Explain why?.....
Is Gerrard's title win at Rangers any different to Solskjaer's double title win at Molde?
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It is true. Not even close in comparative. What’s really funny is explayers and exmanagers are denigrated by opposition supporters but respected by one another. So Gerrard who has just done the remarkable and is lauded by by so called rival mgrs and peers but at the same time is scoffed at by forum experts is a joke. The he fact that people who have been in the game and have given it them all to get in such a position that Gerrard has gotten to be put down by bitter opponents is really pretty pathetic. Take a look in the mirror. I for one would never put down an achievement by an ex player who I used to despise. Look at Neville. You lot can’t stand him but we respect him for being a true manc. Wow.
Why would United fans be bitter about Slippy G? He won his first league title for the first time in 25 years as a player/manager.
Maybe people dislike him because he’s a scouser who played for our bitter rivals, you sure you’re posting on RedCafe and not RAWK, I think you’re confused pal. Are you lost?
SG has done really well this season.
Had his team really good football, very entertaining to watch.
He went the full season unbeaten in the league.
102 points GD of 79.
Beat the team in second by 25 points.
Got his team through 3 rounds of qualifiers in the Europa League, and then go unbeaten in their group.
Lost out to the team that put Leicester out in the round after.
Spent a total of £30m in assembling his squad.
I hate to say this as a Man Utd fan but I think he will go on to be a really good manager.
He's managing a team thats far bigger than most in the PL, which comes with the added pressure in itself.
On the down side his previous two seasons showed a real inconsistency.
His team crumbled last year after Christmas when it seemed they would push on and win the league.
His domestic cup record is shameful seeing as he has the second the most expensive team after Celtic.
His team were poorer in Europe even though he got them to the group stages, his team were destroyed by Bayer Leverkusen in the knock out rounds.
This season will be the big test for him.
Champions League is a huge step up from both the SPL and The Europa League.
Hope for the sake of Scottish Football Celtic can bring in a good manager and get back to winning ways.
Ideally Aberdeen Hearts Hibs can all try and push both teams.
So to answer your question I think he’s done a better job at a far bigger club than Ole had done with Molde. Hopefully he comes to Liverpool and fecks it up though
Both achievements are really impressive when you consider that Rangers and Molde hadn’t been successful for a long time. Ole is doing a good job with us and I think Gerrard is potentially a very good manager, too. I think he should stay in Scotland and try to win a few on the bounce like Rodgers did.
well said.
People claiming Molde did it the PSG way have no idea what they are talking about. Molde found themselves with money to burn after selling Diouf to us for about 50 mill NOK. Molde's budget at this time was 70 mill NOK. For reference this was the 8th highest budget in the league, and about a third of what Rosenborg had in theirs (200+ mill). They then invested these funds wisely. The big thing that changed when Ole came to take charge was Molde's pull. Their signings weren't big names, but they beat a lot of the other clubs to the great talents (I'd put average age of perhaps 21). Quite a few from second tier even. We're talking small sums, 3 mill here, 5 mill there, as well as a lot of free agents. These are sums that other clubs like Vålerenga (~120mill budget), Brann (~110mill budget) and Viking (~100mill budget) wouldn't have issues spending as well.
I'm impressed with Rangers' season, but they are comfortably the second biggest club in the league so it's not as remarkable an achievement in my eyes (in comparison). Also, in the end most people care more for you winning rather than how dominant you were.
I'm impressed with Rangers' season, but they are comfortably the second biggest club in the league so it's not as remarkable an achievement in my eyes (in comparison). Also, in the end most people care more for you winning rather than how dominant you were.
How can you say something you know nothing about is true? Rosenborg is and was the richest club by far in norway because of champions league money. If they had competent people in charge they would win every year. Molde do have rich owners that injected money into the club but they haven`t spent as much as Rosenborg. Claiming Molde is like PSG is one of the dumbest thing I`ve read on here.
Lets put Gerrard in Cardiff before coming into conclusion.
Aberdeen, managed by the greatest manager in football history.
They even managed to sneak in a European trophy.
Wow I thought Rangers were always among the better teams in Scotland. Didn't they know got relegated?
Should we give a feck?
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Or Aberdeen
They got relegated to the 4th division. They were liquidated.
You could say that the fact that many people have given it their all to get to that position while Gerrard got the Rangers job just for being Gerrard is reason enough to mock him.
Realistically, he'll be hyped up by the media when the Liverpool job is available and I think it's almost inevitable that he'll get it because of who he is but I doubt it'll work out. Lampard and Arteta are good case studies.
