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Sat, 06 February 2021

MikeeMike

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I actually thought it was one of our best and most dominant performances of the season up until that goal at the end. Wasteful with our chances, should have killed the game off
I was also buzzing at half time apart from Fred’s effort (well it was Fred), Cavani skewed miss, Lindelof run where he should have passed (even though epic run).
Then Shaw’s brilliant run and 1-2 if scored would have been 3-0 and goodnight.

The moment they got one back they were buzzing.

Easy to blame defensive errors / keeper but for me missed chances again . Optimistic as it was best I’ve seen us play for many a month. Was anyone expecting we would challenge for the title ? Not me. I’m just happy I see positive a future.
 

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Lets look at the positives from tonight and put the 2 dropped points to one side:

Greenwood was incredible for the entire game.
Bruno was exceptional
Cavani was great yet again
Shaw was as good as he has been and I seriously think he's best LB in the world on recent form
Our first two goals were special.
The overall pace of our play for large parts of the game was great to see

We have a terrifying attack, this team doesn't need much tweaking to be competing.
Agree. We need a RW or ST (post Cavani), WC CB, CDM, RB (cover) and that's it.
 
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I think I said it in an earlier thread. If Rashford gets his decision making right, he could be world class. Just think how many Citeh goals are a pass/cut back across the box and a tap in. Imagine those players were taking alternative options. The coaches need to get on Rashford's case big time.
I agree about the world class potential...

About the coaches.... maybe he’s just doing what he’s asked. I’ve seen the Ole “just shoot” video, some things are ingrained in a manager for better or worse.
 

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Good news is we are the top scorers in the league. Bad news is we've let in more than Burnley
 

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You were the better team over the course of the game and deserved the win. We deserved something for our perseverance and determination to not lose but that's on you completely.
Somewhat surprising verdict. One of the most dominating performances I have seen in a long time. Apart from like two five minute streches United were in complete control, Everton created practically nothing outside the goals. In the first half there was a period if about fifteen minutes when the ball was literally never in our third, it was crazy. As far away from deserving something from a match as it gets imo. We just gifted it.
 
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I think that the fact that we as a defensive unit have concede more goals than Burnley a telling point with regards to our coaching staff, and the ability of our defence. Some thing is seriously wrong in either our defensive coaching approach or the players ability to absorb the coaching tactics and match requirements
 

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We got knocked out in the group stages thanks in a large part to losing to a team that at the time was 8th in the Turkish league...
We conceded dodgy goals largely because of the keeper (same as today) against Leipzig. This United is a different team from the group stage United. We are much better and were let down by the usual suspects. The ones who do not have the fortitude to be winners. De Gea is not a winner.
 

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I think that the fact that we as a defensive unit have concede more goals than Burnley a telling point with regards to our coaching staff, and the ability of our defence. Some thing is seriously wrong in either our defensive coaching approach or the players ability to absorb the coaching tactics and match requirements
Agreed and the good thing it’s clear as day (isn’t it?) and I’m assuming a lot of work is going on in the background to address our shambolic defence.
 

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Lindelof+Maguire+De Gea combination has been a nightmare many times this season. We really need to fix this quick.
 

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If city loose against Liverpool I would have forgotten about this game. That’s all I’m hoping for
 

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Only caught second half. When Rashford missed the shot with his left, thought back to when we drew last minute against Everton under SAF, think was 4-4 and Nani or Evra missed a chance to put the game to bed.

As for the ending - other day we get 3 minutes and today they get 4+? Tuanzebe with a stupid foul but, then that's on De Gea for putting a ball right in the middle of the field when he could have punted it all the way over out for a throw to other side and game would have been called there and then.

Maguire playing everyone on side and then De Gea too scared to put his body on the line to save us 2 point.

