Players sign for Manchester United, not for Ole. All players know that managers get sacked all the time.
If we extend his contract it should be for one more year or at max 1+1. Three years contract now will be ridiculous.
Do we extend Ole's contract?
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If we extend his contract it should be for one more year or at max 1+1. Three years contract now will be ridiculous.
You dont think a manager has something to say for players decision?
Do you think that players don't put in their mind that they can sign for a club and 6 months later the manager who signed them can get sacked because of a shit start for the season, a very big possibility for any club ?
Lampard signed ton of players in his last transfer market for Chelsea and got sacked 5 months later. Did these players he signed got affected ? No they didn't, because they signed for Chelsea, not for Lampard. They know that these things happen, no manager is guaranteed his position.
And as I said, let's say we're worried about this, why 3 years contract ? Just extend it for one more year.
So you are saying he has tactically outsmarted the other big managers more often than not?Of course he has, don't come here and say it's player's brilliance shyte. Then you have to go back to CL final 1999 and say Sir Alex was lucky the players saved him with brilliance.
The man can't win the argument, when he won against big teams, you out here saying we didn't dominate, and it was a sham.
Two differing opinions, lets leave it at that perhaps?
Ole Gunnar no subs gets a 3 year deal. Reward for delivering no trophies during his time here.
We faced 1 shot on target by underdogs Villareal in the whole match of a European Final, and we lost!
LET. THAT. SINK. IN.
Why would anyone want Ole to sign a contract extension after that?!
LET. THAT. SINK. IN.
Why would anyone want Ole to sign a contract extension after that?!
If we want to improve, we simply have to give him a new contract.
He's transitioned about half the squad so far. He needs a new deal to continue the good work
He's transitioned about half the squad so far. He needs a new deal to continue the good work
I wouldn't extend it yet. We've had a very clear issue with moving the ball quickly and breaking teams down for years now without really a significant sign of improvment. Yes, we have better players who can do more moments of individual brilliance. But we are still utterly incapable of passing the ball quickly for sustained periods.
Ole needs to show that he can start to remedy that, if he doesn't we are only likely to regress not progress.
Ole needs to show that he can start to remedy that, if he doesn't we are only likely to regress not progress.
What a bunch of knee jerk whiners in this thread. We lost a game, it happens.
When you constantly lose semi finals and finals, maybe its more than "it happens".
Absolutely not. Give him the season and if no improvement let him go and get someone else In.
We were by far the better team Wednesday night. We created chances. We were unlucky not to win the game.
We have improved a huge amount since Ole took over.
Are there still improvements to be made? Of course there are.
Who's available that's better?
End of next season should determine, not end of this one.
Is this serious ? I mean Conte and Zidane are actually available now.
I'm not saying sack him tomorrow but this question already has an answer.
5 semis and 1 final under him lost isn't it
Conte? Maybe. I think that's going would be another Mourinho/Van Gaal situation personally.
Zidane? Don't see him doing anything outside of Real.
I also think you are then resetting everything, starting again from scratch and throwing away all the development we have made in the club.
I'm not 100% convinced that Ole will bring us success, but I think he will leave us in a better situation than he found us because he is planning long term. Either of those managers would be sending a message that we want success now. That didn't work out so well the last time we tried it.
Zidane? Don't see him doing anything outside of Real.
I also think you are then resetting everything, starting again from scratch and throwing away all the development we have made in the club.
I'm not 100% convinced that Ole will bring us success, but I think he will leave us in a better situation than he found us because he is planning long term. Either of those managers would be sending a message that we want success now. That didn't work out so well the last time we tried it.
2 second place finishes in a row. Better than anyone else has done since Fergie left.
Does it really matter?
If he fails on expectations then he will get sacked.
How much years he has on a contract isn’t that important- he isn’t going to pick clubs to manage like a bosman player at the end of a year of Woodward or whoever decide they still want him to continue management.
If he fails on expectations then he will get sacked.
How much years he has on a contract isn’t that important- he isn’t going to pick clubs to manage like a bosman player at the end of a year of Woodward or whoever decide they still want him to continue management.