Just want to pick up on these that were skimmed over. I think pre-replacing-Rodgers, Lennon had one of their highest win % as manager. It's still higher than Rodgers' now. He won 3 SPLs with them prior to replacing Brendan, and has won 2 since.
Rangers have not been beaten all season. It's like criticising SAF for the season where Arsenal won the PL in similar fashion.
I think a key detail which OP is missing out is the fact that Gerrard also went undefeated in the league campaign and had a 100% win record at home.
But having said that, the SPL is very much a two horse race which is decided in the old firm matches every season. Had Celtic won every old firm like Rangers did (I believe?) then they would of finished 1 point of top rather than 25. That says it all about the SPL...
Also I don't buy into the whole Rangers were only recently promoted argument. Only recently promoted or not, they heavily outspend the rest of the teams in the division bar Celtic (or possibly including?), so they are expected to be top 2 every season at a minimum.
But having said that, the SPL is very much a two horse race which is decided in the old firm matches every season. Had Celtic won every old firm like Rangers did (I believe?) then they would of finished 1 point of top rather than 25. That says it all about the SPL...
Also I don't buy into the whole Rangers were only recently promoted argument. Only recently promoted or not, they heavily outspend the rest of the teams in the division bar Celtic (or possibly including?), so they are expected to be top 2 every season at a minimum.
Similar achievements. Both deserve respect but tells us very little in the grand scheme of things.
What has Lampard and Arteta’s experiences at their respective Clubs got to do with anything? Literally makes no sense
They are different people with no doubt different ways of working
And in regards to the Subject matter of this thread, of course Gerrards Title win is different to Oles wins in Norway
2 completely different Leagues and standards
I haven’t got interest in who’s achievement is better, I’m no will measurer
and I couldn’t care
I know very little of Oles time at Molde other than he won 2 titles for a team never to have won one.....I can only applaud that achievement, fair play to Ole
SPL is a British League so naturally I know more about Gerrards run in up there, irrespective of quality outside of Celtic and Rangers, anyone that down plays an unbeaten league campaign is a Moron of biblical proportions, so hats off to Stevie, he’s done a great Job
Rangers got 7/9 points. Celtic 1/9. If Celtic had won all the OF games, Rangers would have had 95 points, Celtic 85 points. So if Celtic had won every game against Rangers, Rangers would have won the league by 10 points.
Lennon's win rate is irrelevant. He was manager when the other lot were in the lower divisions. And even then he managed to deliver the lowest ever points tally for a champion side. He is a terrible manager. His last league win was courtesy of the world class Gerrard spectacularly bottling it and losing to shit teams like Hearts and Hamilton. He was on the verge of getting sacked until COVID interrupted the season. Neil Lennon is that much of an idiot that a few weeks ago on radio commentary for the BBC, he didn't even know which Prague side had destroyed his Celtic side 4-1 (twice) only months earlier. He is that much of an unprofessional idiot that the club didn't allow him to hire his own staff as in his first stint here he and his staff were basically boozing buddies (which led to a few of them getting sacked) rather than anything resembling a modern, professional coach.
To look at it and simply say 'Oh, Rangers were unbeaten, doesn't matter what Celtic did' is daft. A strong Celtic not only takes points off them but they also win easy matches they're expected to win which piles the pressure on Rangers. We literally seen them crumble last season when the pressure was applied. They won at Celtic Park, were favourites for the league and absolutely bottled it spectacularly. It's a lot easier having to go away to places like Hibs and Aberdeen (historically tough away games for Rangers) when you're about 20 points clear as opposed to in a tight title race. Obviously we'll never know but no one can convince me that this whole thing wasn't set in motion the moment Celtic replaced Brendan Rodgers with an unprofessional piss head who had previously failed at the mighty Bolton and the mighty Hibs. The fact that the Rangers twitter account put out a tweet celebrating his appointment says it all.
10/12 and 1/12. So Rangers win the league by 4 points under such a scenario.
They play 4 times a season in the league. Just checked and Rangers won 3 and drew 1. So they won 10 points in contrast to Celtics 1.
Had Celtic won them all they would of gained 11 points. And if Rangers lost them all they would of lost 10 points.
So again a 25 point gap is actually 4 points if the old firms went the other way.
Steven Gerrard should be given credit for what he has done. But, we have to consider that the league is so poor that it is 50/50 chance to win . Either it is Celtic or Rangers. And when Celtic are so poor it is no problem for Rangers winning it.