No idea why Matic doesn't come on earlier and why Tuanzebe was seen as a better option - really? Your most experience DM at your disposal and you leave him on the bench to bring in Tuanzebe to shield the defense? Tried to be too cute thinking game was won.
Not blaming the injury time for drawing but quite frankly it feels like we have just lost that game and could do well to recover
 

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Just get rid of that fecking keeper

How many more clangers and how many more points will he cost us? Not like it’s a recent problem. He isn’t even average and we have better warming the bench

im sure he would’ve been sidelined but for that ridiculous contract he is on.

Needs Jim Leightoning.
 

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Largely encouraging performance in a largely encouraging season.

Hurts like a fecker ofcourse but plenty of games to go

Let's see where we are pre City game.
Taking any frustration felt from drawing this game what do you think is the absolute maximum number of points we can be behind them on Mar 7
 

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What a kick in the ball sack. I would say the United forwards are pretty upset at the defence this evening. It's just total madness for a team trying to challenge for the title to leak 2 goals in a little over 3 minutes and then concede in injury time. I am sure I echo other poster's thoughts when I say that it obviously feels like a loss.
 

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Should’ve been sharper upfront but feck me, that defence is a shambles and we’re long past the point where that shithose keeper needs shunting

where to start with that lot? :houllier::mad:
 

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Still sickened with this one. To concede 3 cheap goals like that is criminal.

Obviously DDG is at fault for the first. For the second, Lindelof and Maguire go for the same ball, and if Lindelof just left it then Maguire surely heads that out to touch? Granted, you don't want to take that chance.

The third goal, for god sake why was DDG punting it out for Cavani to try and win a 50-50? Just bloody kick it out for a throw deep in the Everton half, and pin them in. From there, it's just a comedy of errors that leads to the equaliser.

We've conceded some really bad goals in the last couple of months, and it's undone some really good performances. Ironically, in the first half of the season we were getting the lucky and scraping games with really bad performances.

It just shows that we're not the complete package yet, but the manner of some of the goals we're conceding is worrying. Bailly has shown us how having pace and strength beside Maguire transforms that back 4. Unfortunately, that guy is made of glass so we need a dominant CB urgently.

Game management needs improving also. Still, I think this season all teams are struggling at home. Teams that usually get that 10% boost from the crowd are lacking big time, and for a lot of teams they have much better away records. Still no excuse for tonight and vs SHU, but all the same it's easy to forget the players are human also and it must be a difficult time for them also, and the huge demands of the schedule this season. Might explain some of the strange results we have seen this season.
 

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Someone earlier said we were terrifying in attack. I would say that requires scoring more goals. We had 2 legit, top shelf goals. The 3rd was more due the Everton keeper losing his footing. For all the possession to have 2 goals and a fluke 3rd is hardly terrifying. This team is horrid up the middle on any kind of break and defend set pieces like a bunch of 12 year olds in the school playground. Better than they were a year ago? A resounding yes. Still looking at Man City's tailights? Another resounding yes. This was bad.
 

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That finish by Bruno, just reminded me of Eric, simply sublime. Shame he was let down by half the defence. Only Shaw can take any credit for his performance. Dave really needs to grow a pair, that was cowardly.
 

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Somewhat surprising verdict. One of the most dominating performances I have seen in a long time. Apart from like two five minute streches United were in complete control, Everton created practically nothing outside the goals. In the first half there was a period if about fifteen minutes when the ball was literally never in our third, it was crazy. As far away from deserving something from a match as it gets imo. We just gifted it.
I think it was unfair to say we were dominating the game. Yes we were cruising in 1st half and deservedly leading 2-0, or Everton were more likely scared. But Everton did something drastic after the break so it was US who were scared in 1st 10min. Had Shaw scored it might have been game over but it was a good save. Rashford was also very wasteful btw.

What was disappointment was that we had a free kick at 94th. Yes it was safe to kick it hard but was there any other option to run down the clock.
 

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Absolutely laughable. There's no way we should be drawing that sort of game. We were completely on top and in control. Everton barely had any attacks but when they did, we kept panicking. DDGs error was poor but as a team we threw points away last night. feck off.
 

