We lost control in midfield?
We had like 70% possession and everton had 3 shots on target in the whole match. Those 3 were goals. If you want to nitpick, ask the keeper why out of 3 shots on goal, 100% of them are goals.
PL D FA Premier League
Manchester United 3:3 Everton
Post-match discussion
Sat, 06 February 2021
We had like 70% possession and everton had 3 shots on target in the whole match. Those 3 were goals. If you want to nitpick, ask the keeper why out of 3 shots on goal, 100% of them are goals.
This place is confusing. On Monday I was just reading about the improvement of Harry and how many recognized him as our best defender.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-improvement-of-harry-maguire.460620/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-improvement-of-harry-maguire.460620/
I always see this argument. Very irrational if you ask me. We scored three goals, our xG was 1.48 I think. And you think we should have scored more than three? Ïf anything, three is EXTREMELY good considering how few chances we actually CREATED.
You're only as good as your last game on here.
Just like how we were so certain we're gonna get out of the CL group, or like when we were convinced we're in a title chase, it's the theme of this management team: False dawns.
I don't know anything about xG so I just base my views on experience as a former player and coach, and by just watching the match.
We fully deserved at least 2+ goals. We dominated the first half and had good chances. Here are the chances I remember and there percent of being a goal.
Cavani, 80% goal
Bruno, 50% goal
Shaw, 50%
McTominay, 10% goal
Rashford, 60%
Rashford, 70%
Other half chances and corner kicks, 30%?
The Rashford one was our best chance together with Cavani's goal. The Bruno one isn't really creating a chance, it's very seldom that kind of shot goes home, you know what I mean? Therefore, we were very effective with our goals because two of them weren't really good chances. That we scored three goals is good considering that we didn't create so many great goal scoring chances.
We lost because of DeGea. Simple. We have won matches in the past with him but he has become a liability now. The defence is shaky because of him. I remember seeing the Brighton Liverpool match and how their keeper came out and collected a cross under extreme pressure around the penalty spot and was wondering when would we ever see our keeper doing that?
Considering the number of matches DDG has played the last 7/8 years for us and the number of times he has saved us points with breathtaking saves most keepers wouldn't have got near to, its a bit unfair to jump on him after what has been, for him and the incredible standards he set, a "mediocre" spell during which he has had a handful of poor games but still been our saviour on a number of occassions. I'm not saying Ole should blindly stick with him but DDGs still our best keeper and has been for a long time, he deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt, especially as we have a defence which has a hard task focussing on their jobs, ie defending, and too often gives him little or no protection.
We’ve won more than our fair share this season mistakes happen the problem is no matter how much we improve they can always stay ahead of us.
No other side is as stacked as theirs in world football and this will continue well into the future.
What about our 14 shots and only 5 on target =35%
Gutted to concede last minute but poor finishing is as much to blame.
Can anyone honestly say that Axel is the player they would bring on in the last minute of the game to defend against aerial threats? The our worst defenders against Aerial threats are Axel, AWB and Lindelof. Ole combined all three of them in the last minute to defend against their aerial threats.
We have hung on a few times and got found out yesterday. I'm disappointed for people like Cavani, Scott, Bruno, they deserve to be in the winning team yesterday. Every defender and especially De Gea had a role to play. AWB giving a bad ball up to Rashford on the 94th minute instead of keeping possession. Axel making a stupid tackle, unnecessary. Shaw being beat in the air on the free kick. Maguire out of position playing onside. Lindelof missing as usual. Dave being soft and not putting it on the line to prevent the goal. It's leadership, organization and most importantly bravery. Every part of that third goal highlights what we are missing at the back. Teams with goals in them win games, teams with a good defense wins leagues. We are progressing, not ready yet.
More the former than the latter, but I have to say we do look like a side that has never worked in defending on set pieces in training. But to be fair to Ole, we’ve been horrible at defending set pieces for a long time. It’s almost like we’re too big of a club to worry about such pedestrian things as defending free kicks and corner kicks.
That's fair enough I am happy to shake hands and make up. I think every Manchester United fan is feeling frustrated right now
Don't worry we have made up. I only just watched the game so I was frustratedPut your handbags away lads.
I thought it was a fair point that VDB is not some magical answer to a midfield problem. Fred wasn't great but, for me, the problem was defence and GK. Looking back, Maguire played worse than Lindelof, De Gea was poor and maybe if we actually had a RW, we would have scored more goals or retained the ball better.
