It is very much a big deal, whether he knows it or not, he is in media now and has a lot of coverage, he has to know the facts before spewing shit on national media. I see with all the fake news right-wing hate mongers in the media these days, share a completely fake news against minorities or post or talk about fake news and after it creates enough buzz they simply "backtrack" or "apologize" for their mistake. People in media should know the facts before talking about it.
Will the club ever call Gary Neville out on his bs?
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If anyone is blaming Neville for the racism then actually they are part of the problem-what you are doing is perpetuating a negativity in that regard.
1- Neville is paid to give his opinion, he's not a spokes person for the club so can say whatever the hell he wants. If the club start lowering themselves to respond to every big of negativity from pundits in the media they'll be there forever
2- While yes his rant on Pogba was miss-informed and told the world basically what he really thinks of Pogba you cant blame Neville for the repercussions of idiots on social media
He is not sitting in the sidelines cheering on the team you know? He is playing in one of the most important positions on the pitch and had a howler of a miss and was crap through out the game. Neville could have analyzed the technical aspect of the game but he chose to go personal calling a player selfish, greedy and whatnot without knowing the facts.
Sure but Pogba was selfish in that situation. Its a crucial moment for us and Pogba's penalty record is a little over 2 scored out of every 3. Rashford has been dynamite at penalties so far with a 100% record so he would have been much the better player to take them.
Many City fans bemoan Aguero taking penalties given his below average outcomes at them but City score far more goals than us so can afford him the indulgence better than us, same with Messi at Barca.
As soon as the final whistle blew Pogba lifted his shirt to cover his face, he knew that he'd messed up big time.
Lingard didn't have any howlers either, he had a difficult chance on the half volley with the ball slightly behind him and messed it up.
Honestly I'm a bit scared about the number of "freedom of speech innit", "he can whatever he wants", "he is not responsible for what other idiots do" type of comments, we are living in a digital age where fake news peddling is causing so much trouble and hate is being spread against minorities and others using these fake news. Gary Neville is not just a football pundit, he is in media, his opinions however idiotic have repercussions, it might push racist idiots who are already on edge to cause racist abuse because Neville had a national platform and chose to spew shit without knowing facts.
I don't exactly know the stats, but on TV they show last five penalties taken and I remember seeing a red dot for Pogba and another red dot for Rashford, so Rashford hasn't exactly been a dynamite. Plus like Rashford explained, the system at United is that whoever win the pen, takes the pen, so I don't know how Pogba was selfish(I didn't see him arguing with Rashford for the ball). Yes Pogba knew he messed up big time but doesn't mean he was selfish. It was an howler for Lingard.
I remember his cringey interview with Ole after PSG 2nd leg. It was banter between friends, sure but he did it in live media coverage that pushed everyone further to the "Ole in" before season ended.
I am not saying it was the only reason fans jumped on Ole's hype train but how can anyone not see Neville has agenda? That's painfully obvious.
Neville's United' legend as player, he's not our legend as Skysport's pundit ffs. What has he done for United since he retired as a footballer? He changes his opinion in a few months and by being very vocal to certain subjects yet thing barely changed ever since, I'd say his criticism is as "fair" as any Caf poster'.
Consistency, do one Neville.
I am not saying it was the only reason fans jumped on Ole's hype train but how can anyone not see Neville has agenda? That's painfully obvious.
Neville's United' legend as player, he's not our legend as Skysport's pundit ffs. What has he done for United since he retired as a footballer? He changes his opinion in a few months and by being very vocal to certain subjects yet thing barely changed ever since, I'd say his criticism is as "fair" as any Caf poster'.
Consistency, do one Neville.
It wasn't a howler from Lingard though, it was a hard technique to pull off, something you'd see Van Persie manage but Lingard isn't that level of finisher.
Rashford has a 100% record from 6 career penalties to as far as I'm aware. I think all of them have been unsavable too.
Pogba's conversion rate is 72% which is below the global average of about 80%.
Should the club call out redcafe for the ridiculous amount of shite that gets posted here on a public forum?
He hasn't missed a penalty for us, don't think he's missed one for England either. So what you're doing is exactly what you're accusing Neville of, you're spouting unchecked uneducated bullshit, spreading 'fake news' and 'hate mongering' against Neville because, again, you're making statements without even bothering to checking the stats and 'knowing the truth'.
