriously especially after the manner in which we just beat them.

I doubt it. They also have 2 games a week and hardly have the deepest squad. They have Leeds away on Sat( winnable game). What do you think Moyes will prioritise?

Adnan · Sep 21, 2021

Inigo Montoya said:
You can do that against Norwich though. Probably play the entire U18s and give a good account of themselves.

West Ham are a whole different ball game. Their bench against us was full of experience. If we genuinely want to progress in this competition then a decent side with the strength in depth must be fielded.
Of course Elanga, Shoretire could figure

It's not just Norwich though, Klopp has given a debut to a 16 year old fullback against Wolves in the FA Cup in recent years and last year he selected two teenagers in his back 4 against Arsenal in the Carabao Cup.

And Ljinders is quoted as saying 'it's more important to bring in the youth than even win the competition' There was a time under Fergie when some in the media referred to the League Cup as the 'worthless Cup'

Inigo Montoya · Sep 21, 2021

Adnan said:
It's not just Norwich though, Klopp has given a debut to a 16 year old fullback against Wolves in the FA Cup in recent years and last year he selected two teenagers in his back 4 against Arsenal in the Carabao Cup.

And Ljinders is quoted as saying 'it's more important to bring in the youth than even win the competition' There was a time under Fergie when some in the media referred to the League Cup as the 'worthless Cup'

The media did. SAF never ever chose a team he didn’t think could win a match be it League Cup or otherwise. How many times did he win it? 4 and two losing finalists.

All this about throwing the game because we have other priorities is bollocks and I don’t give two shits what Liverpool think. They are playing a crap championship side, we’re not! As for Liverpool bringing through youth nonsense. We’ve given far more opportunities to kids than they have

Plant0x84 · Sep 21, 2021

Lee565 said:
We ain't spurs.

Do we have to be Spurs to want to win a trophy? This is our first opportunity….

Adnan · Sep 21, 2021

Inigo Montoya said:
The media did. SAF never ever chose a team he didn’t think could win a match be it League Cup or otherwise. How many times did he win it? 4 and two losing finalists.

All this about throwing the game because we have other priorities is bollocks and I don’t give two shits what Liverpool think. They are playing a crap championship side, we’re not! As for Liverpool bringing through youth nonsense. We’ve given far more opportunities to kids than they have

Klopp isn't throwing the game either because he's selecting players who he thinks can win the the game aswell. Last year against Arsenal he fielded two teenagers in his backline and the game was goalless in normal time with Arsenal winning on pens.

I couldn't give a shit about the Carabao Cup and would rather see us field a few young players who are showing the potential to become first team players which will help in their development IMO.

James35 · Sep 21, 2021

I'd certainly take winning this cup over another season of nothing. So I'm hoping we don't go out in our first round and at home. So I'm wanting Ole to go quite strong but rest the likes of Ronaldo, Bruno and Shaw.

dannyrhinos89 · Sep 21, 2021

Tincanalley said:
McT needs game time

he just did 90 mins after returning from injury, I dint see any need for him to be featured in this game unless it’s for the last 20 or so.

Samid · Sep 21, 2021

Adnan said:
Klopp isn't throwing the game either because he's selecting players who he thinks can win the the game aswell. Last year against Arsenal he fielded two teenagers in his backline and the game was goalless in normal time with Arsenal winning on pens.

I couldn't give a shit about the Carabao Cup and would rather see us field a few young players who are showing the potential to become first team players which will help in their development IMO.

You're ignoring the main issue though which is the bloated first team squad. I'm counting 24 first team outfield players (excluding the likes of Amad, Elanga, Mejbri, Mengi). Even in a pure B team there would be several first teamers missing out before we even get to the youngsters.

We're happy to keep duds around forever (Jones, Bailly, Mata, Martial etc.) which obviously has a knock-on effect. Those duds will automatically steal game time from youngsters. It's daft to use Klopp's situation as a direct comparison because he doesn't have our squad depth and on top of that he has 4-5 players unavailable. A couple of kids are bound to get into his rotated cup team by default.

The question is why we dish out new contracts to undeserving players? And why do we pay them so high wages that they'd rather rot on the bench here than find a team where they'll actually get some game time? First and foremost we need a ruthless transfer/contract policy if we want to see more young players get a proper chance.

Adnan · Sep 21, 2021

Samid said:
You're ignoring the main issue though which is the bloated first team squad. I'm counting 24 first team outfield players (excluding the likes of Amad, Elanga, Mejbri, Mengi). Even in a pure B team there would be several first teamers missing out before we even get to the youngsters.

