Young Boys 0:3 Manchester United

luke511 · Sep 16, 2018

meamth said:
Put some physical beasts like Fellaini, Bailly, Lukaku, Valencia, Matic and win gritty. Yes, we have to win this dirty.

Beautiful football can feck off, I want a win.

Playing good football gives you a much better chance of winning believe it or not.

prateik · Sep 16, 2018

It wont be easy.. and its not a piss easy group either. I think Jose will go with a really strong team. We need this win.
Would love to see some kids, but dont see it happening.

meamth · Sep 16, 2018

luke511 said:
Playing good football gives you a much better chance of winning believe it or not.

For example, vs Tottenham?

luke511 · Sep 16, 2018

meamth said:
For example, vs Tottenham?

You think that second half was good football?

meamth · Sep 16, 2018

luke511 said:
You think that second half was good football?

What team of a successful side play 90 mins of pure entertaining football? Must be doping.

Nikelesh Reddy · Sep 16, 2018

This is what it’s all about....Can’t wait for the CL to begin!!!

freeurmind · Sep 16, 2018

Valencia Bailly Smalling Shaw
Herrera
Fred Matic
Mata Martial
Rashford

Canuckred64 · Sep 16, 2018

Seems like we have lost access to Champions league football in Canada. DAZN has the rights now, a online streaming service. Does anyone know anything about them?

12OunceEpilogue · Sep 16, 2018

It'll be a strong team. I'd like to see the likes of Fred, Martial and Andreas come back in and a debut for Dalot would be lovely. Nothing but a win is enough as six points from the minnows is a must in this tricky group.

Javi · Sep 16, 2018

Canuckred64 said:
Seems like we have lost access to Champions league football in Canada. DAZN has the rights now, a online streaming service. Does anyone know anything about them?

A lot of my friends have DAZN and it's ok. Staff and commentators are - naturally - low budget but I have yet to bother since we are talking through the game anyway. Makes aquiring Google Chromecast mandatory if you want to keep watching on your TV screen though since they only have an app.

RedTiger · Sep 16, 2018

freeurmind said:
Valencia Bailly Smalling Shaw
Herrera
Fred Matic
Mata Martial
Rashford

Pretty much.

Hound Dog · Sep 16, 2018

A bit of info regarding Young Boys.

First of all, they play on artificial turf, that always deserves a mention, as it is an advantage.

Second, they are the type of team that is well-equipped to batter lesser sides (hence their domestic record), but are really not well suited to playing against sides better than them, with the reason for this being that they are far better going forward than at the back. Think of non-peak Arsenal under Wenger, well, that's the type of mentality they have.

They lost their highly-rated boss Adolf Hutter (pronounced Adolf Hitter - cannot make it up) over the summer. His replacement, Gerardo Seoane, has a grand total of nine months of senior coaching experience, having started his A-team managerial career at Luzern in January. He has done reasonably well so far, but the CL group stage will be his biggest test.

They made the group stage after beating Dinamo Zagreb 3:2 on aggregate. Dinamo, who are the worst they have been in years, lead the return leg 1:0 and were in control, but then self-combusted and conceded twice in three minutes to go out. Other than the two chances from which they scored, Young Boys created nothing.

Players to watch are Guillaume Hoarau (a poor man's Ibrahimovic), Miralem Sulejmani, Moumi Ngmaleu (who could both do job as wingers at sides such as Burnley and Huddersfield), Roger Assale and Kevin Mbabu. I expect Assale and Mbabu to move to better leagues - the former is a skillful and pacy striker, the latter is a right-back who is far better going forward than defending.

I will once again repeat my point about Young Boys not being equipped to face stronger teams. They are pretty mediocre at the back and are not that good at counter-attacking. The central midfield is also not very good and, if United try to play "the new way", which was first seen against Tottenham, they should have no problems winning this.

ryan_forlan · Sep 17, 2018

We need 6 points from Young Boys and 4 from Valencia. Anything less from those 4 games and we could be in trouble. We can't bring out the bench for this one, like many have suggested. The back 4 will have to be solid, Valencia is a must and whomever Mou decides to be the best CB combination. We know Shaw will start. Matic will start as he has weekend off. Fred has played in that stadium before, I am expecting him to start. I would love for Perreira to be the third CM, but I feel it will be Pogba.
I expect Rashford to start, as he has weekend off, Lukaku will start for sure. I hope Martial magically starts, but seems doubtful to me. I would love it if we try a game with Lingard on the bench. Hope it is this one. If Martial does not start this game, I hope he starts on the weekend.

Having said all of that, I fancy us Vs Juve at OT. Ronnie to miss a pen :-p

Alabaster Codify7 · Sep 17, 2018

Hound Dog said:
A bit of info regarding Young Boys.

First of all, they play on artificial turf, that always deserves a mention, as it is an advantage.