Sure, give him a new contract over 3+ years, just include some clauses:
2.25 points per game over a minimum of 10 matches
a min. of one trophy
CL semi-final
Top 3 in the league
2.25 points per game over a minimum of 10 matches
a min. of one trophy
CL semi-final
Top 3 in the league
wow not winning anything, but being the first looser is the big achievement...
Oh goody let's finish 2nd qualify for the champions league and get knocked out in the grouo stage.
Yeah, Conte is a lot of baggage but the guy brings proven pedigree in the league.
Zizou is less proven but certainly a lot more proven than Ole. Will bring some star power to the club and maybe even help land some big name targets. Also seems like a solid man manager. If he can manage the clown show that is Real, United should be a walk in the park for him.
There's no need to make any decision this summer.
It's not like he's going to get poached from his dream job.
Back him properly, and see if he can take that last step to be properly competitive.
Don't back him, and you get what we have now really.
It's not like he's going to get poached from his dream job.
Back him properly, and see if he can take that last step to be properly competitive.
Don't back him, and you get what we have now really.
We were 3rd last year, miles off 2nd. Scraping 3rd over Chelsea with goal difference.
2nd this season is definitely a good step up, especially as we in effect wrote the last month of the season off, and had that horror start with no pre-season.
Liverpool being dreadful until the last month helped us a lot though. Just turning 2 of those 6 home defeats in a row into wins and they'd have still been above us.
Can we capitalise on 2nd like we failed to do under Jose that time though?
That isn't true. Players come for the manager all the time. But don't think Ole has any particular pull on any player. It is not like he is Pep or Klopp.
You do realise that we don't have a divine right to win, and success doesn't spring out of the ground just because we would like it to.
We have been getting better. I trust the manager who has been in charge while we have been getting better.
The decision isn't between Ole's current achievements and guaranteed success with a different manager. It's between Ole's achievements and the absolutely unknowable result of bringing in another manager.
If we’d have won the shootout I wonder if so many would be complaining about the match tactics. Doubt it. One kick can change everything and some people lose sight of that.
Sorry you're right of course. Two top 3 finishes in a row.
Why would we reward failure?
If he can deliver success next season, then extend his contract. If he fails again, let him go.
If he can deliver success next season, then extend his contract. If he fails again, let him go.
That's natural human behavior. It is only when you lose or miss out on something, you reflect on what went wrong. If you get lucky and get something by dumb luck, then you would try to say "phew" and move on.
I think we’ve gone as far as we’re going to get under Ole, honestly. We’ve seen against Villarreal how a good coach can overcome a big gap in player-for-player quality and win a game (they should really have won in 90 mins, the better team). And Emery is not even a very top level coach, just a higher level than Ole.
If doesn't exist. There is no if in this scenario. We lost. End of.
And in fact, we drew the game over 90 in a manner that we have drawn or lost most of our games this season.
If anything, the result has been consistent with quite a lot of our results.
Ole has outperformed Pep when United have played City.
City definitely have a better team than United, and Pep is definitely a better coach so I don't think one game really shows anything.
For what it's worth I thought we were the far superior team against Villareal who were blessed to get to a draw.
So? What does it matter? Gary Megson outperformed Fergie head to head one season. Since Ole has been at United Pep has knocked us out of 2 cups, won 2 league titles & finished over 10 points above us every season. Are we really at the point where we are bragging about beating them in seasons they won trophies & we won nothing? Because that is the epitome of small time.
So we want to go for some of the best players in the world but are happy to settle for Ole. He shouldn't have been appointed in the first place.
Indeed. City did the double over us in 2007/2008. Do you suppose they had a better season than us that year? Pretty depressing how our roles have reversed.
we haven’t had two second place finishes under him.
Whenever people mention Ole’s record over Pep it actually reminds me of City & Bolton fans gloating about beating United in random league games back when we were winning titles. It’s just pathetic.
This supposedly amazing record Ole has over Pep is 4 wins, 3 losses & 1 draw. Is it really worth bragging about? He’s slightly edging the head to head. When is the trophy presentation?
Liverpool also did the double on us in 2008/2009 and we won the league, then we went on and mocked them, saying they won the "beat United" trophy and while we won the actual trophy.
How sad watching United fans becoming what they used to mock others for.
Also, not to mention, Pep knocked us out the two times we drew them in the cup.
I think maybe you need to read the comment I'm replying to.