This thread and the whole outrage at Neville in a nutshell ladies and gents. You are as much a part of a problem as Neville in this case.
Quite. Pretty sure they said on a clip from sky sports this morning that Rashford has scored 4 from his last 4 or something.
Please stop it with these threads.
Okay I made a mistake but I'm not calling Rashford names or anything am I? I'm also not in media with a national audience am I?
Classic Neville the other night. He’s in such a rush to sensationalise that he jumps the gun and ends up looking like a prize plum.
What rant about Pogba?
He didn't rant about Pogba at all...
Maybe you need to stop reading sensationalist tabloid headlines and basing your opinion on them.
Also; Gary Neville is a pundit. He is paid for his opinion.
I don't rate him as a pundit as I think he wears his heart on his sleeve too much and takes himself way too seriously. But why would the club complain about a pundit's opinion? And if they were to complain about pundits (which they wouldn't because that would be stupid) there are dozens of pundits in line ahead of Gary Neville to recieve complaints about their opinions on our club.
This is one of the most ludicrous threads on the Caf.
Cant stand Neville the commentator. His nasal tones and holier than thou attitude. Shows what he knew about tactics and managing a team when he managed Valencia. Cant stand any old player rubbishing the club, the players etc now. He was lucky to play in a team of mostly WC players. If he was our RB now he would know what its really like to play in a team that doesnt just turn up expecting to win 90% of the time.
And Neville wasn't calling Pogba names either, he was criticising his display and his attitude on the pitch. The criticism wasn't unwarranted either given Pogba's shit penalties record. Him being on a national telly isn't down to the fact that he's loved for throwing shit at players but because 1) he's made for himself as a player, 2) has football nous and 3) funnily enough he's more likely to be in the know of how things look behind the scenes than anybody here, especially those who sling shit at him because they simply dislike his opinions, starting from admittedly idiotic pro-English bias to defending Mourinho.
Trying to pin racist abuse from idiots on twitter on any pundit is laughable. It's pretty much as idiotic as the Sun or some other rag trying to pin some blame on Sterling for his shit AK tattoo when some shooting happened.
Edit: woops, not anti-English, obviously pro-English.
Just to continue this thought. You can't criticise, say, Trump or Putin unless you've been a president of a large country?
Football is a results-oriented sport/business. If you're not doing something right, everyone can see it, Gary Neville included.
He can say whatever he thinks. It's his job actually. What's this drama all about?
After two good results the caf needed to get creative on finding stuff to moan about
Was Pogba the worst performer on the pitch on that match? He created the penalty FFS, like already explained he took the penalty because that's how OGS apparently wants penalties to be taken(Rashford's words not mine), he did not argue for the penalty like so many players do, he just took the penalty. so Pogba missed a penalty, suddenly he is selfish and his attitude is poor? Has no other player in the world missed a penalty? Any world class player will take the penalty when it's given to them, it's only poor attitude when a player is afraid that he may miss and passes the chance.
And Neville deserves all the shit he gets for his pro-English bias, it's not a small thing either, his bias is a huge deal and should get called out. And I'm not pinning any blame on Neville for the racist abuse, just saying he should pick his words carefully going forward.
Bollocks !! I'm a fan of United for over 30 years and I've been a season ticket holder for most of them years . Gary Neville is and was a United fan long before he played for his club .
He has zero Ill feelings towards the club but he does like any fan call it when he sees things wrong .
So by what you say No1 has the right to call out the horrendous job our CEO has done along with them parasite owners in running us from regular champions into a team struggling to be a top 6 side .
Neville was stop on about Pogba on Monday night because anyone standing beside me was saying the exact same thing before he even took the pen . Nevilles one problem is that he is a fan and right after game when passions are running high he gets carried away just like Cara does about Liverpool . To use him as any excuse for some complete clowns racially abusing Pogba is embarrassing. We where all saying the same thing at the game but No1 racially abused Pogba. These clowns do it then retro push the blame onto others . There's one person to blame for abusing Pogba or any other human being online and that's the idiot who types the messages .
Again Neville is spot on with his criticism of Woodward and he has every right to question him like every single other United fan does . Remember we will still be fans long after the Glazers and Ed ride of into the sunset with their pockets lined with United money .
