What, was a stonewall pen for Watford
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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What, was a stonewall pen for Watford
They just need to allow the VAR to overrule the pitch ref or at least advise their opinion and get them to check on pitch.
Simple tweaks in the process is all that's needed
Simple tweaks in the process is all that's needed
Not seen the Burnley one but Garth Crooks and whoever was doing soccer Saturday were adamant that VAR got it wrong.
I said the VAR interventions were correct. That was a non-intervention and (as we all know at this stage) consistent with the PL's stupid "avoid overturning decisions at all costs" approach, which is and will continue to be a longstanding problem until they cop on.
Like they said in the Swedish Viaplay studio:” I wonder what they have been smoking in the VAR room to miss that penalty?”
They won't though. Don't want to show their colleagues up
Simple as this really. Until this happens, bin it off.
It's not really about them missing something, it's the protocol they've been given. They could be sure it's a penalty themselves but if the referees description of what he saw is too close to being what happened then it stands.
They should just put monkeys in the VAR room who click agree with referee on every decision. Such a half hearted and stupid implementation.
Probably the worst day yet for VAR this season hearing about some of these decisions in Spurs and Leicester games. Even in our game we had a goal chalked off that seemed very harsh.
I cannot believe we're three months into the season and no ref has gone over to a tv screen to look at a decision yet. Now that is a scandal for the very marginal decisions.
I cannot believe we're three months into the season and no ref has gone over to a tv screen to look at a decision yet. Now that is a scandal for the very marginal decisions.
Correct, and agree until the on field refs mistakes are over ruled pointless , your right bin it .
Be could hardly have seen the leg come up. Then he had given the pen, I am sure.
Anyone still doubting VAR is just an extension of the leagues scripting?
Nothing to do with making correct descisions
Spurs game ridiculous...
Gave up on watching the premier league ex the odd Chelsea one after the Utd Palace game. It's absurd...
I'm still for VAR but the way it has been implemented has been a disgrace.
Clear penalties and red cards denied because they don't want to upset their mate on the pitch and overrule him. Offsides called because striker's toe is offside and ref dosen't even go to video screen to have a look.
It's not perfect in other leagues as the refs sometimes take 3-4 minutes looking at the screen on penalty calls but that's a fairer way than what premier league is doing.
I'd rather have ten minute delays if it meant we got the right decision in the end. This current version the PL is absolutely moronic.
I mainly watch la liga games and think VAR works very well, there. The odd slow descison but 99.9% it's great.
I genuinely believe it's not even mainly being used to get correct descisions in the premier league though. That is the only rational explanation.
It's like WWE?
I genuinely believe it's not even mainly being used to get correct descisions in the premier league though. That is the only rational explanation.
It's like WWE?
Multiple things wrong today:
1) The penalty not given to Watford. Same story all season, next to impossible to overturn subjective calls in the PL. In a league with a functioning VAR system the ref could have a look at it again himself but that doesn't happen in the PL.
2) The confusion with the graphics at the Spurs game. Not only is that an amateurish mistake, it makes it look to the crowd as if the referee has actually overruled VAR.
3) The Burnley goal disallowed. Too much depends on what the referee tells VAR he saw in this scenario. I suspect he said he didn't see any contact with Evans, in which case when VAR does see contact then they overturn the goal because the ref has made a clear error. Yet had the referee said he saw contact but just didn't think it was a foul or didn't think Evans had any chance of getting to the ball, then I don't think it gets overturned. Again this is down to the protocol used in the PL, which places far too much weight on the ref's initial call while also giving the referee no chance to re-assess incidents himself.
4) On a broader level, the lack of explanations. We shouldn't have to guess or deduce why Watford weren't given a penalty or why Burnley didn't get the goal. Clear explanations should be provided, especially when so much depends on what the referee initially saw. If we don't know what he tells VAR, how the hell are we supposed to know what they agree/disagree with?
5) On a broader level again, the net effect of (almost as a policy) punishing offsides without awarding penalties: fewer goals. Again, this disparity is down to the PL's system. There have been far, far, far too few penalties given this season because VAR is neutered in overturning subjective calls. Which means it has benefited defenders far too much, as opposed to attackers who are (correctly) being called for offsides.
Nearly all of the above could be solved or vastly ameliorated by a) using VAR the way other leagues do and b) explaining the logic behind decisions correctly. But I have no faith in that happening quickly in the PL as it would require them to be open to admitting their mistakes both on-pitch and in terms of policy. Plus it would also require a degree of competence that is at odds with them introducing the worst VAR system in Europe despite having had the benefit of seeing what all other major leagues have done.
Bah.
1) The penalty not given to Watford. Same story all season, next to impossible to overturn subjective calls in the PL. In a league with a functioning VAR system the ref could have a look at it again himself but that doesn't happen in the PL.
2) The confusion with the graphics at the Spurs game. Not only is that an amateurish mistake, it makes it look to the crowd as if the referee has actually overruled VAR.
3) The Burnley goal disallowed. Too much depends on what the referee tells VAR he saw in this scenario. I suspect he said he didn't see any contact with Evans, in which case when VAR does see contact then they overturn the goal because the ref has made a clear error. Yet had the referee said he saw contact but just didn't think it was a foul or didn't think Evans had any chance of getting to the ball, then I don't think it gets overturned. Again this is down to the protocol used in the PL, which places far too much weight on the ref's initial call while also giving the referee no chance to re-assess incidents himself.
4) On a broader level, the lack of explanations. We shouldn't have to guess or deduce why Watford weren't given a penalty or why Burnley didn't get the goal. Clear explanations should be provided, especially when so much depends on what the referee initially saw. If we don't know what he tells VAR, how the hell are we supposed to know what they agree/disagree with?
