Sevilla 2:1 Manchester United

Withnail · Aug 16, 2020

Green_Red said:
We will get rid of a couple and bring in a few new faces, Im sure of it. If we improve our starting XI and some of our current starting XI become options from the bench we'll look a lot better.

Exactly, our first eleven is good but the bench is poor.

Ole clearly doesn't have anyone he sees as a game changer. A couple of quality additions would make the world of difference.

DomesticTadpole · Aug 16, 2020

FrankDrebin said:
And that is a major issue. You cant go forward's with such little quality.
They'll be at the club next season, that I'm sure of. Who wants them and who's going to offer them the same wages in this Covid climate?

Fred started and was not a problem. He was not going to bring Matic on, he has been pretty fine this season, but our striking and wide options off the bench are terrible.

RUCK4444 · Aug 16, 2020

MrBest said:
Hopefully now the Ole lovers will understand that he is a poor poor manager and got extremely lucky durimg restart. I am really glad we finished 3rd but we really should have beaten Chelsea and Seville. Please please give us Poch before the new season. I am tired of the Moyes lookalike.

Awful post. Spoken like a child.

DomesticTadpole · Aug 16, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
Fully agree, getting the players we need has always been a problem for us.

Watch Ed try to get Messi now. We definitely need Sancho. Another CB, A fit LB, a striker who if not starting is at least a clinical option off the bench. They better not go from Sancho at 20 to a 30 year old Costa.

Withnail · Aug 16, 2020

DickDastardly said:
Well, that's not true either.

The Monty Hall problem - if you can, always change.

It could actually be a good research for someone with spare time and proper analytics.

I'm gonna go on a limb here, and make a statement that the manager who changes first, wins.

He adapts first, he's proactive, his team responds better.

In a 1-1 semifinals with 20 minutes to go, it showed tonight.

Go and do the research and come back to me. I reckon you'll be wrong.

Decisions need to be made with intelligence and analytical planning.

Changes for changes sake are not that.

You'd have to rule out like for like replacements cos that's just the fresh legs angle. You'll have a fair bit of work ahead of yourself. Good luck

FrankDrebin · Aug 16, 2020

This isn't a Ole issue as I remember Jose having a similar problem with the amount of chances we continually wasted in his first season.
Tonight and the previous game reminded me alot of those Jose results against Stoke and Burnely where the GK would have a stormer and some average forward *cough* Moting would end up with a brace.

Maureen-yo · Aug 16, 2020

Ranchero said:
The game is about goals ffs. That is why we not in the final. Learn the rules of the game. If he said we created the most chances...yes. Were we the most dangerous looking...yes. Were we the better team...NO. We lost. There is no discussion to be had. We are out the competition. That means we were not the better team. It is as black as black and as white as white. Losing=not better

But scoring a goal more when the opponent has battered you in regards to chances made and attempts does not make you the BETTER team, purely the winning team.
We won’t agree on this as you must therefore think that teams like Wimbledon in the 80’s were brillaint when they beat a team 1-0 by being absolute shite long ball merchants and fluking a goal and then kicking the shit out of the opposition for the rest of the match.

Tel074 · Aug 16, 2020

Ranchero said:
We lost = not better team.

You obviously have zero concept of football . We are out fair and square but we where the better team any idiot could see that

Ranchero · Aug 16, 2020

Maureen-yo said:
But scoring a goal more when the opponent has battered you in regards to chances made and attempts does not make you the BETTER team, purely the winning team.
We won’t agree on this as you must therefore think that teams like Wimbledon in the 80’s were brillaint when they beat a team 1-0 by being absolute shite long ball merchants and fluking a goal and then kicking the shit out of the opposition for the rest of the match.

Leicester won the Prem by not being the better team in many people's definition.
Greece won a Euro by not being the better team in many folks' definition.
The game is about scoring the most goals. How you get there is many and varied. But it is goals that make you better. That is all.

pauldyson1uk · Aug 16, 2020

DomesticTadpole said:
Watch Ed try to get Messi now. We definitely need Sancho. Another CB, A fit LB, a striker who if not starting is at least a clinical option off the bench. They better not go from Sancho at 20 to a 30 year old Costa.

