Sevilla 2:1 Manchester United

pauldyson1uk · Aug 17, 2020

MrBest said:
Have you read back your previous posts? Twice tonight you have hunted around and highlighted two posts in different threads as "the worst you have ever seen". Jumping back to the season just gone, you have plenty of, what you have described as "knee jerk" comments complaining on how poor we have been. As I said, you are just another political poster who really should try to find out what there own story is. Good luck with your future endeavours, Paul.

WOW looking back on my post, you really must be bored, but don't worry about me I will be fine, really if my posts bother you that much, there is an ignore option, please feel free to use it

ThinkTank@Cafe · Aug 17, 2020

Steven-UK said:
Really, you still think so.... we were garbage.

yes, I think so. I watch the games, you see the result

Withnail · Aug 17, 2020

Hernandez - BFA said:
Fosu-Mensah for the shattered Williams.
Ighalo for the incredibly ineffective Rashford.
McTominay for the drained Fred.

Yes - inferior players on the whole, but given we played our strongest starting eleven, it was always going to be a step down.

So yes I do have an opinion. Can you please elaborate on yours?

My opinion is that those changes would have made feck all difference and possibly would have led to us ceding possession and possibly conceding earlier.

As it happens with the players we left on the pitch we were better in the second half than the first.

I don't see any of the three you mentioned as game changers.

Withnail · Aug 17, 2020

DickDastardly said:
Would love to, honestly.

Sadly, my days in the University are far behind me, plus the 2 small children really leave no room for such a research.

I'll check out if anyone has ever done it before, that much time i do have.
I could be quite the read.

Let's say in a Premiership season - you take all the games in to the equation - in a draw situation - does the team whose manager changes first - wins.

You'd have to factor in the table positions and such, but it would be a good shout i think.

In any case, i agree - changes for changes sake are dumb.
But not changing anything in a situation like today - where you have players underperforming (Rashford, Williams, Wan Bisaka - attacking wise), you can and you should change - change players - change formations - change tactics.

But he didnt.

And my opinion is that it cost us a game.

It was the awful finishing that cost of the game. I don't see how that's even up for debate.

MrBest · Aug 17, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
WOW looking back on my post, you really must be bored, but don't worry about me I will be fine, really if my posts bother you that much, the is an ignore option, please feel free to use it

It's Sunday night, I am unfortunately unemployed because of COVID and I felt like highlighting your hypocritical nature - I did this for a living in my FD role.

Unfortunately, I cannot take a word you say seriously anymore so I will feel free to use it again, especially the next time you choose to randomly call out different posters for having an opinion.

Your response to my post previously bothered me, but now, I know you are that brave person, behind a screen posting inconsistent nonsense.

Farewell. :lol:

pauldyson1uk · Aug 17, 2020

MrBest said:
It's Sunday night, I am unfortunately unemployed because of COVID and I felt like highlighting your hypocritical nature - I did this for a living in my FD role.

Unfortunately, I cannot take a word you say seriously anymore so I will feel free to use it again, especially the next time you choose to randomly call out different posters for having an opinion.

Your response to my post previously bothered me, but now, I know you are that brave person, behind a screen posting inconsistent nonsense.

Farewell.

Fair point guilty has charged, maybe I was over zealous, no offence was meant and if took my apologies.
Sorry to hear about the unemployment , hope your situation improves.
I try to be balanced with my post, but sometimes I get annoyed and post , not a good combination.

MrBest · Aug 17, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
Fair point guilty has charged, maybe I was over zealous, no offence was meant and if took my apologies.
Sorry to hear about the unemployment , hope your situation improves.
I try to be balanced with my post, but sometimes I get annoyed and post , not a good combination.

No hard feelings and best wishes.

DickDastardly · Aug 17, 2020

Withnail said:
It was the awful finishing that cost of the game. I don't see how that's even up for debate.

Yes, Fred could have scored, that was a good chance in the first half.
Rashfords end of the first half chance was great.
Martial had two great chances.
Mason had one.

