PL D FA Premier League
Manchester United 1:1 Arsenal
Post-match discussion
Mon, 30 September 2019
People overreact to table now. We are like one or two goal far from 4-6 place. This will be a year off and thats it. I dont care will we finish 5. or 10. Just give playing time for youngsters and make 3-4 good signings for attack and midfield in next couple of windows. We will be much stronger next season. Im sure about. Ole started a long term project and it looks like he doesnt have any pressure from board. They know this team currently isnt much better than this. One point against Arsenal is ok also. We will finish somewhere between 4. and 8. i guess. Most likely 6-7. Im ok with it when we are rebuilding.
The problem is that the sloppiness persists.
Makeshift left back makes a poor pass which leads to the equalizer.
McTominay cannot get the free header on frame.
Rashford gets in a position he would normally bury for a goal. Completely muffs it.
Ashley Young is so bad, cannot make the right decision on the ball, gets beat badly to cause a breakaway. He’s the captain. The standard of play, attention to detail has fallen so far. His corners and crossing are so awful. Ashley Young is a microcosm of the tremendous drop in standards.
I can’t blame Ole. I still think the dressing room is rotten, we don’t have real captains, and the standards are so poor.
That Arsenal team was so bad, in the SAF era, we would have won 5-0....
Makeshift left back makes a poor pass which leads to the equalizer.
McTominay cannot get the free header on frame.
Rashford gets in a position he would normally bury for a goal. Completely muffs it.
Ashley Young is so bad, cannot make the right decision on the ball, gets beat badly to cause a breakaway. He’s the captain. The standard of play, attention to detail has fallen so far. His corners and crossing are so awful. Ashley Young is a microcosm of the tremendous drop in standards.
I can’t blame Ole. I still think the dressing room is rotten, we don’t have real captains, and the standards are so poor.
That Arsenal team was so bad, in the SAF era, we would have won 5-0....
The best thing to come out of tonights game.
Interesting. I've only been to one game this season, so I can't really say. For those who go regulary, do you share this sentiment?
That's a rather impressive assortment of voicesThe best thing to come out of tonights game.
A nothing match between two nothing teams
We just can't beat anyone at the moment...
Agree. He is a brilliant player, probably Arsenal's best signing in a decade. I rate him better than Fabregas. But that Saka boy is also brilliant and not too far behind.
Seems we aren't even expected to beat arsenal at home anymore.
Says a lot how far we've fallen when McTominay is our best player.
Mates, we either have to accept growing pains from a young squad or we decide it's time to sack the manager and go all galactico and see what that gets us.
We brought in two big name managers who bought big name players and that really didn't get us anywhere, did it? Yes, we won a cup here and there but we never seriously put together a proper challenge for the EPL trophy, did we? No, we did not.
This squad is playing mediocre football but there is hope that our young players like Rashford, James, Greenwood, Tuanzebe, McTominay and even Martial (not so young, I know) can develop into the core of a decent led by De Gea, Maguire, Pogba and Wan-Bissaka plus a few more reinforcements we all know we need to put us in a position to make a proper challenge for the EPL trophy next season.
This was never going to be easy. It isn't. We have to deal with it.
We brought in two big name managers who bought big name players and that really didn't get us anywhere, did it? Yes, we won a cup here and there but we never seriously put together a proper challenge for the EPL trophy, did we? No, we did not.
This squad is playing mediocre football but there is hope that our young players like Rashford, James, Greenwood, Tuanzebe, McTominay and even Martial (not so young, I know) can develop into the core of a decent led by De Gea, Maguire, Pogba and Wan-Bissaka plus a few more reinforcements we all know we need to put us in a position to make a proper challenge for the EPL trophy next season.
This was never going to be easy. It isn't. We have to deal with it.
Solskjaer rid of lukaku and placed his faith in Rashford This looks to be the decision that will cost him his job
Two poor teams. A nothing game really.
Really, do you really want to compare players like Nani, Rooney, RVP to League One players like Lingard and Rashford? I can't see any PL team want to have them as starters.Even Moyes beat those at Old Trafford. This supposed "rebuild" will end in tears. This "team" is going nowhere it is crystal clear. Some say "we create chances but we don't finish" but that's not true. We are plain awful at creating clear goalscoring opportunities.
We didn't create anything against Rochdale. We didn't create anything against West Ham. We created some chances against 3rd placed team in that shitty Kazakhstan League. Nothing against Leicester other than a suspect penalty. Nothing against Southampton & Palace either. Chelsea game's scoreline flattered us. Can't remember us creating so many chances against Wolves either.
It's the same story today. Absolute devoid of quality from both teams. We only score or create something from individual quality like James' pace, McTominay's shot today, James' shot against Palace & Southampton etc. and not through our coaching-tactics-gameplan etc.
