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Doesn't create enough, doesn't score enough, no more than a squad player. What more is there to say. Still he does have a massive twatter following and that's what counts.
He hasn’t done anything of note in over a year. What value does he add? How would he be valuable?Under a better manager he could be a valuable squad player just like he was under Mourinho and LVG.
Under Ole though we are so poor at attacking as a unit which makes Lingard look worse than he is .
We need a better starter though which is obvious.
He’s not good enough to be a squad player. He barely contributes anything when he starts always, so I don’t know why people think he’d suddenly be a decent squad option.Doesn't create enough, doesn't score enough, no more than a squad player. What more is there to say. Still he does have a massive twatter following and that's what counts.
OMG, if not our number 10 who hasnt scored or assisted in over a year is not one of our woes, WTF is then?A lot of misdirected anger. It wasn't a sitter and Lingard doesn't have much to do with United's woes.
It was the same last year with Matic. Lingard can be easily replaced, but nothing will get better.
Shaw will just receive the remaining abuse.
Yes and sold him cheap enough to say to any other player, if you are doing doing it, i dont care who you are.He’s not good enough to be a squad player. He barely contributes anything when he starts always, so I don’t know why people think he’d suddenly be a decent squad option.
He doesn’t belong at the club. Needs to be binned. Do not care if he is best friends with Rashford or Pogba. Beckham was best friends with half our dressing room yet Fergie got rid.
Think about the salary we will save by selling him. 5m pounds per year. This is Pochs salary at spurs.If we wanted to sell Lingard and let other clubs know that he was for sale, how much do you think we would get for him?
I think three or four million, maybe five tops. Which is nothing in todays market.
He can have as much time off from United at another club as far as I’m concerned. He doesn’t have the mentality or ability to be a United player.So why is Ole putting more pressure on him by constantly playing (read exposing) him? He needs some time off, not like disappearing from the team but more of playing fewer important games, especially ones in which the other team defends deep. I can understand giving him a couple of weeks but after three months of lack of productivity, it seems like flogging a dead horse. I would even suggest timely appearance as a right winger than in the no 10 where his failures get magnified
I'd take a sandwich with a juice.If we wanted to sell Lingard and let other clubs know that he was for sale, how much do you think we would get for him?
I think three or four million, maybe five tops. Which is nothing in todays market.
Commitment?!?That's a reasonable opinion.
But I can't countenance personal abuse towards a United player who's shown commitment to the club.
I think there are people on this forum that don't know what words like commitment mean.
Ashley Young was praised on here recently for showing "loyalty" to the club. It's the same thing , nobody else will have them, certainly not clubs as big as Utd that pay them as well as we do.
You get praised for loyalty and commitment when you stay at the club despite knowing you could go to any other club in the world and make more money. Like you said Giggs and Scholes fit that description. Giggs in the 90s especially could have gone to Italy and doubled his money, at that point we couldn't compete with the big Italian clubs in terms of money.
Praising Lingard for commitment is just laughable
The scariest part is I can preety much see him getting a contract extension. The club are just waiting for the right moment.Maybe one goal and they will announce it.
He broke through at the most opportune time post SAF and has had a perfect storm of successive managers that have kept him on despite his mediocrity. Had he broke through at any other point in the last 30 years he wouldn't have lasted more than 2 years as a senior player at United. And probably not even that.Was just looking at his stats, how has he managed to play 190 games for this club with so little productivity. He is everything wrong with this club. He is extremely lucky to have made a career out of us. Had he scored yesterday he would have been acting all giddy and irritated everyone in social media. I always had an irritation towards Arsenal but I hate them more for making a star out of a nothing player.