Yes, that should have been it - go 2-1 up, maybe even 3-1, end the match.

But! - take us back pass the 60 minute mark, they make two changes, slow our momentum.
The whole thing slows down a bit, after that, we're struggling a bit.
We haven't made a good chance for 10 minutes or so. They seem back in it again.
They make more changes - and bang, here comes what 76' or so, and they score.

But still we don't make a change. Not until 87'th. Not even a formation change. Not even a hail mary, get Maguire in their 16 yard box to head them down. Nothing.

I don't like that, that's all i'm saying. I think it's our weakness. And Ole's weakness.

Does he have it in him to change that? (pun intended)

Can you learn that?

I don't know. Guess we will see.

Withnail · Aug 17, 2020

DickDastardly said:
Yes, Fred could have scored, that was a good chance in the first half.
Rashfords end of the first half chance was great.
Martial had two great chances.
Mason had one.

Yes, that should have been it - go 2-1 up, maybe even 3-1, end the match.

But! - take us back pass the 60 minute mark, they make two changes, slow our momentum.
The whole thing slows down a bit, after that, we're struggling a bit.
We haven't made a good chance for 10 minutes or so. They seem back in it again.
They make more changes - and bang, here comes what 76' or so, and they score.

But still we don't make a change. Not until 87'th. Not even a formation change. Not even a hail mary, get Maguire in their 16 yard box to head them down. Nothing.

I don't like that, that's all i'm saying. I think it's our weakness. And Ole's weakness.

Does he have it in him to change that? (pun intended)

Can you learn that?

I don't know. Guess we will see.

Given some decent additions who he trusts to come off the bench then yes I think he will.

If we're still having this conversation this time next year then he'll probably be out of a job.

Overall I think it was a decent season in the end and the fact that we're moaning about why we lost a European semi-final is a good thing.

Hopefully we get a few decent options in and can kick on next year.

Tel074 · Aug 17, 2020

Ranchero said:
Any idiot can see we lost. If you dont understand the rules you have zero concept of football.

I know we lost hahaa . What you can't comprehend is you can play better than your opponent and lose . Your opinion is the winning team is always the best performer on the night which is utter bollocks

croadyman · Aug 17, 2020

VP89 said:
Sure, but this is also a factor right? How you go out in the transfer market and address the issue. As I said before this points to a desperate need in quality in depth. The likes of both Sancho and Grealish are required to give us added dimensions.

Bang on but the trouble is many here just see Grealish as a glorified backup rather than someone who could provide that spark when nothing seems to be happening whether that is starting or off the bench

Florida Man · Aug 17, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
No !!!! we should have won, missed chances and some very good keeping kept is out and the rank bad defending

The missed chances is primarily what I'm referring to with the godawful defending being a close second.

Class of 63 · Aug 17, 2020

If there's a God I hope ~~Shaktor Donet~~ ~~Shaktar Donesk~~ Internazionale batter them in the Final, and if they cheat dive and con the Ref for 95+ minutes to do it all the better. Embarrassing from them feckers last night.

7even · Aug 17, 2020

7even said:
By far our weakest area is defensively around Brandon Williams. I'm almost certain that Lopetugui will instruct Ever Banega to attack our left side, and specifically our young left fullback. I fear this set up. If we press high up with our fullbaks then Maguire and Lindelöf will be vertically exposed. If we don't then Jesus Navas and Suso will repeatedly attack young Williams until he's totally exhausted. Maguire and Matic don't have the acceleration and speed to cover if he starts to lose to many defensive duels.

Without Luke Shaw we're a different team both in our build up and defensively. The drop in quality is significant. Let's hope that Brandon has the match of his life because otherwise this game easily can become a nightmare.

Godfather said:
Hope Rashford turns up

LuisNaniencia said:
Yeah to be fair he's been the missing link in making that front 3 as lethal as it can be. One of the reasons it's clear we need competition for places.

But, I believe Rashford will be on it tonight.

Unfortunately Williams and our management didn’t prove me wrong. As expected our left side was our weakest area but I will not criticize young Brandon to much because in end it’s also up to our management to correct these things.