5) On a broader level again, the net effect of (almost as a policy) punishing offsides without awarding penalties: fewer goals. Again, this disparity is down to the PL's system. There have been far, far, far too few penalties given this season because VAR is neutered in overturning subjective calls. Which means it has benefited defenders far too much, as opposed to attackers who are (correctly) being called for offsides.
Nearly all of the above could be solved or vastly ameliorated by a) using VAR the way other leagues do and b) explaining the logic behind decisions correctly. But I have no faith in that happening quickly in the PL as it would require them to be open to admitting their mistakes both on-pitch and in terms of policy. Plus it would also require a degree of competence that is at odds with them introducing the worst VAR system in Europe despite having had the benefit of seeing what all other major leagues have done.
Bah.
That is what happened? It was handball, top of the arm, and should have been ruled out per the new laws.
Why did the referee allow it?
How was it any different to other minor handball goals ruled out goals this season?
Its like trying to shed some light on shady incompetent people that run a corrupt country.
As far as I'm aware VAR decided it wasn't a handball as it struck him in the shoulder area (i.e. above the armpit), which is how they've typically be instructed to judge the relevant area for handball (unless that's changed). They then put up the incorrect graphic, confusing everyone.
Maybe I'm wrong though as, again, no clear explanation was given. Though if the ref blatantly ignored VAR then that's entirely his fault, not theirs.
There was no difference and it does lead you to wonder if the graphic on the screen was the actual mistake or the ref giving it. I seen something about them not providing evidence of the Wolves goal they disallowed either.
Burnley got what they deserved, when you start time wasting from the very first throw in of the game you deserve nothing
Bullshit opinion. A goal is a goal regardless of how you play.
not really if they feel unlucky to have a goal disallowed because of contact between Wood and Evans then I would point out you make your own luck and deserve none when you act like that
fecking hell, how did they not give that?Ah well that's it let's just call off the League and give every trophy to City because they play much better football than anyone else. A goal is a goal and that's the end of it. It's up to the ref to punish them for time wasting and that shouldn't mean that they deserve to have a goal unfairly ruled out. It's not that difficult to understand.
Should have been penalty that.
I admire their style its very effective, but taking 2 mins to take a throw in all game isn't about style its simply not playing football, if they ref did his job their right back would have been sent off before half time for 2 yellow cards for time wasting
Yes in La Liga for penalties and offsides, seems the ref is told the opposite of what happens here e.g. he's likely made an error by not giving a penalty but he can still run to the TV and have a look for himself. Usually ref then sprints looks for a minute and then gives the penalty.
That's fair enough on their style mate and I agree it's horrible but the fact is that VAR should give the right decision regardless of how any team plays and what they deserve. For example we have been shit this year and no one will tell you otherwise but the fact is that if VAR was implemented properly we'd have been possibly looking at having 8 extra points. To put that into perspective we'd be level on points with you right now with tomorrow to play. This isn't just about United but I'm sure you can understand the frustration of people who though that VAR was meant to stop things like this being possible.
The La Liga method is certainly better than never having any penalty decisions overturned like we're seeing over here. Let the ref himself at least have a look to see if he thinks he missed something or made an honest mistake, because his mate in the VAR room is never going to tell him he was wrong.
given the penalty given against us at Anfield contact now must mean foul so if there was contact its a foul and right decision, we only saw the replay once at the game I thought it had been ruled out for a hand ball
That's the frustrating part man, the rules seem to change game by game. I never thought that Mane penalty should have been given. It makes the Martial no penalty against Palace, where there was way more contact a joke!. Seems like us football fans will just have to accept this shit as pat of the game forever. Congrats on the win, you guys are looking very good this year.
The goals apps have to STOP sending the goals out until play kicks off again!
Twice today they sent a goal and then sent an amendment!!
Worst was when City got a 90th min winner v Tottenham this year, and then ruled it out!
Twice today they sent a goal and then sent an amendment!!
Worst was when City got a 90th min winner v Tottenham this year, and then ruled it out!
Can’t believe they allowed that spurs goal an absolute joke!
And how was KDB not awarded a penalty?! Bet if you switched the players around then they would definitely count it against a Man City “defender”.
Absolutely horrendous calls as usual
And how was KDB not awarded a penalty?! Bet if you switched the players around then they would definitely count it against a Man City “defender”.
Absolutely horrendous calls as usual
Just heard Brendon saying that he'd have been disappointed if he was Burnley's boss, but said he thought that they should have had a penalty a couple of games ago, so things even themselves out, etc.
Surely this is exactly the opposite of how VAR is supposed to work.
Surely this is exactly the opposite of how VAR is supposed to work.
While it is very good idea having VAR, it is used that badly now that the question is should we take it out from the game. I could somehow accept that referees were bad before but with VAR they look even more clueless despite having videos and all that stuff. And that gets you to the point were you wonder if refs are biased or not. I know it is hard to go against colleges but if something is done wrong on the pitch you got to correct it upstairs.
Right now VAR is just lottery.
Right now VAR is just lottery.
I didn't benefit today but plenty of times in last 18 months I've bet on a goal to be scored in a period of time, goal goes in, payout happens and then goal gets disallowed a minute later.
Very frustrating. You're also getting the vidiprinter on BBC and Sky giving goals before having to issue corrections.
It seems to work just fine in Spain which is was known for incompetent refs funny enough.
The way I see it they're still making more right decisions with VAR than without it. So it's obviously a good thing.