Second, they are the type of team that is well-equipped to batter lesser sides (hence their domestic record), but are really not well suited to playing against sides better than them, with the reason for this being that they are far better going forward than at the back. Think of non-peak Arsenal under Wenger, well, that's the type of mentality they have.

They lost their highly-rated boss Adolf Hutter (pronounced Adolf Hitter - cannot make it up) over the summer. His replacement, Gerardo Seoane, has a grand total of nine months of senior coaching experience, having started his A-team managerial career at Luzern in January. He has done reasonably well so far, but the CL group stage will be his biggest test.

They made the group stage after beating Dinamo Zagreb 3:2 on aggregate. Dinamo, who are the worst they have been in years, lead the return leg 1:0 and were in control, but then self-combusted and conceded twice in three minutes to go out. Other than the two chances from which they scored, Young Boys created nothing.

Players to watch are Guillaume Hoarau (a poor man's Ibrahimovic), Miralem Sulejmani, Moumi Ngmaleu (who could both do job as wingers at sides such as Burnley and Huddersfield), Roger Assale and Kevin Mbabu. I expect Assale and Mbabu to move to better leagues - the former is a skillful and pacy striker, the latter is a right-back who is far better going forward than defending.

I will once again repeat my point about Young Boys not being equipped to face stronger teams. They are pretty mediocre at the back and are not that good at counter-attacking. The central midfield is also not very good and, if United try to play "the new way", which was first seen against Tottenham, they should have no problems winning this.

Exactly the type of post I was hoping for,cheers for the lowdown man!

MyOnlySolskjaer · Sep 17, 2018

Hound Dog said:
A bit of info regarding Young Boys.

First of all, they play on artificial turf, that always deserves a mention, as it is an advantage.

Second, they are the type of team that is well-equipped to batter lesser sides (hence their domestic record), but are really not well suited to playing against sides better than them, with the reason for this being that they are far better going forward than at the back. Think of non-peak Arsenal under Wenger, well, that's the type of mentality they have.

They lost their highly-rated boss Adolf Hutter (pronounced Adolf Hitter - cannot make it up) over the summer. His replacement, Gerardo Seoane, has a grand total of nine months of senior coaching experience, having started his A-team managerial career at Luzern in January. He has done reasonably well so far, but the CL group stage will be his biggest test.

They made the group stage after beating Dinamo Zagreb 3:2 on aggregate. Dinamo, who are the worst they have been in years, lead the return leg 1:0 and were in control, but then self-combusted and conceded twice in three minutes to go out. Other than the two chances from which they scored, Young Boys created nothing.

Players to watch are Guillaume Hoarau (a poor man's Ibrahimovic), Miralem Sulejmani, Moumi Ngmaleu (who could both do job as wingers at sides such as Burnley and Huddersfield), Roger Assale and Kevin Mbabu. I expect Assale and Mbabu to move to better leagues - the former is a skillful and pacy striker, the latter is a right-back who is far better going forward than defending.

I will once again repeat my point about Young Boys not being equipped to face stronger teams. They are pretty mediocre at the back and are not that good at counter-attacking. The central midfield is also not very good and, if United try to play "the new way", which was first seen against Tottenham, they should have no problems winning this.

Interesting read, thanks for this! @Hound Dog

MyOnlySolskjaer · Sep 17, 2018

Probably not popular but I'd like us to start Lukaku over rotating him for Martial/Rashford, get him a couple goals early and build his confidence for the latter rounds. I bet he'd feel great if he comes out of our group with 4 or 5 goals.

Sarni · Sep 17, 2018

I don’t usually like us going to Switzerland because we always seem to lose to Basel there but Young Boys are much less experienced in Europe than them. I don’t think it’s going to be an easy games as there aren’t poor teams in Champions League but we should be able to win.

Offsideagain · Sep 17, 2018

Away at Wankdorf, seriously that’s the location! They score goals and are quite young so full of running. We need to get a grip early on to demoralise them but, we usually start quite slowly wherever we play so it will be a squeaky bum job.

tidraKS · Sep 17, 2018

Anyone who thinks Pogba and Lukaku will not start surely doesn't know Mou at all. We will start our best possible team, which I think will be quite similar to Watford, maybe 1-2 changes at max. 2 games against Young Boys are must wins.

Greck · Sep 17, 2018

ArditVula said:
Anyone who thinks Pogba and Lukaku will not start surely doesn't know Mou at all. We will start our best possible team, which I think will be quite similar to Watford, maybe 1-2 changes at max. 2 games against Young Boys are must wins.