Sancho yes, he is a must, but I doubt we will get him , CB , LB and a striker 100% yes.
Costa OMG NO.
I saw a broken Messi the other night, I said to my son, he could have played his last game for Barca, but please not to us.

Ranchero · Aug 16, 2020

Tel074 said:
You obviously have zero concept of football . We are out fair and square but we where the better team any idiot could see that

Any idiot can see we lost. If you dont understand the rules you have zero concept of football.

Withnail · Aug 16, 2020

Ranchero said:
Leicester won the Prem by not being the better team in many people's definition.
Greece won a Euro by not being the better team in many folk's definition.
The game is about scoring the most goals. How you get there is many and varied. But it is goals that make you better. That is all.

Strange hill to die on.

Goals scored is not a good predictor of future success so there's that.

pauldyson1uk · Aug 16, 2020

Ranchero said:
We lost = not better team.

totally disagree , we were the better team, their keeper kept them in and out bad defencing.
The best team has lost many many games, our FA Cup Final against Arsenal for example

Ranchero · Aug 16, 2020

Withnail said:
Strange hill to die on.

Goals scored is not a good predictor of future success so there's that.

My god this IS the Parrot Shop Sketch.

Withnail · Aug 16, 2020

Ranchero said:
My god this IS the Parrot Shop Sketch.

Whatever bro you do you

Ranchero · Aug 16, 2020

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pauldyson1uk said:
totally disagree , we were the better team, their keeper kept them in and out bad defencing.
The best team has lost many many games, our FA Cup Final against Arsenal for example

People who say this do not understand the rules of the game and that defending is an integral part of the game. It is arguing black is white to say we were better in terms of the all important scoreline...involving only goals. Did we deserve BETTER. Yes. That doesn't mean we were.

Hernandez - BFA · Aug 16, 2020

Withnail said:
Ah it doesn't matter. So no one then?

So what's your plan if you have tired players on the pitch? Leave them to it and hope they find second wind?

Riz · Aug 16, 2020

Gutted with that result but more importantly the missed opportunity for our players to come through the other side against a decent European side.

On the whole we played pretty well I thought, we weren’t amazing but looked a lot more cohesive going forwards than against Copenhagen. The period after half time we had them on the ropes but just couldn’t capitalise. They’re a good side and they’ve been around the block, criminal defending for that second goal was exactly the sort of opportunity they were waiting to pounce on. On another day we could have scored at least 2, also think Bruno should have had another penalty.

Very disappointing but I’m not going to dwell on it too long. It was a much better performance than some of the last matches of the league.

pauldyson1uk · Aug 16, 2020

Ranchero said:
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People who say this do not understand the rules of the game and that defending is an integral part of the game. It is arguing black is white to say we were better in terms of the all important scoreline...involving only goals. Did we deserve BETTER. Yes. That doesn't mean we were.

Yeah ok whatever, clearly I am clueless and know nothing about football, I could argue the toss with you, but its not worth it.

Maureen-yo · Aug 16, 2020

Ranchero said:
Leicester won the Prem by not being the better team in many people's definition.
Greece won a Euro by not being the better team in many folks' definition.
The game is about scoring the most goals. How you get there is many and varied. But it is goals that make you better. That is all.

You have literally just dispelled you own notion. Well done.

robinamicrowave · Aug 16, 2020

Bit of a bummer to go out like that, but a top 4 finish was just about expectations at the start of the season and way beyond expectations before Christmas, so winning the Europa was always likely to be a bonus reward for a good run of form since the new year. Didn't happen, unfortunately, and honestly you looked tired after about an hour (yet again), but it's been the first year since maybe 2016/17 where it's felt like United are moving forward again. Don't think you're anywhere near putting a title challenge together just yet but that's a problem for 2022.