As suspected, people don't realise that there is football played in other countries. And what Solskjaer did with Molde is nothing short of magnificent. Turing around whole club and making them force for long, long time by setting standards. He even broke Rosenborg monopoly on trophies wich is hard.
As suspected, people don't realise that there is football played in other countries. And what Solskjaer did with Molde is nothing short of magnificent. Turing around whole club and making them force for long, long time by setting standards. He even broke Rosenborg monopoly on trophies wich is hard.
I think Gerrard is deserving of more credit than you are understandably willing to give him and I think he has the makings of a good manager but I agree emphatically with every single word about Lennon here.
One thing people should take into perspective.
Glasgow has close to 2 million people in the greater area (about 600.000 in the city or something like that) - that by Scottish standard is gigantic - it's even huge by UK standards.
Molde has 26.000 - - so Molde is a small hole by all standards - Glasgow is bigger then Liverpool
Glasgow has close to 2 million people in the greater area (about 600.000 in the city or something like that) - that by Scottish standard is gigantic - it's even huge by UK standards.
Molde has 26.000 - - so Molde is a small hole by all standards - Glasgow is bigger then Liverpool
Stupid thread. Ole winning those titles with Molde is on a far higher level than anything Stevie G has accomplished, it is more like the level of Zidane and his three in a row CL wins with the obvious tiebreak going to Ole because he still has his own hair and is not a massive bellend.
They're the same because "realistically, he'll be hyped up by the media when the Liverpool job is available and I think it's almost inevitable that he'll get it because of who he is but I doubt it'll work out" just as happened with Arteta and Lampard. You might not like it but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.What has Lampard and Arteta’s experiences at their respective Clubs got to do with anything? Literally makes no sense
They are different people with no doubt different ways of working
That accomplishment by Ferguson ranks as highly as anything he did with us in later year. Absolute wizardry. Consider the size and budgets of Aberdeen vs the Glasgow giants. Absolutely outstanding managerial achievement.
Equally as impressive i'd say, but honestly it does not mean much in the grand scheme of things.
Plenty of managers win titles in smaller leagues without making it big elsewhere. No one though Oles time at Molde qualified him to be permanent United manager(and rightly so) and its not that long ago Rodgers was sacked from Liverpool
Plenty of managers win titles in smaller leagues without making it big elsewhere. No one though Oles time at Molde qualified him to be permanent United manager(and rightly so) and its not that long ago Rodgers was sacked from Liverpool
Agreed. I don't think it quite gets the credit it deserves in the shadow of the modern obsession over the CL as the only game in town. Yet when Aberdeen won the ECWC, they defeated Bayern Munich and Real Madrid. Other clubs taking part included Maradona's Barcelona and Inter. And then they comfortably dispatched the EC winners Hamburg in the Super Cup a few months later. I would say it was pretty clear they were the top team in Europe that year.
For balance, as I genuinely don't know, what has Gerrard's transfer activity been like?
I don't really get why our fans are so keen to put added value into Ole's time in Norway - it doesn't really affect anything to do with United and just seems weird as if we're trying too hard to validate him.
Quite a bit more sectarianism, from what I can tell. Otherwise identical.
Ole also met Celtic in the EL, with a team that most on here would say is weaker than both Celtic and Rangers, and from a league people also rate lower. Because of reasons.
You can check how that went.
You can check how that went.
Didn’t Ole win Molde the first titles in their history though?
Both achievements are impressive. Neither were the strongest side & they won the league. Good on them.
Aberdeen under Fergie in the mid 80s.
Going by memory, Celtic's defensive frailties were exposed as their chances of Europa League progress was severely dented by a home defeat. First-half goals by Mohamed Elyounoussi and captain Daniel Hestad did the damage as Molde reached the last 32. Kris Commons briefly drew Celtic level but Ronny Deila's side could not muster a second goal and had midfielder Nir Bitton sent off on 75 minutes. Celtic were bottom of Group A before and after, however it was the case that two wins against their next opponents would see them through. Celtic faced Ajax at home on 26 November and lost 2-1, before travelling to Turkey to face Fenerbahce on 10 December where they drew 1-1.
Man's a genius. His Aberdeen achievements have been overlooked thanks to his United achievements which is why I keep telling everyone who'd listen about them. I'm 37. My kid is 3, older than I was when Fergie won the league with Aberdeen. The last club other than Rangers and Celtic to win the Scottish league title.