Yeah we can't risk dropping points here and have the tougher fixtures become must-win situations. Reckon we'll play our strongest side for the 3 points then play for draws against Juve and/or Val away

SER19 · Sep 17, 2018

Cant afford any mess ups in either game against these- has to be 6pts. Would like to see rashford martial lukaku and a good load of fast breaks

tenpoless · Sep 17, 2018

I didn't know if Ashley Young had so many children.

nemanja15 · Sep 17, 2018

de Gea

Valencia
Smalling
Lindelof
Shaw

Matic
Fred
Pogba

Mata
Sanchez
Lukaku

SUBS: S. Romero, Young, Bailly, Fellaini, Lingard, Martial, Rashford.

Zlatattack · Sep 17, 2018

I'd field a very strong side. Juve are going to be tough and Valencia are in some poor form right now, but not a bad team. We need to focus on 6 points against these lot.

kentafuji · Sep 17, 2018

I'd like to see a strong team out, beat them comfortably, and continue gaining confidence from good performances and wins

doomy20 · Sep 17, 2018

Canuckred64 said:
Seems like we have lost access to Champions league football in Canada. DAZN has the rights now, a online streaming service. Does anyone know anything about them?

I don´t know about the Canadian market but here in Austria DAZN is the best thing that could ever happen, simple amazing. For 9.99/month you get every big European league (apart German Bundesliga) live (5-6 games per matchday) - England 1&2, France, Italy and various other smaller leagues like Japan, Norway and so on plus international games. Full Europa League and about 80% of all Champions League fixtures. Massive amount of US SPORTS like NFL (incl. the Redzone channel), MLB, NBA. On top of that they have various other sports like all big Darts tournaments, golf, tennis ... and the best thing is, you can even share your account with a mate, so 5 bucks each.

Canagel · Sep 17, 2018

Must win game. We need 6 points in these two games.

Catt · Sep 17, 2018

freeurmind said:
Valencia Bailly Smalling Shaw
Herrera
Fred Matic
Mata Martial
Rashford

Dropping Pogba and Lukaku is a bad idea.

Sarni · Sep 17, 2018

I don’t get the idea to rest key players for this game. It’s arguably more important than the game against Wolves in the league because it will set up the way we play in the next three CL games. Drop points here and we will have to collect more than 6 points against Valencia and Juventus as we cannot count on them dropping points in Switzerland.

Kapardin · Sep 17, 2018

Sarni said:
I don’t get the idea to rest key players for this game. It’s arguably more important than the game against Wolves in the league because it will set up the way we play in the next three CL games. Drop points here and we will have to collect more than 6 points against Valencia and Juventus as we cannot count on them dropping points in Switzerland.

Yep, we have to win both the Young Boys games. At OT, we could probably win even if not playing in full gear, but away games are always a potential banana skin no matter who the opposition is.

I expect both Valencia and Juve to go for 6 points against YB, so we should as well. And it's also a nice cushion if YB upset one of the other two by even drawing with them, which would make us favourites for 2nd place in the group atleast.

Sarni · Sep 17, 2018

Kapardin said:
Yep, we have to win both the Young Boys games. At OT, we could probably win even if not playing in full gear, but away games are always a potential banana skin no matter who the opposition is.

I expect both Valencia and Juve to go for 6 points against YB, so we should as well. And it's also a nice cushion if YB upset one of the other two by even drawing with them, which would make us favourites for 2nd place in the group atleast.

Yep. And they probably will get at least 1 point off of somebody so it better not be us.

freeurmind · Sep 17, 2018

Red Katie said:
Dropping Pogba and Lukaku is a bad idea.

Sarni said:
I don’t get the idea to rest key players for this game. It’s arguably more important than the game against Wolves in the league because it will set up the way we play in the next three CL games. Drop points here and we will have to collect more than 6 points against Valencia and Juventus as we cannot count on them dropping points in Switzerland.

Personally, I'd rather we focus on the league. We're not going to win the CL, whether we go out in the gorup stages or in the kockout phase is irrelevant for me personally. We should be beating Valencia (who look awful so far) but Juve will be a tough nut to crack. We've got to rotate, we ran Pogba and Luakaku into the gorund last season, no point having a squad if it's not going to be used and the younger players need opporutnities. If we're saying we have to play our strongest eleven to beat Young Boys then we have serious issues with the squad anyways. Top 4 is going to be a war this year, Chelsea and Arsenal look miles better than last year and Spurs have already beaten us at OT even though theyve lost their last 2. City and Liverpool already have a decent lead on us. I'd keep the big guns on the bench and bring them on early in the second half if we're struggling. Wolves will be a tough game, they have a very decent side, rather rest our best players for that.

cyberman · Sep 17, 2018

ArditVula said:
Anyone who thinks Pogba and Lukaku will not start surely doesn't know Mou at all. We will start our best possible team, which I think will be quite similar to Watford, maybe 1-2 changes at max. 2 games against Young Boys are must wins.

Well to top the group maybe but Valencia are winless in 4 games, they're no better than YB at the moment.