In the second part of the second half both Williams and Rashford was totally exhausted. It’s was clear as daylight that the longer the match went on the mistakes would come from these two.

I’n not totally blaming Ole and his coaches but Lingard or TFM could have been a better option defensively then Rashford and Williams. Even young Mendi would probably do better defending then Williams the last 30 minutes.

The drop off in quality when Luke Shaw is injured is like I said significant. We are without his acceleration, speed and strength. We also was without his overlapping and his sprints in the channels.

Brandon Williams is a great young lad with the time of his side. He will learn from this but the left side isn’t his best position.

Ole needs to give Rashford instructions how to play when his A game isn’t there. Simple things so he can become more effective in his interactions with Martial and Bruno.

Ole‘s game management isn’t his strongest side. He’s reactionary and don’t have the vision to see where things can go wrong. Either he find a coach who can complement him or this problem will cost us more victories in the future.

Class of 63 · Aug 17, 2020

7even said:
Unfortunately Williams and our management didn’t prove me wrong. As expected our left side was our weakest area but I will not criticize young Brandon to much because in end it’s also up to our management to correct these things.

In the second part of the second half both Williams and Rashford was totally exhausted. It’s was clear as daylight that the longer the match went on the mistakes would come from these two.

I’n not totally blaming Ole and his coaches but Lingard or TFM could have been a better option defensively then Rashford and Williams. Even young Mendi would probably do better defending then Williams the last 30 minutes.

The drop off in quality when Luke Shaw is injured is like I said significant. We are without his acceleration, speed and strength. We also was without his overlapping and his sprints in the channels.

Brandon Williams is a great young lad with the time of his side. He will learn from this but the left side isn’t his best position.

Ole needs to give Rashford instructions how to play when his A game isn’t there. Simple things so he can become more effective in his interactions with Martial and Bruno.

Ole‘s game management isn’t his strongest side. He’s reactionary and don’t have the vision to see where things can go wrong. Either he find a coach who can complement him or this problem will cost us more victories in the future.

You're not fooling anybody Luke, do you think if you stay off the burgers and kebabs you'll be fit and raring to go for the new season whether it's at United, or for a club more suitable for your rank averageness(word)?

kouroux · Aug 17, 2020

JPRouve said:
@kouroux why are french referees everywhere?

Confined at home, social distancing and all

DarkLord · Aug 17, 2020

So inevitable. I'm devastated, I wanted us to win this Europa League so badly.

TsuWave · Aug 17, 2020

rollingstoned1 said:
just like i thought, like flies to a steaming pile of excrement. and without even really saying that they disagree with the thrust of what i wanted to say. sign of the times i guess.
you numpties can send me a manual on 'how to fit in' before i get out of the basement. try a little less virtue signalling and a little more comprehension and critical thinking while you're at it.

You’re a weirdo.

I have no idea of what you’re talking about, quoting posts from half a year ago and going on about “Rashford should have stayed at BLM protest”, you’re such a bizarre individual.

Trex · Aug 17, 2020

Defensively we struggled in the wide areas throughout the game,both their goals came from crosses from both wings into our box, most people seem to blame this on our fullbacks I don't feel it's completely true, their tactic was to out number us out wide going 2v1/3v2 against our fullbacks,I was frustrated with the little support Rashford in particular gave Williams, today kind of reminds me of our last fixture against Arsenal it was similar how they used the wings against us

Offensively we simply lack balance, I've never really seen the MMM as an attack that would work for the long term,going forward it has to be Martial+one side forward (either Rashford/Greenwood)+one wide creative player(which we lack at the moment),our attacking play at the moment is all about one-twos around Martial and shooting from range, with nothing coming from the wings at all,neither wingers can beat a man to put a ball in the box(see both Sevilla goals),we need a creative wide player urgently and that must be addressed this window

Next season I'll like to see more balance and structure in our play,in our passing patterns and positionally,we'll never be able to compete at the top of the league without this,I hope Ole is up to this

7even · Aug 17, 2020

Class of 63 said:
You're not fooling anybody Luke, do you think if you stay off the burgers and kebabs you'll be fit and raring to go for the new season whether it's at United, or for a club more suitable for your rank averageness(word)?