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We need Bruno mentality player at CB, basically what we hoped that McGuire would be.

Felt sick in my stomach after that, such a good attacking display matched only by sheer shambles of defending...
 

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That game highlighted the need for a dominant CB and a more switched on goalkeeper. I thought our overall performance was solid. But you can control a game that much and still clearly give up the opposition enough encouragement to score goals. A defensively tight team doesn't shit itself the way we did at the end of the 1st half and start of the second. And at the 95th minute I don't think anyone felt secure about the points. Top teams don't look like conceding in those situations, we do. We basically helped Everton score three. And its also time for a new goalkeeper although I don't where all the money will come from.
 

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We aren't going to win the league, I wished we were but we would have had to produce a dynamic near perfect system to create the consistency needed to match City. The irony is I think we have started seeing that system. For so much of this season, we were trying to break teams down centrally, forcing dynamic build ups from our centre midfielders which made it slow and laborous. Now we are moving the ball quickly across the pitch, finding crossing opportunites in the wide areas and creating dynamic combinations on both flanks, whilst also having the option of using a Bruno led moment of magic. We now have the in the box threat to make crossing opportunities viable in Cavani. Greenwood was also fantastic in this game. What's also clear is, we've gone away from the fluid front 3 model of the last two seasons. That model kept our wingers too high and left our full backs to create by themselves.
 

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Are people really surprised our defence crumbles under any sort of pressure? Every game we as fans already know we will concede at least a goal.

Maybe we should focus on fixing our defence as priority this summer over ST or RW. Go all out for a CB, DM and maybe even a new GK (because De Gea needs to be replaced and Henderson is not stepping up)
 

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This one double fecks us because as well as a fecking gutting, beyond injury time equaliser, the dream is also well and truly over now :mad:
 

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Ole won't turn his back on DDG in the middle of season even if should now give Henderson a proper go
Henderson? I would seriously rather have DDG for the rest of the season than Henderson. Neither one should be our main goalkeeper. Maybe we should dust-off Romero and get him to finish the season.
 

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Now that my ire has subsided a little bit, I realize that we've already conceded the same exact 3 goals multiple times this season. All 3 of the copies of goals we've conceded.
 

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Are people really surprised our defence crumbles under any sort of pressure? Every game we as fans already know we will concede at least a goal.

Maybe we should focus on fixing our defence as priority this summer over ST or RW. Go all out for a CB, DM and maybe even a new GK (because De Gea needs to be replaced and Henderson is not stepping up)
Priority should be a quality GK & DM, if we sort out those two, maybe the CBs don't need replacing as quickly.
 

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Be honest, Ratchford had 2 really easy chances that a proven striker would have put the game out of reach, he missed both which he seems to do more frequently than a true goal scorer should.

Those misses and his tendency to run into corners and lose control is a major question mark on where he sits , would say jury is out until he he becomes a true finisher.
 

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What a kick in the ball sack. I would say the United forwards are pretty upset at the defence this evening. It's just total madness for a team trying to challenge for the title to leak 2 goals in a little over 3 minutes and then concede in injury time. I am sure I echo other poster's thoughts when I say that it obviously feels like a loss.
I can just imagine Bruno screaming at DDG after the game.
 

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Are people really surprised our defence crumbles under any sort of pressure? Every game we as fans already know we will concede at least a goal.

Maybe we should focus on fixing our defence as priority this summer over ST or RW. Go all out for a CB, DM and maybe even a new GK (because De Gea needs to be replaced and Henderson is not stepping up)
You could well be right about the first two but still don't see Ole getting rid of DDG during the summer, then there is the small matter of him being on about £375,000 a week too.
 

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Henderson? I would seriously rather have DDG for the rest of the season than Henderson. Neither one should be our main goalkeeper. Maybe we should dust-off Romero and get him to finish the season.
Maybe we need to add this to our list of summer priorities too alongside backup RB, CB, CDM & RW/ST
 

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