Irish Jet · Sep 17, 2018

We shouldn't be making too many changes anyways - What really hurt us in the first three games was the team lacking any sort of cohesion - At the back especially. I think the Carabao Cup will be used to bed others into the first team setup - We can't be taking chances in this fixture. I'd have considered resting Matic but he's got a suspension pending anyways.

De Gea

Valencia Smalling Lindelof Shaw

Herrera Matic Pogba

Lingard Lukaku Rashford

shamans · Sep 17, 2018

Lukaku will be going in hard for this. Don't think Young boys will be able to cope with his relentless strength and pace.

haram · Sep 17, 2018

Hound Dog said:
A bit of info regarding Young Boys.

First of all, they play on artificial turf, that always deserves a mention, as it is an advantage.

Second, they are the type of team that is well-equipped to batter lesser sides (hence their domestic record), but are really not well suited to playing against sides better than them, with the reason for this being that they are far better going forward than at the back. Think of non-peak Arsenal under Wenger, well, that's the type of mentality they have.

They lost their highly-rated boss Adolf Hutter (pronounced Adolf Hitter - cannot make it up) over the summer. His replacement, Gerardo Seoane, has a grand total of nine months of senior coaching experience, having started his A-team managerial career at Luzern in January. He has done reasonably well so far, but the CL group stage will be his biggest test.

They made the group stage after beating Dinamo Zagreb 3:2 on aggregate. Dinamo, who are the worst they have been in years, lead the return leg 1:0 and were in control, but then self-combusted and conceded twice in three minutes to go out. Other than the two chances from which they scored, Young Boys created nothing.

Players to watch are Guillaume Hoarau (a poor man's Ibrahimovic), Miralem Sulejmani, Moumi Ngmaleu (who could both do job as wingers at sides such as Burnley and Huddersfield), Roger Assale and Kevin Mbabu. I expect Assale and Mbabu to move to better leagues - the former is a skillful and pacy striker, the latter is a right-back who is far better going forward than defending.

I will once again repeat my point about Young Boys not being equipped to face stronger teams. They are pretty mediocre at the back and are not that good at counter-attacking. The central midfield is also not very good and, if United try to play "the new way", which was first seen against Tottenham, they should have no problems winning this.

Nice post, much appreciated.

Sarni · Sep 17, 2018

freeurmind said:
Personally, I'd rather we focus on the league. We're not going to win the CL, whether we go out in the gorup stages or in the kockout phase is irrelevant for me personally. We should be beating Valencia (who look awful so far) but Juve will be a tough nut to crack. We've got to rotate, we ran Pogba and Luakaku into the gorund last season, no point having a squad if it's not going to be used and the younger players need opporutnities. If we're saying we have to play our strongest eleven to beat Young Boys then we have serious issues with the squad anyways. Top 4 is going to be a war this year, Chelsea and Arsenal look miles better than last year and Spurs have already beaten us at OT even though theyve lost their last 2. City and Liverpool already have a decent lead on us. I'd keep the big guns on the bench and bring them on early in the second half if we're struggling. Wolves will be a tough game, they have a very decent side, rather rest our best players for that.

We probably aren’t going to win the league either, so focusing in the league to make top 4 and play Champions League only to then not care about it doesn’t really make much sense.

Cloud7 · Sep 17, 2018

We should probably spend a few days training with the Catholic Church to make sure we’re adequately prepared.

ash_86 · Sep 17, 2018

SHAW TO START AGAINST YOUNG BOYS
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/early-team-news-for-young-boys-clash

Canagel · Sep 17, 2018

freeurmind said:
Personally, I'd rather we focus on the league. We're not going to win the CL, whether we go out in the gorup stages or in the kockout phase is irrelevant for me personally. We should be beating Valencia (who look awful so far) but Juve will be a tough nut to crack. We've got to rotate, we ran Pogba and Luakaku into the gorund last season, no point having a squad if it's not going to be used and the younger players need opporutnities. If we're saying we have to play our strongest eleven to beat Young Boys then we have serious issues with the squad anyways. Top 4 is going to be a war this year, Chelsea and Arsenal look miles better than last year and Spurs have already beaten us at OT even though theyve lost their last 2. City and Liverpool already have a decent lead on us. I'd keep the big guns on the bench and bring them on early in the second half if we're struggling. Wolves will be a tough game, they have a very decent side, rather rest our best players for that.

Getting to the knockout stages is important imo. Even if we aren't going to win the CL the experience is something important and we are a team that needs to build its profile in the CL again, playing against the top teams of the world. 31 of the 32 teams will be dissapointed in the end but it doesn't mean they throw the competition away totally. We need to aim for the best results always. Real didn't go past last 16 for 6 or 7 years but once they broke that barrier look at the success that followed. It would be embarrassing to exit at the group stage again plus don't forget we would be likely to drop down to EL again so it wouldn't make any difference to our top 4 challenge if anything it would be even worse.

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