We're happy to keep duds around forever (Jones, Bailly, Mata, Martial etc.) which obviously has a knock-on effect. Those duds will automatically steal game time from youngsters. It's daft to use Klopp's situation as a direct comparison because he doesn't have our squad depth and on top of that he has 4-5 players unavailable. A couple of kids are bound to get into his rotated cup team by default.

The question is why we dish out new contracts to undeserving players? And why do we pay them so high wages that they'd rather rot on the bench here than find a team where they'll actually get some game time? First and foremost we need a ruthless transfer/contract policy if we want to see more young players get a proper chance.

I'm not ignoring the bloated squad at all and it's due to that very reason I believe some of the younger players haven't been given the opportunity that they should've got. But you can't just put that down to the board and the manager has to also take some responsibility aswell.

Mickson · Sep 21, 2021

Adnan said:
I'm not ignoring the bloated squad at all and it's due to that very reason I believe some of the younger players haven't been given the opportunity that they should've got. But you can't just put that down to the board and the manager has to also take some responsibility aswell.

He can choose to use Hannibal instead of Mata or Elanga instead of someone else. It's entirely up to him so I don't get the "we have a big squad". Does it say in Mata's contract that he must play? Not that I get why he got a new contract in the first place but it seems surreal that we just seem to hand out new contracts and playing time to deadwood for no apparent reason. City and Liverpool played plenty of youngsters tonight without bragging about how much they give youth a chance. United certainly won't do the same and I doubt we will see some champagne football regardless. Ole has talked a lot about giving youth a chance but he seems to have given up on that completely in the last 1-2 seasons.

Adnan · Sep 21, 2021

Mickson said:
He can choose to use Hannibal instead of Mata or Elanga instead of someone else. It's entirely up to him so I don't get the "we have a big squad". Does it say in Mata's contract that he must play? Not that I get why he got a new contract in the first place but it seems surreal that we just seem to hand out new contracts and playing time to deadwood for no apparent reason. City and Liverpool played plenty of youngsters tonight without bragging about how much they give youth a chance. United certainly won't do the same and I doubt we will see some champagne football regardless. Ole has talked a lot about giving youth a chance but he seems to have given up on that completely in the last 1-2 seasons.

I agree mate. Klopp could've easily have played Jota over 16 year old Kaide Gordon tonight but he didn't. So we can blame the board for a lot of things but they don't force Ole to only select the more established players. I hope Elanga at least gets a chance.

Momochiru · Sep 21, 2021

So 3 PL teams are out today and at least 3 more will be out tomorrow. With a little luck we could get no more than 1-2 tough games on the way to the final, definitely a great opportunity to win something.

Samid · Sep 21, 2021

Adnan said:
I'm not ignoring the bloated squad at all and it's due to that very reason I believe some of the younger players haven't been given the opportunity that they should've got. But you can't just put that down to the board and the manager has to also take some responsibility aswell.

Adnan said:
I agree mate. Klopp could've easily have played Jota over 16 year old Kaide Gordon tonight but he didn't. So we can blame the board for a lot of things but they don't force Ole to only select the more established players. I hope Elanga at least gets a chance.

The manager also has to take his fair share of the blame obviously. Mata's extra year is on Ole imo. Yes he might be a professional guy and good in the dressing room but on the pitch he's a waste of time. Any minutes he plays this season should've gone to the youngsters.

But any manager (apart from LVG) would love to have as many players as possible. Klopp would've probably preferred to keep the likes of Ings, Lovren, Ibe, Brewster etc. if he could and money wasn't an issue. After all he has kept Ox and Origi and they've been non-existent for years. Managers are hoarders and sometimes you need the board/DOF to tell you "look this guy isn't offering us anything, we won't give him a new contract". That should have been done with the likes of Jones, Bailly and Mata.

Jota has started all their games bar one this season because of Firmino's injuries. So why on earth could Jota 'easily have played' if the point is to rotate players? Milner would've played tonight if he hadn't been a last minute replacement for TAA at the weekend. If Milner, Thiago, Elliot and Firmino all were available, would the 16 year old have started? Probably not. Klopp could've also given minutes to Balagizi but he chose to sub on Henderson instead, why did he go for the more established player when the game was done and dusted at 3-0?

I just don't get this constant mentioning of what Klopp is doing when the context is entirely different. Klopp started all of his first team players who were short of minutes (Gomez, Konate, Jones, Ox, Minamino, Origi, Tsimikas, Keita) tonight. He didn't have anyone else available from the first team squad who needed minutes. That meant he could use the final two spots to experiment. Compare that to Ole who has 11-12 first team players in need of minutes. It's a lazy argument to keep mentioning Klopp's selection of a 16 year old when he didn't have one other first teamer in need of game time on the bench.

