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Nicolarra90 said:
Sure, most of the time yes. But there will be key moments in the season where you'll need someone to step up, maybe will be Lukaku, maybe someone else or nobody, but those are the moments that define world class players.

The moments you say, thankfully we have X player.
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Cups are won with "moments". Leagues by relentless consistency.

We've proved we can produce the "moments" very recently. The consistency not so much.

As for "world class", thats a meaningless, subjective term. I'd rather have a team of merely "very good" players and win the Champions League, again.
 

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duffer said:
Cups are won with "moments". Leagues by relentless consistency.

We've proved we can produce the "moments" very recently. The consistency not so much.

As for "world class", thats a meaningless, subjective term. I'd rather have a team of merely "very good" players and win the Champions League, again.
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Most leagues are also won by moments. "Drogba's offside goal", "AAAGGGUUUEERRROOOOOO", "this don't fecking slip lads", "kompany's worldie" in my recent memory.
Just because a few years teams have run away alone with it, it's really not that common.

Of course every team that pretends to win the league needs to be consistent, otherwise you'll be competing for 4th place rather than the title.
 

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Not trying to be a tribal idiot here, but Villa are pretty much a consensus top half side at worst? Whilst most expect Newcastle to be involved in the relegation battle I'd say. Personally I'd argue that there's a far larger gulf in class between Newcastle and Villa than between Man United and Chelsea.
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Yeah of course, but I'd also argue that Villa are an easier side to play at home than Newcastle a lot of the time, for the attacking players at least, especially when Newcastle sit in an organised low block and are time wasting from their first goal kick.

Only saw the highlights and the stats of the Chelsea game, but it looks like a very open game that Villa could easily have score 2 or 3 goals in themselves. Chelsea really struggled to keep the ball and, again without watching the game, I bet having Lukaku up front played a part in that. And the flipside of that is that he's at his best in counter attacks when he's on the end of the final ball, which is where both his goals came from today.
 

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Yeah of course, but I'd also argue that Villa are an easier side to play at home than Newcastle a lot of the time, for the attacking players at least, especially when Newcastle sit in an organised low block and are time wasting from their first goal kick.

Only saw the highlights and the stats of the Chelsea game, but it looks like a very open game that Villa could easily have score 2 or 3 goals in themselves. Chelsea really struggled to keep the ball and, again without watching the game, I bet having Lukaku up front played a part in that. And the flipside of that is that he's at his best in counter attacks when he's on the end of the final ball, which is where both his goals came from today.
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Why even add this bit in if you didn't even watch the game? Confirmation bias thy name is hobbers.
 

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hobbers said:
Yeah of course, but I'd also argue that Villa are an easier side to play at home than Newcastle a lot of the time, for the attacking players at least, especially when Newcastle sit in an organised low block and are time wasting from their first goal kick.

Only saw the highlights and the stats of the Chelsea game, but it looks like a very open game that Villa could easily have score 2 or 3 goals in themselves. Chelsea really struggled to keep the ball and, again without watching the game, I bet having Lukaku up front played a part in that. And the flipside of that is that he's at his best in counter attacks when he's on the end of the final ball, which is where both his goals came from today.
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Chelsea struggled because Saul was awful and CHO kept leaving massive gaps in behind - nothing to do with Lukaku, who won several duels and held the ball up well. Also Ziyech was awful and ridiculously wasteful in possession - absolutely dire performance from him.
 

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What was his record like against Juve for Inter? Non penalty goals?
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Non-penalty goals only? then he scored 0 goals in 5 games played against Juventus (437 minutes overall).

Anyway as the following stat show about his Premier League goals:

Romelu Lukaku definitely is the classic striker that scores a lot against the likes of Southampton, Crystal Palace, Newcastle, Sunderland, Aston Villa, Bournemouth etc. but his record against the PL top6 is mediocre. 1/10 vs Chelsea, 1/12 vs Tottenham.. Awful..
 
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He's always been scoring againt cannon fodder. If you think scoring 2 against the mighty Villa who finished behind Arsenal last season is some kind of an achievement you're deluding yourself.
He'll let you down when you least expect it.
 

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GifLord said:
He's always been scoring againt cannon fodder. If you think scoring 2 against the mighty Villa who finished behind Arsenal last season is some kind of an achievement you're deluding yourself.
He'll let you down when you least expect it.
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I hope you're right!
 

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After all the fans down playing both his and Ronaldo's scoring record in a supposedly weak league, watch them go on to both end up being the top 2 goal scorers in the premier league haha
 

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GifLord said:
He's always been scoring againt cannon fodder. If you think scoring 2 against the mighty Villa who finished behind Arsenal last season is some kind of an achievement you're deluding yourself.
He'll let you down when you least expect it.
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Your bitterness about an ex player is hilarious.
 

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1 goal in every 4.7 games against the top 6 in the Prem then. Sounds about right from our experience with him.
 

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GifLord said:
He's always been scoring againt cannon fodder. If you think scoring 2 against the mighty Villa who finished behind Arsenal last season is some kind of an achievement you're deluding yourself.
He'll let you down when you least expect it.
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Nobody said it's an achievement, but he scored 2 good goals against PL opposition. You don't get to ignore performances b/c you don't think the teams are good enough. It's a ridiculous argument.
 