For me the worst part was Wan Bissaka trying to set up Cavani right before the Tuanzebe free kick. You can see Cavani shouting at Bissaka to run down to the corner. Absolute tool.
Good point. Although to blame De Gea only is unfair. Lindelof and Maguire are just as much to blame. They are awful as a centre back pairing
There is no doubt he was one of the best keepers in europe from 2013-2018, however even in those days his command of the area was poor and distribution not any better either. Please don't make me have to list those mistakes in the past couple of seasons to emphasise the point.
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This. I think people overlook just how much pressure he puts on the players in front of him because he flat out refuses to leave his line
Not asking him to be Neuer, but having your keeper do some cleaning up in the box would be nice
His save % has been lower table for two and a half seasons now. For some reason people have convinced themselves no other keeper can make those reaction saves when they in fact are pretty routine for a PL keeper.
His other attributes and especially his reluctance to come off his line are poor
Sorry but we didn’t lose. Sadly all focus is on him but glaring chances missed by Rashford, Fred,Cavani,AwB also had a free header early on. Shaws pile driver was well saved but had any 2 of those great chances had been scored we would have been out of sight.
On the last goal, I didnt understand why the old fashioned defence stepping out wasn’t called as it would have played 6-7 Everton players offside.
Half the job is getting at the end of chances and 3 goals should be more than enough for a win at home. The fact is that De Gea had two poor involvements that lead to two goals. His biggest strength that was shot stopping is nothing special any longer and his other attrubutes as a keeper has always been mediocre/poor
This is not about scapegoating anyone, but loads of fans (me included) think hes been on a downward trajectory for a long time now and should be replaced
Really? Our defence is shaky because they all have flaws and they do not play well together.
Maguire - good defender. Has a mistake in him. Slow as hell, needs to be partnered with someone better than him.
Lindelof - Positionally poor. Poor in the air, never commits to tackles, is out fought and out worked every single game
AWB - Lives out of position and relies on his tackling to make up for it. Will always be caught out and lead to poor positioning along the back line due to this. Cannot head the ball. Awkward in possession. Always plays the safe short pass.
Shaw - In the form of his life and our most reliable player right now. Pace is his biggest issue, but he's the only defensive player we have worthy of positive comments lately.
DDG has just stagnated and cannot match his usual elite performance. It's mentally tough being a keeper and playing out of your skin for 6,7 + seasons. We shouldnt forget what he has done for us, but we cannot escape the fact that he is now a shadow of his former self. He just is not consistent enough.
Football is ruthless. Sometimes you need to move on. Henderson is waiting and needs a run in the team.
For the record, De Gea is far from the worse thing going on in this team right now. He had a poor game but there are bigger problems in the team.
We were - yet again out worked in midfield against Everton. I fail to see what McTominey brings to the team. He's such an average player it's unreal. Fred, while usually good was poor. Pogba was pretty mundane before his injury too. We do not control the game or get enough forward passes out of our deeper midfielders - always slow, always sideways, always predictable. Bar Fred, we're almost always out worked in there too. Tom Davies and Gomes just ruined us with they're pressing and exploiting the space we left them. Midfield is more of an issue for me - it needs a revamp
Maguire is our only centre back that can stay fit. You can't get another centre back to play with Bailly/Lindelof, because guess what, he'll end up playing the majority of games with Maguire anyway.
Realistically we'll only sign one CB next window, if any. So it only makes sense to think about how a CB will complement Maguire It has everything to do with being logical and nothing to do with price tag/nationality/Ole's favoritism/insert random Caf lamentation.
The biggest takeway from the game for me is that Lindelof and De Gea are both pussies. De Gea has not improved one bit in coming off his line and commanding the box. Lindelof never had Bailly's no nonsense approach of punting every ball out of the stadium, but him not throwing himself at some shots makes me think his injury is affecting his mental. I always want to see Bailly instead when fit and I don't think there's any risk in making Henderson #1 for the remainder of the season.
McTominay's passing was better than usual. MOTM for me. Complete midfielder in the making.
Same. Was a very frustrating game. My missus is an Everton fan, I had to leave the room!
We somehow snatched a draw from the jaws of victory. Madness to be 3-2 up in the 95th minute of 4 added mins with a freekick being taken by our keeper to then draw the game.
DDG has been in poor form for quite a while now I think we can all agree. I think the question needs to be asked this summer as to whether it is time for Henderson to be the full time #1, though I believe that will be dependent on DDG leaving the club, and I am not sure there will be a queue of suitors for his signature.