Maybe if you watched the full after match analysis ud see how he praised Pogba and has him down last week to be his player of the season . But ignore all that and go for the usual daily sun bullshit story
Usually defend him and he definitely has a right to voice his opinion on United (positive, negative or whichever he feels it's appropriate atm). But Pogba rant was a bit weird, especially in the sense that just 2 weeks ago he called out for patience and not panic among the fans. And then reacted as 12-year old after what was a good performance from both the team and Pogba imo.
The club shouldn't do anything, Ole can though if he thinks it was out of the line and feels the need to defend his players.
The club shouldn't do anything, Ole can though if he thinks it was out of the line and feels the need to defend his players.
How many people exactly have the expertise to question that?
I also think anger towards Pogba was perfectly justified and Gary Neville was correct. Obviously racial abuse towards Pogba was not justified.
The issue with social media in general is that it is easy for people to forget that there are human beings that run these accounts so people don't act the way they would on an interpersonal level. That doesn't make social media abuse fine, but social media in general is not a nice place. That is why I broke free from twitter/facebook and haven't looked back.
He's taken 2 penalties for us ever, PSG & Chelsea. Where has the other 2 come from? England friendlies ?
Did he say he was? So what that he created the pen, did he also create all the 12 (4 out of which he missed) penalties last season? Pogba is selfish in regards to the penalties because as explained ad infinitum already he's got fecking shit scoring record of those and Rashford just scored one the previous week.
By the same logic Pogba deserves all the shit he gets for fecking up the penalty, it's not a small thing either, the selfishness is a huge deal and should get called out. See what I did there? And yes, when you're saying that 'he could push the racists who are already on the edge', you're basically blaming him for thing he's got virtually no jurisdiction over. If you cannot see then, then heh, perhaps you should pick your words more carefully going forward.
What has the running of a club got to do with him coaching Valencia ? While you ignore the fact he actually runs a club himself . The posts on here make me dispair at times
Yeah it’s weird the way people gloss over that like it’s normal, it’s not acceptable in any other walk of life so why is it tolerated in football?
Pundit isn’t a serious job and I don’t know why people are arsed. Pundits are there for entertainment. But the main negative about Neville is he’s a Glazer puppet. Hasn’t called them out when he has a platform to do so
What has he said that isn't backed up by facts?
The fact that you disagree with him is irrelevant on the point of whether or not he's right.
Neville doesn't have to like Pogba just because 20 guys on twitter posted stupid things about him. I know a lot of people in this very thread usually say that people who dislike Pogba are stupid, brainwashed or plain racist but the fact of the matter is that it's OK to dislike or even hate Pogba. Sorry.
I really don't understand the issue people have with Neville.
I was at the game but have since watched MNF and Neville's post-game clips and I really can't see what's caused all of this fuss.
He might have gone a bit over the top calling the incident 'embarrassing' and suggesting that some other player should have demonstrated leadership by stepping over to Pogba and insisting he give it to Rashford (which would have been far more embarrassing). But I think most of the fanbase agree with his two main points - firstly that this should be sorted before the match starts because letting the player who earns the penalty take it is ridiculous; and secondly that the player with a 100% record who scored a brilliant penalty last week should have been an absolute shoo-in to take it.
Still, it's his job to give his opinion and he went some way in backtracking on MNF when he saw the footage of Pogba and Rashford talking a couple of times and heard the Rashford interview.
The opening post reads like a hysterical, defensive reaction to any criticism of the club or the OP's favourite players.
He's a pundit who is paid to give his opinions. When he says controversial stuff, he gets more feedback, views and engagement. Compared to some United talking heads I think he's quite calm and level-headed and his passion for United comes through most times I've heard him speak.
If you disagree with his analysis, fine, that's your prerogative and you have hundreds of other sources available to you for United discussion. But calling for the club to publicly react because he said some mean things about our world record signing missing a penalty is just ludicrous.
I was at the game but have since watched MNF and Neville's post-game clips and I really can't see what's caused all of this fuss.
He might have gone a bit over the top calling the incident 'embarrassing' and suggesting that some other player should have demonstrated leadership by stepping over to Pogba and insisting he give it to Rashford (which would have been far more embarrassing). But I think most of the fanbase agree with his two main points - firstly that this should be sorted before the match starts because letting the player who earns the penalty take it is ridiculous; and secondly that the player with a 100% record who scored a brilliant penalty last week should have been an absolute shoo-in to take it.
