Yeah, it seems we do. However I would ask, do you think he had any noticeable flaws/ errors in his time at Spurs?
Pochettino sacked by Spurs
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Of course he did. Not taking Europa league seriously, signing players like Sissoko (I know few Spurs fans think he is very good now, that's because he was so shit, that not being shit is considered as good enough) heard Spurs fans saying he didn't want to work with DoF and that's why Paul Mitchell was moved on, playing half fit Kane in the CL finals and few more that there is a good chance I forgot.
Cheers. I'm assuming you think that despite all that, his pros outweigh his cons by a good margin. If so that's fair enough, and not too far from my opinion. I just rate his work lower than you do.
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Which is why I don't want another boring emotionless manager. Get it?
I have no idea what you are on about.
How is our expectation too high, especially with the players we have had over the last 3-4 years? I wouldn't expect ypu to understand, you probably know little to nothing about Tottenham, which is fair enough, but its a bit annoying when you are trying to argue points with no knowledge.
I'm not judging Poch on winning the premiership, I'm judging him on winning anything at all!
You didn't answer my question. What were the expectations of Poch when he got the Spurs job?
Yes he should have won a domestic cup here and there, however I highly doubt anyone actually expected them to be anywhere near that when he got the job, never mind reaching a CL final or finishing 2nd in the league. This is way too much hindsight for me. He got a job at a team who finishes 5th-6th each season. Who would put expectations for him to actually win anything?
I think the idea that he's convinced people to criticize him for not winning things there proves he built a pretty good team that raised the standards and thus the expectations from people to Spurs. What was the last time people were expecting Spurs to challenge for literally anything every season?
Surely if he had wanted to leave that badly he would just have resigned.
We had finished 4th twice before under Harry, the whole "Tottenham's progression started under Poch" is incorrect. Generally our fortunes were progressing since Martin Jol, with a few blimps along the way.
I didn't say you never finished top 4! But you were used to be 5th or 6th,no? You finished 4th twice in the last 15 years or so.
Mmm i think it's because his fans are trying to convince people that he's a world class manager. I don't see anyone having a go at spurs for not winning anything, not unless some of their fans start getting too cocky anyways.
Sorry I added to my post, we have been gradually progressing. Poch done a very good job for us and I will miss the guy a lot, but he isn't the sole reason for our improvement. He also lost it a number of times in Cup competitions when we really should have done better.
Finally - someone who gets it.
We I am a Spurs fan, I have some insight
.So you think Pep would have won titles with Spurs, being world class manager?
When did I say he's the sole reason for your improvement? I mean it's always a punch of factors that happen together for a team to improve, not one, but of course he's a big part of it.
In 2015, definitely. That year was the chance for Poch to show the world he's the next Klopp. Won't get a better chance than that.
I was just expanding on the debate, you cant really argue though that with the team he had when we had Walker and Rose ,2015, that team should have won something. He is a good coach but he has issues that he has never showed any signs of changing.
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They actually got more points and were close to Chelsea the next season as well. Peak Spurs wasn't the Leicester season, it was the next one imo.
Of course he should have won at least 1 or 2 domestic trophies with the team he built later on. I never disagreed with that, however my point is when he got the job back in 2014 iirc I highly doubt anyone were expecting him to actually be close to a trophy to start with. Were you?
The League no, but there was no reason to think "no way they will never win a trophy". Of course the aim was always going to be top 4, but Poch never really cared about domestic trophies, he said so himself.
Don't disagree much with it being a defect in him. Never argued otherwise, and he needs to improve this aspect of his managerial abilities. However he did well to raise the expectations for Spurs imo.
Small club mentality because small clubs do tend to get rid of their managers too early.
Pochettino is one of the managerial giants of this decade and will be one of them in the next decade
As a club you need to back such a manager and build him golden bridges. You need to make sure that you get 10-15 years of service from such a manager.
I fear that this might end the top 4 era for the Spurs. He made that club punch above their weight for several years! The club and even the fans started to take that for granted. I stand by my judgement. This is the dumbest decision Levy has made in the last 5 years.
Remind me again how many managers Chelsea have had in the last 5 years?
I think this is great news for us. If Ole can't keep making improvements then we have a ready-made replacement in Pooch. In Addition to the fact that Jose is far past his prime as a manager so will hinder one of our rivals.
Thank you Spurs for bottling it on and off the pitch.
Thank you Spurs for bottling it on and off the pitch.
Come on Ed pull your finger out
We never had someone like Pochettino.....
It's not comparable to Chelsea's situation.
Yeah, Poch will sit without offers and wait for us to decide do we want him.
You never sacked an even more successful manager in Jose the first time around?
Not to mention the sacking of Ancelotti
Bayern would probably be the perfect move for him right now. The only box he's yet to tick is trophies, and that's basically a given at Bayern.
They've already started their rebuild and look set to be serious challengers in Europe over the next few years, given the quality of their recruitment. Now looks highly likely that they'll get Sané too.
They've already started their rebuild and look set to be serious challengers in Europe over the next few years, given the quality of their recruitment. Now looks highly likely that they'll get Sané too.
Yeah that's where I'd go if I were him
You do realise Poch was our manager for 5 years?
Apparently Bayern are considering Poch. To the Ole supporters, put yourself in a rationale/well informed Bayern fan's place - you have a choice between hiring Poch who hasn't won a trophy or hiring Ole who has won few titles in a small European league. Who would you go for?
I'm Ole in but can't help but feel we will regret not going for Pochettino, if he does go to Bayern.
Many Bayern fans have Erik Ten Hag as their number 1 choice. And plenty will say they'd prefer Tuchel or to see how Hansi Flick does before they'd consider Pochettino. There will always be the concern about a coach like Pochettino settling in Bayern, regards the language specifically.
Obviously if it was the choice of one or the other, you'd take Pochettino over Ole!
Yes I do. He made a bad start to this season but he is still a better manager in 2019 than Jose Mourinho.You do realise Poch was our manager for 5 years?
To get his £12.5m payout Poch can't actually take a job for 6 months, is that correct?
If so he would be perfect for us in the summer
If so he would be perfect for us in the summer
We will find out.