Secondly, we need to upgrade on Lindelof. I'm unsure how he managed to get back in ahead of Bailly when Bailly and Maguire looked solid enough, with the bonus of genuine pace. He seems to make a mistake in almost every single game, some not damaging, but they're very close to leading to goal scoring chances. It happens all too often for my liking. I really think he can be and should be improved upon this summer.
Overall I was gutted with a draw. I thought we played well enough and scored enough to win that. I never really thought we would win the league, but dropping silly points is no good either.
Onwards and upwards though lads, let's get back to winning ways and keep looking forward.
DDG has been in poor form for quite a while now I think we can all agree. I think the question needs to be asked this summer as to whether it is time for Henderson to be the full time #1, though I believe that will be dependent on DDG leaving the club, and I am not sure there will be a queue of suitors for his signature.
Secondly, we need to upgrade on Lindelof. I'm unsure how he managed to get back in ahead of Bailly when Bailly and Maguire looked solid enough, with the bonus of genuine pace. He seems to make a mistake in almost every single game, some not damaging, but they're very close to leading to goal scoring chances. It happens all too often for my liking. I really think he can be and should be improved upon this summer.
Overall I was gutted with a draw. I thought we played well enough and scored enough to win that. I never really thought we would win the league, but dropping silly points is no good either.
Onwards and upwards though lads, let's get back to winning ways and keep looking forward.
That was a foolish mistake. However, I feel AWB has turned a corner the past couple of weeks. He has shown some good moves to get past defenders, he is more confident with the ball, and he is seeing the play quicker than before. I hope and think he is on the verge of becoming a very good attacking FB. Physically he has all the tools with his quick feet and long stride.
Still haven't gotten over this one, can't believe we didn't manage to get all three points.
What makes it all the more frustrating is that at times during the game I thought we were playing some of the best football we've played this season. Was expecting a really tough game but thought we bossed proceedings for large spells and were well worthy of our 2-0 lid at half time. A really poor mistake let Everton back in, and after their short rally led to an equaliser, I thought we showed real grit to get back on the ball and take control again. Our third always felt like it was going to come - we had plenty of really good chances to get a fourth (Rashford, Shaw in particular) - and it would have been such a good win to build on.
Unfortunately, the last few minutes were really poor. Their were multiple occasions for us to manage the game and see it through, and we fluffed them all. Seem to recall we had the ball by their corner flag but couldn't keep it there. Think AWB had a chance to do similar but instead tried to play in Cavani. The worst of the lot was at the start of stoppage time, when De Gea caught the ball and, rather than waste time like every other keeper would do, decided a quick throw out to Rashford was the way to go.
What makes it all the more frustrating is that at times during the game I thought we were playing some of the best football we've played this season. Was expecting a really tough game but thought we bossed proceedings for large spells and were well worthy of our 2-0 lid at half time. A really poor mistake let Everton back in, and after their short rally led to an equaliser, I thought we showed real grit to get back on the ball and take control again. Our third always felt like it was going to come - we had plenty of really good chances to get a fourth (Rashford, Shaw in particular) - and it would have been such a good win to build on.
Unfortunately, the last few minutes were really poor. Their were multiple occasions for us to manage the game and see it through, and we fluffed them all. Seem to recall we had the ball by their corner flag but couldn't keep it there. Think AWB had a chance to do similar but instead tried to play in Cavani. The worst of the lot was at the start of stoppage time, when De Gea caught the ball and, rather than waste time like every other keeper would do, decided a quick throw out to Rashford was the way to go.
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Score Predictions
184,8,25
- Man Utd win
- Everton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 30% Man Utd 2:1 Everton
- 20% Man Utd 3:1 Everton
- 17% Man Utd 2:0 Everton
- 7% Man Utd 3:0 Everton
- 6% Man Utd 1:1 Everton
- 6% Man Utd 1:0 Everton
- 4% Man Utd 2:2 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 3:2 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 0:2 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 5:0 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Everton
- 1% Man Utd 4:0 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 0:5 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 2:3 Everton
- 0% Man Utd 1:2 Everton
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Everton
- Possession
- 62% 38%
- Shots
- 14 6
- Shots on Target
- 5 3
- Corners
- 5 1
- Fouls
- 14 11
Referee
Jonathan Moss
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replaced by Axel Tuanzebe
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