Such a sad reply. I assume that you’re not on alcohol, taking drugs or have mental illness because then I would forgive your ignorance. My only other conclusion is that you know nothing about football and from now on I can’t take you seriously. Nothing personal.

DomesticTadpole · Aug 17, 2020

pauldyson1uk said:
Sancho yes, he is a must, but I doubt we will get him , CB , LB and a striker 100% yes.
Costa OMG NO.
I saw a broken Messi the other night, I said to my son, he could have played his last game for Barca, but please not to us.

If they think we can go back for Sancho next summer they could be very much mistaken. There will be far more suitors who could be a lot more attractive than us. We have had a lot better season than most thought could happen. There is no certainty that it will get better. As they say 'strike while the iron is hot'.

DomesticTadpole · Aug 17, 2020

7even said:
Unfortunately Williams and our management didn’t prove me wrong. As expected our left side was our weakest area but I will not criticize young Brandon to much because in end it’s also up to our management to correct these things.

In the second part of the second half both Williams and Rashford was totally exhausted. It’s was clear as daylight that the longer the match went on the mistakes would come from these two.

I’n not totally blaming Ole and his coaches but Lingard or TFM could have been a better option defensively then Rashford and Williams. Even young Mendi would probably do better defending then Williams the last 30 minutes.

The drop off in quality when Luke Shaw is injured is like I said significant. We are without his acceleration, speed and strength. We also was without his overlapping and his sprints in the channels.

Brandon Williams is a great young lad with the time of his side. He will learn from this but the left side isn’t his best position.

Ole needs to give Rashford instructions how to play when his A game isn’t there. Simple things so he can become more effective in his interactions with Martial and Bruno.

Ole‘s game management isn’t his strongest side. He’s reactionary and don’t have the vision to see where things can go wrong. Either he find a coach who can complement him or this problem will cost us more victories in the future.

Think Ole's problem was that he wanted an Ole to bring off the bench who will change everything and he just doesn't have one, never mind two or three of them. Lingard might have had more legs but they do not put fear into the opposition.

Feed Me · Aug 17, 2020

RedDevil@84 said:
Robbed by poor finishing. Martial, Rashford, Greenwood all wasted the chances that were created. What's the point of being one of the most talented trio in Europe.

They are streaky but we have to trust that they will become more efficient and ruthless as they mature. We need to supplement that trio with someone who is cold blooded in the here and now.

Ranchero · Aug 17, 2020

*in Alan Partridge voice* So Bono was the man of the match. Sunday Bloody Sunday.

Ranchero · Aug 17, 2020

Tel074 said:
I know we lost hahaa . What you can't comprehend is you can play better than your opponent and lose . Your opinion is the winning team is always the best performer on the night which is utter bollocks

With apologies for the repetition.
Saying we were the better team and saying we played better are two different things. The former is wrong as we lost the latter isn't.

theklr · Aug 17, 2020

croadyman said:
Bang on but the trouble is many here just see Grealish as a glorified backup rather than someone who could provide that spark when nothing seems to be happening whether that is starting or off the bench

Haha, so true. We have no game changers on the bench at all, if we get Sancho and Grealish we will have two.

Lennon7 · Aug 17, 2020

GifLord said:
Pen incident - Bruno 0:1

Do you have a video of the clear foul on Rashford where his ankle nearly got snapped? The close up?

Trying to shut my cnut mate up

Van Piorsing · Aug 17, 2020

Still can't understand how we could lose this. We had them and could win this 4:2.

RedDevil@84 · Aug 17, 2020

Van Piorsing said:
Still can't understand how we could lose this. We had them and could win this 4:2.

Poor finishing

Van Piorsing · Aug 17, 2020

RedDevil@84 said:
Poor finishing

Thanks. I can leave the thread now.