I think that line was probably crossed with the new 5 year deal for Jones at the start of this year.this issue will reveal what the club are actually about if they do give him a new deal. Almost like a line will be crossed I cant take the club seriously anymore
I wouldn't call him the luckiest as that I would reserve that for the glass man Jones, but you are correct he is not far from that. He is living off that 2 months bliss period he had for us in December/January 2017/2018 and some goals in wembley. I think his last one year has been one of the worst I have seen a player play for such a long time and yet starting matches. He is also lucky that his replacements are past it Mata and a nothing player in Periera. I think he will torture for us another 6 months at least as I just cannot see us buying a number 10 unless Pogba can play his AM role or Ole switches the formation to 4-4-2.He broke through at the most opportune time post SAF and has had a perfect storm of successive managers that have kept him on despite his mediocrity. Had he broke through at any other point in the last 30 years he wouldn't have lasted more than 2 years as a senior player at United. And probably not even that.
Jones is indeed another beneficiary of the managerial turmoil at the club the last few years. But at least with Phil you can understand every new manager hoping he would overcome the injuries.I wouldn't call him the luckiest as that I would reserve that for the glass man Jones, but you are correct he is not far from that. He is living off that 2 months bliss period he had for us in December/January 2017/2018 and some goals in wembley. I think his last one year has been one of the worst I have seen a player play for such a long time and yet starting matches. He is also lucky that his replacements are past it Mata and a nothing player in Periera. I think he will torture for us another 6 months at least as I just cannot see us buying a number 10 unless Pogba can play his AM role or Ole switches the formation to 4-4-2.
Does he bring anything positive to the team that would lead Ole to pick him?Commitment?!?
Where else will he earn 100k a week while being absolutely horrendous at his job? He is stealing a living from the club.
Lingard in general and this thread actually showed how brainwashed and deluded our fan base is. Everyone and their dogs could see what a horrendous footballer he was for this level, yet you could not say it on here without being labeled a hater or agenda driven.
Yea i agree. Under Ferguson he would have been released during the summer very quietly.He broke through at the most opportune time post SAF and has had a perfect storm of successive managers that have kept him on despite his mediocrity. Had he broke through at any other point in the last 30 years he wouldn't have lasted more than 2 years as a senior player at United. And probably not even that.
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That is Stewart Downing kind of levels in his first season for us. 0 assists and and 0 goals in his entire first season in the league.Tweet
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I defend Lingard most often than most, but this is indefensible. Sancho’s got, what, 40 plus in that time?
100% agree.Are you his Rashy in disguise? He needs to be dropped right away, and then sold. This terrible comedy has gone on far too long.
By whom, certain fans, or the Managers?No, he isn't. He has one use and that is to be shown to young players and new signings as an example of how not to behave, and an example of piss poor performance levels that will not be tolerated.
His reaction afterwards that screamed shame proved in my eyes that he knows he fecked up big, big time with that considering the “pressure” Ole gave him.
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It's not disrespectful; it's just shite.
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Merry Christmas! Hope you have a great time with your loved ones.100% agree.
We would be so lucky to get three or four million, his salary has no relationship with his lack of quality. I think we are upside down in terms of player value with him.If we wanted to sell Lingard and let other clubs know that he was for sale, how much do you think we would get for him?
I think three or four million, maybe five tops. Which is nothing in todays market.
How is it disrespectful? The two defenders never gave up, and Ben Foster left him no option than to try and lob him.
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Agreed on all points.The whole thing about his home life is overblown and is used as an excuse to disguise his performances, the fact of the matter is he was gash long before his family issues (people seem to have forgotten that), and he will be gash long after as well.
He's just an awful football player, who does nothing but runs around, that's it, that's all he will ever be and will ever amount to, nowhere near good enough for any club with the aspirations we SHOULD be having, but we don't, so the reality actually is he's right up our alley at the moment.
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Not making excuses but it’s not that he chose fame.It may look like that but he’s had a hard year with his personal life. His mum being sick and him practically raising his siblings. Also he had his own little one.I used to have hope for him about 4 years ago that he would turn into a player, but he took the route of fame and celebrity instead, which is extremely irritating without any productivity to back it up. Nowadays seeing him anywhere in the lineup you just know we will have a hindrance rather than a useful player in attack.