Adnan · Sep 21, 2021

Samid said:
The manager also has to take his fair share of the blame obviously. Mata's extra year is on Ole imo. Yes he might be a professional guy and good in the dressing room but on the pitch he's a waste of time. Any minutes he plays this season should've gone to the youngsters.

But any manager (apart from LVG) would love to have as many players as possible. Klopp would've probably preferred to keep the likes of Ings, Lovren, Ibe, Brewster etc. if he could and money wasn't an issue. After all he has kept Ox and Origi and they've been non-existent for years. Managers are hoarders and sometimes you need the board/DOF to tell you "look this guy isn't offering us anything, we won't give him a new contract". That should have been done with the likes of Jones, Bailly and Mata.

Jota has started all their games bar one this season because of Firmino's injuries. So why on earth could Jota 'easily have played' if the point is to rotate players? Milner would've played tonight if he hadn't been a last minute replacement for TAA at the weekend. If Milner, Thiago, Elliot and Firmino all were available, would the 16 year old have started? Probably not. Klopp could've also given minutes to Balagizi but he chose to sub on Henderson instead, why did he go for the more established player when the game was done and dusted at 3-0?

I just don't get this constant mentioning of what Klopp is doing when the context is entirely different. Klopp started all of his first team players who were short of minutes (Gomez, Konate, Jones, Ox, Minamino, Origi, Tsimikas, Keita) tonight. He didn't have anyone else available from the first team squad who needed minutes. That meant he could use the final two spots to experiment. Compare that to Ole who has 11-12 first team players in need of minutes. It's a lazy argument to keep mentioning Klopp's selection of a 16 year old when he didn't have one other first teamer in need of game time on the bench.

You've mentioned Mata which you confess was on Ole but Donny Van de Beek who has been severely under used is also on Ole, because according to the players agent he would've also moved on loan to Everton until Solskjaer intervened and put a stop to that. Solskjaer was also reported to have wanted to keep Dan James even after the club bought Ronaldo but the decision was taken out his hands if the reports are anything to go by. He also wants to keep Lingard when IMO many other managers would've sidelined Lingard a long time ago.

I'm not sure if every manager is a hoarder like you put it. If a manager wants to constantly hoard players then I don't believe that manager is thinking about giving the young players much of a chance. That's his (Ole) prerogative and he can do as he pleases but let's not make excuses here.

'Klopp would've probably liked to have kept the players' you mention is a assumption because none of those players were good enough for the way he wants his team to play and neither did he buy those players but rather he inherited them. He's also won the Champions League and league title with the likes of Origi and Chamberlain in his squad so it's understandable why he may want to keep them considering he's won the two biggest prizes in club football whilst being a coach in England.

Klopp is starting 16 year olds which should be noted and many other managers would easily select a established player ahead of a 16 year old. But the reason he started him is simple, because he's a huge talent and Klopp and his assistant Ljinders have both gone on record and said they would create a pathway for the most talented youth players which balagizi quite clearly isn't IMO . He doesn't just throw any young player into the first team which you quite clearly don't understand IMO from reading your post.

Again you fail to understand that Klopp has created conditions to give the youth players a chance which I've explained above. He's used the domestic cups to give youth players a chance. And I'm not saying we should make wholesale changes and bring in a whole team of youth players, but it would be nice to see one or two players like Elanga or Hannibal given a opportunity like Klopp gave to youngsters Gordon and Bradley in their 3-0 win away to Norwich.

RedDevilRoshi · Sep 22, 2021

Telles & Cavani have only just returned so I presume they will start on the bench with a view to bringing both of them on at some stage in the game. I’d keep Varane in the starting XI as I simply don’t trust a Lindelof & Bailly CB partnership as we saw towards the end of last season. AWB is suspended next week against Villarreal in the CL so he will have his rest night then. I’d have Ronaldo on the bench just in case we do need him.

Starting XI:

Heaton

Wan-Bissaka - Lindelof - Varane - Dalot

Van De Beek - Matic

Sancho - Lingard - Elanga

Martial

Subs: Henderson, Bailly, Telles, McTominay, Mejbri, Ronaldo, Cavani

Score Prediction: Manchester United 2-0 West Ham United

RetroStu · Sep 22, 2021

God i hate games like this because in an ideal world you would like to experiment with the League Cup, but at the same time i dont think we have a chance of the League or Champs League, so what do you do?.

I dont know but i'd like to see Cavani, Sancho, and Donny get a start in this.

roseguy64 · Sep 22, 2021

Jones will be in the matchday squad.

hobbers · Sep 22, 2021

Henderson
Dalot Bailly Lindelof Telles
McT VdB
Mata Lingard Sancho
Martial

Bank on it.