Maureen-yo · Aug 16, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
Yeah ok whatever, clearly I am clueless and know nothing about football, I could argue the toss with you, but its not worth it.

Mate I’d just give up, he is so blindly caught up on, “a goal makes you a better team” that he can’t see the wood for the trees.

Withnail · Aug 16, 2020

Hernandez - BFA said:
So what's your plan if you have tired players on the pitch? Leave them to it and hope they find second wind?

Its fine.

You've no opinion on who he should have brought on so there's nothing to discuss.

MrBest · Aug 16, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
This really is a dreadful post , what has Poch done to warrant your support ?
Match day thread are always dreadful full of kneejerk posts, but this is one of the worst.

Really? What is your counter argument? Seriously, little posters like you complain about people who have a negative opinion of Ole yet add zero substance to any debate. I'm surprised that the lack of effort or intelligence in your post does not get you warned. Seriously pathetic on your part for that. Bravo.

MrBest · Aug 16, 2020

RUCK4444 said:
Awful post. Spoken like a child.

Prove me wrong, don't sit behind your screen and call me a child. Debate, I am entitled to my own opinion and the summary of that is Ole is shi te.

pauldyson1uk · Aug 16, 2020

MrBest said:
Really? What is your counter argument? Seriously, little posters like you complain about people who have a negative opinion of Ole yet add zero substance to any debate. I'm surprised that the lack of effort or intelligence in your post does not get you warned. Seriously pathetic on your part for that. Bravo.

I asked you why Poch was deserving of you support, you never answered, so presume you have none to offer.
Has for your post :lol:

Hernandez - BFA · Aug 16, 2020

Withnail said:
Its fine.

You've no opinion on who he should have brought on so there's nothing to discuss.

Fosu-Mensah for the shattered Williams.
Ighalo for the incredibly ineffective Rashford.
McTominay for the drained Fred.

Yes - inferior players on the whole, but given we played our strongest starting eleven, it was always going to be a step down.

So yes I do have an opinion. Can you please elaborate on yours?

pauldyson1uk · Aug 16, 2020

The subs added nothing to the team, but as I said at the time tried legs needed replacing, the subs should have come much earlier.

MattofManchester · Aug 16, 2020

Are people lying to themselves here?
We were not the better team.

Sevilla, while lacking substance were arguably more composed and organized.
We looked so disjointed and really unsure of what exactly we were supposed to be doing.

We created a few chances, sure, but mostly due to mistakes that they made on occasion.

Going forward with possession, we created not much and gave the ball away far too much.

I'm sorry, but we had two of the best creative midfielders and yet we couldn't get them at all involved in the game.

Wasn't this the reason we signed Bruno? And yet, creativity was still low? Sooo, what's the excuse now?

There's too much deflecting to suit agendas ffs.

MrBest · Aug 16, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
I asked you why Poch was deserving of you support, you never answered, so presume you have none to offer.
Has for your post

Mate I gave up trying to discuss anything with you as your opening line was, dreadful post without any substance. You can ask me what Poch has offered, I can tell you, but it will be the same political story because you other than ask what Poch has offered, your post was trash talk. I was just letting you know how useful your comment was.

pauldyson1uk · Aug 16, 2020

MrBest said:
Mate I gave up trying to discuss anything with you as your opening line was, dreadful post without any substance. You can ask me what Poch has offered, I can tell you, but it will be the same political story because you other than ask what Poch has offered, your post was trash talk. I was just letting you know how useful your comment was.

Not even tried to discuss anything , but that fine.

MattofManchester · Aug 16, 2020

rollingstoned1 said:
Rashford might as well have stayed at some blm protest. He was that bad bordering on non existent. I seriously don't think james,mata or lingard would have played worse.

Racist much? In future, avoid leaving the basement.

RUCK4444 · Aug 16, 2020

MrBest said:
Prove me wrong, don't sit behind your screen and call me a child. Debate, I am entitled to my own opinion and the summary of that is Ole is shi te.