RedDevil@84 · Aug 17, 2020

Van Piorsing said:
Thanks. I can leave the thread now.

Luckily, not everything in the world is a huge mystery

Knux · Aug 17, 2020

After the first half chances that we didn’t take. And especially after coming out in second half with all guns blazing and still couldn’t score. I started to see after 60 min that some players we’re tired and literally gave up. Rashford should’ve been subbed after 60. Greenwood and Williams too.

Some fresh legs earlier and the result could be different. Well well.. It wasn’t our night.

GifLord · Aug 17, 2020

Lennon7 said:
Do you have a video of the clear foul on Rashford where his ankle nearly got snapped? The close up?

Trying to shut my cnut mate up

time stamp?

Withnail · Aug 17, 2020

GifLord said:
time stamp?

I presume he means the tackle which gave away the penalty.

OleTheGreat · Aug 17, 2020

What a game? We have multiple chances to get to 3-1/4-1, but we didn't do that, and I told my friend that it was over because I knew the legs would get tired and Sevilla would push towards the end and get it done. I could literally see us just pushing the ball to each other's feet and lay low rather than going for it. It was our 61st game and I'd expect this but I cannot imagine we'd just let it go so easily. Maybe if there were a crowd, it would've made a difference. Anyway, our football wasn't so great even though we created some glorious chances but failed to convert them. They punished us for that, and we are out of the competition, just like so.

I hope Ole learns from this, our midfield is not functioning smoothly. We desperately need a Defensive midfielder who can call the shots because I don't think Pogba is able to do that. He was all over the place and so was Fred. I will not blame Bruno because he is supposed to play as part of the front 4. We need a player like Declan Rice to come in and sit in front of the defense and play both Pogba and Bruno in. Pogba and Bruno must play as #8s and push forward. That's the only way we can get better. Our right side plays are pathetic, we always always prefer the left and that is very predictable. Sevilla played well within their limits and did the right things and hats off to their Keeper, who did an amazing job. Good luck to them, I hope they get to the finals and beat Inter.

We need reinforcements! Desperately!

GifLord · Aug 17, 2020

Tackle on Rashford - multiple angles

Class of 63 · Aug 17, 2020

7even said:
Such a sad reply. I assume that you’re not on alcohol, taking drugs or have mental illness because then I would forgive your ignorance. My only other conclusion is that you know nothing about football and from now on I can’t take you seriously. Nothing personal.

If you really believe Luke Shaw would have made a shite of difference last night I suggest it's you that knows nuffin about football.

Not taken personally, I'm sure at times I only come on here to get insulted anyway.

Offsideagain · Aug 17, 2020

Reminded me of the Newcastle game a few seasons ago when we battered them but couldn’t score. Said before that Martial is a good player but not yet top drawer. Aqueous or Kane would have scored at least two of the chances we missed. Always next season.

7even · Aug 17, 2020

Class of 63 said:
If you really believe Luke Shaw would have made a shite of difference last night I suggest it's you that knows nuffin about football.

Not taken personally, I'm sure at times I only come on here to get insulted anyway.

First you trying to insult both me and Luke Shaw with silly comments about Burgers and Kebab, his fitness and how average he is. Good start.

FYI my take on Shaw is that his last five months has been his best since his horrible injury. Since the PL restart he has been one of our best players and a vital part of our starting eleven. If you can’t see the difference between our team with or without Shaw then we see football differently.

Back to Williams then his game yesterday was not his best but that’s not his fault. Ole should have subbed him after 60 min. Brandon is young and will improve with experience but against Jesus Navas and Suso he struggled because he couldn’t cope with their speed and tempo.

Seville’s first goal was partly on him, their second was also partly his fault because he was exhausted and didn’t defended tight enough.

I’m sure he will improve but right now Luke Shaw is a much better defender and when we’re without him our left side is weaker.

Lennon7 · Aug 17, 2020

GifLord said:
time stamp?

Ah don’t worry about it mate. Wasn’t shown the same time as the goal, was way later on in the post match analysis I think.

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