RedRonaldo · Sep 22, 2021

Henderson
Dalot Bailly Lindelof Telles
Matic VdB
Diallo Lingard Sancho
Martial

city-puma · Sep 22, 2021

We will surely play the team B. Remember they worked on something during the international break and have the closed-door game as well. It’s the perfect opportunity to show it.

Desert Eagle · Sep 22, 2021

roseguy64 said:
Jones will be in the matchday squad.

He will start

slir32 · Sep 22, 2021

Would love it if someone could PM me streaming sites that work all of my links are gone.

Inigo Montoya · Sep 22, 2021

Imagine getting so worked up because Klopp played a couple of youngsters and it’s people’s belief that we won’t.

The match hasn’t begun yet and the craziness begins. Was so glad I missed the match day thread when I went to the game Sunday

Chicharo · Sep 22, 2021

Cavani won't be available today... Next weekend probably

Borys · Sep 22, 2021

DDG
Dalot - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
Matic - van de Beek
Pogba
Sancho - Greenwood - Lingard

I would really like to see that team.

Revan · Sep 22, 2021

We are all gonna be surprised when we see Ronaldo starting. And less surprised when we see him scoring another brace.

DWelbz19 · Sep 22, 2021

Would be nice to see Elangaga feature at some point. He’s always impressed in the limited senior squad showing. With his pace and pressing, he can take the Dan James profile in the squad.

tidraKS · Sep 22, 2021

DWelbz19 said:
Would be nice to see Elangaga feature at some point. He’s always impressed in the limited senior squad showing. With his pace and pressing, he can take the Dan James profile in the squad.

Would be nice to spell his last name right.

Bebestation · Sep 22, 2021

Henderson
Dalot - Lindelof - Bailly - Telles
Matic - Pogba
VDB
Sancho - Greenwood - Lingard

If we get and early lead swap VDB for Pogba and play him deeper. Make Lingard play CAM and bring Elanga for LW.

DWelbz19 · Sep 22, 2021

tidraKS said:
Would be nice to spell his last name right.

It was intentional, tidraKS. Because his pace makes fans gaga.

bludsucker · Sep 22, 2021

DWelbz19 said:
Would be nice to see Elangaga feature at some point. He’s always impressed in the limited senior squad showing. With his pace and pressing, he can take the Dan James profile in the squad.

Any relation to lady gaga. I”ll get my coat now

Highfather_24 · Sep 22, 2021

Phil Jones will come off the bench today and will be given the captain's armband by Maguire.

Redfrog · Sep 22, 2021

Adnan said:
It's not just Norwich though, Klopp has given a debut to a 16 year old fullback against Wolves in the FA Cup in recent years and last year he selected two teenagers in his back 4 against Arsenal in the Carabao Cup.

And Ljinders is quoted as saying 'it's more important to bring in the youth than even win the competition' There was a time under Fergie when some in the media referred to the League Cup as the 'worthless Cup'

Appart from the guy who got injured, who is featuring regularly from the academy for them ?
We have Rashford, Greenwood, McTomminay, with Lingard on the bench as well and Pogba if we can count him. Many youngsters got their debut and featured under Ole as well.

So I don’t think it’s pertinent to criticize the club about that when we are the big club with the most academy graduates in the team.

flappyjay · Sep 22, 2021

Sassy Colin said:
What, we got done out of 2 stonewall penalties and they got gifted theirs and fecked it up? What 'manner in which we beat them', exactly? They were lucky not to lose 4-1, the cnuts.

Ronaldo missed that guilt edged opportunity and Bruno hit the post. On another day we could have ripped them.

Champ · Sep 22, 2021

Really hope Noble starts for them and gets sent off, that and United win would really make my week!

League Cup 3rd Round

Manchester United 0:1 West Ham United

Old Trafford

Closed

Death or the gladioli!

Full Member

Full Member

Death or the gladioli!

Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

Talent Spotter

Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

Shame we’re aren’t more like Brighton

Talent Spotter

New Member

OMG socks and sandals lol!

He's no Bilal Ilyas Jhandir

Talent Spotter

Full Member

Talent Spotter

Full Member

He's no Bilal Ilyas Jhandir

Talent Spotter

Full Member

Full Member

Full Member

Full Member

Wishes to be oppressed.

Full Member

Punjabi Dude

Full Member

Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

Full Member

Statistics Wizard

Assumptionman

Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

New Member

Im a doctor btw, my IQ destroys yours

Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

Full Member

Full Member

Full Member

Full Member

Refuses to acknowledge existence of Ukraine

Man of the Match

Runners-up

Player Ratings

Highest Rated Player

Lowest Rated Player

Score Predictions

Detailed Results

Match Stats

Referee

Man Utd Lineup

Substitutes