It's hard to debate with a child.

Ummmm... nah can't be bothered. Hopefully you will work it out for yourself when you've calmed down.

MrBest · Aug 16, 2020

MattofManchester said:
Are people lying to themselves here?
We were not the better team.

Sevilla, while lacking substance were arguably more composed and organized.
We looked so disjointed and really unsure of what exactly we were supposed to be doing.

We created a few chances, sure, but mostly due to mistakes that they made on occasion.

Going forward with possession, we created not much and gave the ball away far too much.

I'm sorry, but we had two of the best creative midfielders and yet we couldn't get them at all involved in the game.

Wasn't this the reason we signed Bruno? And yet, creativity was still low? Sooo, what's the excuse now?

There's too much deflecting to suit agendas ffs.

Thank you, a poster who actually talks sense. Fully agree with every line you have written. Pogba cost 80m, bruno 50m, martial 30m+, maguire 80m, lindelof 30m, AWB 50m, Fred 50m. Our squad mechanics are basic, the tactical intelligence equal to that of a rookie. we had a good run after restart but since the 3 0 villa win, we have been terrible. That is possibly 8 plus games? Some people just cannot accept that this club still needs major change and these people probably spend too much time watching the pretentious MUTV channel where everything is beautiful.

MrBest · Aug 16, 2020

RUCK4444 said:
It's hard to debate with a child.

Ummmm... nah can't be bothered. Hopefully you will work it out for yourself when you've calmed down.

Im extremely calm. You are just another poster who uses a passive aggressive nature to debate and try to override opinions by calling people a child? Very smart

.

Schmeichel's Cartwheel · Aug 16, 2020

MrBest said:
Im extremely calm. You are just another poster who uses a passive aggressive nature to debate and try to override opinions by calling people a child? Very smart .

It seems to be the way on here unfortunately. I’ve been called a child for suggesting James isn’t good enough.

DickDastardly · Aug 16, 2020

Withnail said:
Go and do the research and come back to me. I reckon you'll be wrong.

Decisions need to be made with intelligence and analytical planning.

Changes for changes sake are not that.

You'd have to rule out like for like replacements cos that's just the fresh legs angle. You'll have a fair bit of work ahead of yourself. Good luck

Would love to, honestly.

Sadly, my days in the University are far behind me, plus the 2 small children really leave no room for such a research.

I'll check out if anyone has ever done it before, that much time i do have.
I could be quite the read.

Let's say in a Premiership season - you take all the games in to the equation - in a draw situation - does the team whose manager changes first - wins.

You'd have to factor in the table positions and such, but it would be a good shout i think.

In any case, i agree - changes for changes sake are dumb.
But not changing anything in a situation like today - where you have players underperforming (Rashford, Williams, Wan Bisaka - attacking wise), you can and you should change - change players - change formations - change tactics.

But he didnt.

And my opinion is that it cost us a game.

ReallyUSA · Aug 16, 2020

Ibi Dreams said:
Lindelofs fault, for me. There's only one player in the box, Lindelof has to head the cross away or at least get in front of the man. he did neither. It's much more difficult for AWB to get his head to the ball from where he was, and he also has to consider a runner coming behind him

Honestly, I took a break and went to do some errands. I still think AWB needs to do more, but Lindelof certainly should've sent that away, you are right on there.

MrBest · Aug 16, 2020

Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
It seems to be the way on here unfortunately. I’ve been called a child for suggesting James isn’t good enough.

It's madness and even for your James suggestion. Either way, we have a full right to express an opinion. There is no examination so therefore no right and wrong answer.

MrBest · Aug 16, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
Not even tried to discuss anything , but that fine.

Have you read back your previous posts? Twice tonight you have hunted around and highlighted two posts in different threads as "the worst you have ever seen". Jumping back to the season just gone, you have plenty of, what you have described as "knee jerk" comments complaining on how poor we have been. As I said, you are just another political poster who really should try to find out what there own story is. Good luck with your future endeavours, Paul.

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