Still, it's his job to give his opinion and he went some way in backtracking on MNF when he saw the footage of Pogba and Rashford talking a couple of times and heard the Rashford interview.
The opening post reads like a hysterical, defensive reaction to any criticism of the club or the OP's favourite players.
He's a pundit who is paid to give his opinions. When he says controversial stuff, he gets more feedback, views and engagement. Compared to some United talking heads I think he's quite calm and level-headed and his passion for United comes through most times I've heard him speak.
If you disagree with his analysis, fine, that's your prerogative and you have hundreds of other sources available to you for United discussion. But calling for the club to publicly react because he said some mean things about our world record signing missing a penalty is just ludicrous.
What, being biased towards your compatriot, especially on a (in this case) British telly? You do realise that it's happening all over the world, right? I find it vomit inducing as well whenever that happens with Polish players abroad, talking them up, overrating them and all sorts of shit, live commentary, journalism or punditry, but if I don't want to listen to the brown-nosing fest I simply switch the channel and don't listen to this particular bias.
God I love taking the piss out of Ingurlishmen with their 'comin' 'ome' shit and all that but people are looking for, as a Polish proverb says, square eggs here.
The reason why Gary Neville never calls out Jesse Lingard is simple and sincere - Jesse gives his all on the pitch and in training. He's chatty on social media but 100 percent loyal to the club publicly and privately. In fact, believe it or not, Jesse is similar in his role to that played by the much maligned Phil Neville.
Sir Alex Ferguson and England managers always rated Phil because as Sir Alex wrote 'He would have run through a brick wall if I had asked him.' A 100 percent professional who was an outstanding utility player - he would fill in gaps and always put the team first. Jesse has similarly been rated by LVG, Mourinho and now Ole - he keeps to the manager's directives and is reliable. It's a shame some United fans won't see this or refuse to recognise it but the managers know.
I do think that Gary has overstepped the mark with Paul. But again, it has to do with his annoyance and lack of respect for Paul's destabilising influence. If he wanted to, Paul could keep quiet and tell his agent that what he is doing is affecting him, Paul Pogba. But clearly Paul lacks perspective on all of this or considers that having an agent creating a toxic atmosphere through the media is fine.
I think he's certainly surrendered his right to talk about Pogba with any sort of objectivity. Hasn't he already tweeted him to 'do one'?
Pogba was probably one of our better performers Monday night and as far as I can recall he failed to mention that and instead opted to give Sky exactly what they want - YouTube bait. He seems to have worked out that negativity is far more juicy than fair punditry. "I'm fuming to be honest" - increase the octives a bit and bang, he and Sky are trending all over the place for a few days. Brilliant stuff.
He's an employee of Sky Sports. He's not there to provide fair objectivity, he's there to help create faux drama. Of course he's got a right to talk about whatever he wants, but as far as I'm concerned I'm looking at a man that has given up on being involved in the game in any relevant way, and would rather hang around with Jamie Carragher, criticising the club he's supposed to love for a living.
Also, I think the people calling him out for how selective he is in who he's willing to throw under the bus have a point.
Pogba was probably one of our better performers Monday night and as far as I can recall he failed to mention that and instead opted to give Sky exactly what they want - YouTube bait. He seems to have worked out that negativity is far more juicy than fair punditry. "I'm fuming to be honest" - increase the octives a bit and bang, he and Sky are trending all over the place for a few days. Brilliant stuff.
He's an employee of Sky Sports. He's not there to provide fair objectivity, he's there to help create faux drama. Of course he's got a right to talk about whatever he wants, but as far as I'm concerned I'm looking at a man that has given up on being involved in the game in any relevant way, and would rather hang around with Jamie Carragher, criticising the club he's supposed to love for a living.
Also, I think the people calling him out for how selective he is in who he's willing to throw under the bus have a point.
And what’s your capacity then Einstein?
Neville played at the highest level for the most successful manager the club has ever had, i and I dare say millions more value his input a damn sight more than yours!
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Your team mates cant carry you over a 20 year career, surely he was a good player too? Look at all our flops, did they not play in a team of mostly world class players?(Veron, Forlan, Kleberson etc) G Nev was quality.
This. He deserves as much stick as the things He criticized.Gary Neville lost plenty credibility in the Moyes season.
He’s also biased towards British therefore he has an agenda, I don’t like biased pundits.
He’s also biased towards British therefore he has an agenda, I don’t like biased pundits.