Just like Moyes period, we'll break all the negative records this seson. 9 points after 7 gamesAnd we didn't even play City, Pool or Spurs yet. I fear from these games' possible scorelines tbh.
Worst Man United squad in the Premier League era + Worst Man United manager in the Premier League era = Worst Man United team in the Premier League era.
It's simple as this really.
We are 10th and I'm not surprised with all those overrated players that fans are blinded. It's just our level,
Well, our supposed WC player Pogba is not impressive either... Most overrated midfielder in the world.
It's certainly possible to build a Galactico team, but our current management structure has shown they're incapable. For all the money we spend on players, what we really need is a brain trust that can identify which players are worth buying and which aren't. We're paying Pogba, De Gea, Rashford and Martial Galactico wages, we certainly paid Galactico fees for Martial, Pogba, Fred, Wan-Bissaka and Maguire. And no small amount for Lindelof and Shaw.
Just look at that attacking front three, its an absolute disgrace for this club.
James - Lingard - Pereira is about 12th best in the league and that's where were going to finish if he insists on this dross every week.
At least try playing fred/matic + McT behind James - Pogba - Greenwood
James - Lingard - Pereira is about 12th best in the league and that's where were going to finish if he insists on this dross every week.
At least try playing fred/matic + McT behind James - Pogba - Greenwood
Our attacking mid & front 4 were poor. As soon as the ball touch Pereira, Lingard & Rashford feet, they create no danger at all. The main reason we have been so poor & not getting the results this season because we are relying on players like them plus Mata.
Have to agree with this. Except for Lingard, everyone was really up for it. The quality is questionable, but it was a classic United - Arsenal game.
Absolutely convinced Maguire was only going to come in if Lukaku got sold,agree that it was Woody trying to undercut Palace that delayed the Wan Bissaka deal though.
No about 45-46 years ago
Second half was entertaining. Pogba, james, MT played well. I actually enjoyed watching us play. Pressing was good too.
Refree robbed us. There was a clear penalty.
Young should retire immediately. Horrible horrible player.
Lingard was invisible.
Rashford was wasteful. Don't understand what's wrong with him. Looks like lost confidence.
Axel showed sign of a good player initially but later started making mistakes. LB is not his position.
Refree robbed us. There was a clear penalty.
Young should retire immediately. Horrible horrible player.
Lingard was invisible.
Rashford was wasteful. Don't understand what's wrong with him. Looks like lost confidence.
Axel showed sign of a good player initially but later started making mistakes. LB is not his position.
Nice that we are keeping pace with Burnley and Sheffield United though!
I agree with this "unpopular" opinion. Execution and precision were missing but the fire, creativity, dedication, thinking and vision were all there. Which is key because you can hone precision in training, you cannot train for what we saw today and what has been missing in most of the matches for years.
There may, indeed, be hope for this club if they play like today and improve execution over time. I am willing to be very patient if we are on the right trajectory. It does hurt immensely to be #10 in the league, though
But it's all about where we are heading… as long as we don't get relegated FFS This was against Arsenal at OT. Watch them make side-way passes all game at Newcastle. No amount of hard graft and desire can replace a well-coached set-up.I agree with this "unpopular" opinion. Execution and precision were missing but the fire, creativity, dedication, thinking and vision were all there. Which is key because you can hone precision in training, you cannot train for what we saw today and what has been missing in most of the matches for years.
There may, indeed, be hope for this club if they play like today and improve execution over time. I am willing to be very patient if we are on the right trajectory. It does hurt immensely to be #10 in the league, though
Well, that is what I am saying - we've seen many horrible games but yesterday it wasn't just graft and desire, they had attacking setup and were creating pretty great breakthroughs. Finishing was a problem, no doubt, but huge difference between yesterday and the side-way passes all game" BS we've seen in other games
Agree. I still think that there is not nearly enough movement from our forwards or full-backs. How many times did James get past his man and he had no options inside the 6 yard box. The real difference was only in the mentality to attack but the players didn't really seem to know where and when to make runs - and that's not changed in any of the games this season.
Fecking sick of seeing our corners. What's up with all the floaters and short corners? When was the last time that worked out for us?? Why are we not doing whipped crosses into the danger areas? Even when we try to whip one in every once in a while, it's atrocious.
It's about 20 years since we scored from a corner
Sorry to say this, but Lingard should never start and probably never play. With the current squad, surely it's not beyond reason to play Pogba as 10 , encouraging him to create and maybe take chances.
Fred possibly alongside McTominlay and need another in midfield, let Ole work to fill the other positions that's his job but pushing Pogba up to his more natural position and one he played at Juventus should be the easy one.
Fred possibly alongside McTominlay and need another in midfield, let Ole work to fill the other positions that's his job but pushing Pogba up to his more natural position and one he played at Juventus should be the easy one.
Looked to be more desire and commitment in the side, which has to be good. Well, all except Lingard who went into hiding. Pity the quality isn't there. Dan James is full of heart.
Our decision making in the final third was atrocious yesterday. The opportunities to create great chances were there for the taking, but instead of playing that one extra pass, players went 1-on-1 or shot from distance or simply took too long to even make a decision.
I was thinking exactly same thing this morning. In the second half they did go full throttle but it was pretty much equal to City/Liverpool's 2nd gear. No quality or plan, just "hit and hope"-football. We could get away with it if we would have quality on the pitch. Unfortunately, we don't.
Making sure we don't get beaten at home by top teams like Arsenal is a great result.
What we need to do is keep this up and get a few home wins (away ones is asking too much) against our rivals like Norwich, Brighton and Villa and I'm confident we'll still be in the PL for next season.
Meanwhile, c'mon Liverpool, you deserve a title after 30 years of hurt!!
What we need to do is keep this up and get a few home wins (away ones is asking too much) against our rivals like Norwich, Brighton and Villa and I'm confident we'll still be in the PL for next season.
Meanwhile, c'mon Liverpool, you deserve a title after 30 years of hurt!!
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1 Solid win and 1 draw against our top4 rivals is a good start to the season. Again, the margins between winning and loosing are so razor thin atm. We had several chances to win the match tonight but again we are being let down by the quality of the men on the top. I really do hope Rashford has a good mental coach to talk to between games now, he needs one.
We have just been so impossibly unlucky to have so many injury problems in our squad this early into the season. Again missing out on Martial, Shaw and AWB makes it abundantly clear how thin the squad is. Again Ashley Young is proving himself to be over the top as a footballer.
That being said, this team has played a lot better than the table is showing, the gates will open, trust the process.
We have just been so impossibly unlucky to have so many injury problems in our squad this early into the season. Again missing out on Martial, Shaw and AWB makes it abundantly clear how thin the squad is. Again Ashley Young is proving himself to be over the top as a footballer.
That being said, this team has played a lot better than the table is showing, the gates will open, trust the process.
I agree that Pogba should be moved forward, but he was played more to the left for Juve and I don’t think that’s his best position. He has a better return, for both goals and assists, for United than he did at Juve.
We saw a few screamers that he scored for Juve, but he was anonymous a lot for them, too.
It seems to be a bit of a myth that Pogba was some sort of machine for Juventus - he is a luxury player and I think he should be played as one, at “number 10”.
Clear penalty not given, McTominay missed a sitter and the goal conceded was an absolute howler. On another day that could have been a comfortable 3-0 win.
The team are just finding ways to drop points at the moment. Saddest of all, United are dropping points due to the opposition having attacking players of superior quality. It's depressing when you look on enviously at players like Aubameyang and Yarmolenko, wishing that United had attacking talent like that.
The team are just finding ways to drop points at the moment. Saddest of all, United are dropping points due to the opposition having attacking players of superior quality. It's depressing when you look on enviously at players like Aubameyang and Yarmolenko, wishing that United had attacking talent like that.
Arsenal missed about 3 sitters as well, so on another day it could've been 3-0 to them either, y'know.
Not really. There was absolutely nothing as clear for Arsenal as the McTominay chance, or the penalty United should have had.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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14%
Daniel James
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4%
Axel Tuanzebe
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2%
David de Gea
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2%
Andreas Pereira
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2%
Harry Maguire
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2%
Paul Pogba
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1%
Ashley Young
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
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Compiled from 417 ratings.
Score Predictions
215,254,125
- Man Utd win
- Arsenal win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 15% Man Utd 1:1 Arsenal
- 13% Man Utd 2:1 Arsenal
- 12% Man Utd 0:2 Arsenal
- 11% Man Utd 1:2 Arsenal
- 8% Man Utd 1:0 Arsenal
- 8% Man Utd 1:3 Arsenal
- 6% Man Utd 2:0 Arsenal
- 4% Man Utd 0:3 Arsenal
- 4% Man Utd 2:2 Arsenal
- 3% Man Utd 3:1 Arsenal
- 3% Man Utd 0:5 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 0:0 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 5:0 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 0:1 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 3:0 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 3:2 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 2:3 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 0:4 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 1:4 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 5:5 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 1:5 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 4:0 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 5:3 Arsenal
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Arsenal
- Possession
- 55% 45%
- Shots
- 16 10
- Shots on Target
- 4 5
- Corners
- 8 7
- Fouls
- 18 13
Referee
Kevin Friend
Man Utd Lineup
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