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GifLord said:
He's always been scoring againt cannon fodder. If you think scoring 2 against the mighty Villa who finished behind Arsenal last season is some kind of an achievement you're deluding yourself.
He'll let you down when you least expect it.
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Completely agree with this. The bloke is a complete disgrace and he only proved that further today - where was he for 89 and a half minutes today. 120m?! Complete joke
 

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The hype around him has been pretty incredible. Yes, he's found his form again, but he still has the same limitations as before. A top striker at times, tactically limited, definitely not world class in my view.

Phil De Brun was talking about some rumour on his pod, inferring that Romelu was sold for non-footballing reasons. Anyone hear anything?
 

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The hype around him has been pretty incredible. Yes, he's found his form again, but he still has the same limitations as before. A top striker at times, tactically limited, definitely not world class in my view.

Phil De Brun was talking about some rumour on his pod, inferring that Romelu was sold for non-footballing reasons. Anyone hear anything?
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Inter are skint and Lukaku wanted to go.
 

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Inter are skint and Lukaku wanted to go.
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No, not that sale. From United to Inter. I always thought it was for purely footballing reasons. That rumour De Brun was hinting at, was that it was about something else (as well perhaps).
 

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GifLord said:
He's always been scoring againt cannon fodder. If you think scoring 2 against the mighty Villa who finished behind Arsenal last season is some kind of an achievement you're deluding yourself.
He'll let you down when you least expect it.
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Our top striker scored 6 in the league last season. Our strikeforce only scored 5 times between them after Christmas. Lukaku is already half way there in three games.

Last time round, we lost home and away to Arsenal and we dropped four points to Aston Villa. Lukaku has scored the winner against both. You have to beat "fodder" to win titles.
 
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If this particular game against Villa was played by Chelsea's team last season, they would have drawn or encountered a very tight game results wiss. Lukaku is certainly a world class player by definition of a strikers role, his technical limitations is what causes him to be somewhat redundant in games against top opposition.

What's funny about the term "flat track bully" is that if a team has this trademark they would typically win the league. If Lukaku scores his goals against teams outside the top 4, he would still have the golden boot end of the seasons campaign.

He's a good signing for Chelsea on the basis of what they need with the collaborative strengths of the team. It's a bad move for example due to his type of profile as a player if he went to a Madrid, City, United etc. I think Chelsea seem to do well with a standalone striker without the most effective phases of play rather contributing at the end of the build up; Drogba, Costa and now Lukaku.
 

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passing-wind said:
If this particular game against Villa was played by Chelsea's team last season, they would have drawn or encountered a very tight game results wiss. Lukaku is certainly a world class player by definition of a strikers role, his technical limitations is what causes him to be somewhat redundant in games against top opposition.

What's funny about the term "flat track bully" is that if a team has this trademark they would typically win the league. If Lukaku scores his goals against teams outside the top 4, he would still have the golden boot end of the seasons campaign.

He's a good signing for Chelsea on the basis of what they need with the collaborative strengths of the team. It's a bad move for example due to his type of profile as a player if he went to a Madrid, City, United etc. I think Chelsea seem to do well with a standalone striker without the most effective phases of play rather contributing at the end of the build up; Drogba, Costa and now Lukaku.
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Drogba was a technically sound target man, Lukaku has improved a bit on that front but that is not his prefered role.

Despite both being tall strikers, they dont have that much in common.
 
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I see a lot of similarity between today's Lukaku and prime Drogba - both very good "target" strikers, good finishing abilities, decent pace in short sprints, good aerial abilities, incredibly strong but limited creative skills. Prime Drogba had the better "first touch", better passing range, and contributed more to build-up play, but Lukaku appears stronger and may beat Drogba on pure finishing skills. There were two defenders circling Lukaku at nearly all times in the match against Crystal Palace. I think Chelsea's other forward players will score more goals this season compared with last year because of the extra space.

Of course, this discussion is meaningless unless Lukaku plays at least one full PL season.
 

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Bastian said:
The hype around him has been pretty incredible. Yes, he's found his form again, but he still has the same limitations as before. A top striker at times, tactically limited, definitely not world class in my view.

Phil De Brun was talking about some rumour on his pod, inferring that Romelu was sold for non-footballing reasons. Anyone hear anything?
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Every player has limitations even Messi. I think Lukaku was not an ideal fit for us, especially down the middle but he's a top striker. I'd only have 5 or so strikers in the world ahead of him right now.
 

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TheLord said:
I see a lot of similarity between today's Lukaku and prime Drogba - both very good "target" strikers, good finishing abilities, decent pace in short sprints, good aerial abilities, incredibly strong but limited creative skills. Prime Drogba had the better "first touch", better passing range, and contributed more to build-up play, but Lukaku appears stronger and may beat Drogba on pure finishing skills. There were two defenders circling Lukaku at nearly all times in the match against Crystal Palace. I think Chelsea's other forward players will score more goals this season compared with last year because of the extra space.

Of course, this discussion is meaningless unless Lukaku plays at least one full PL season.
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Sorry but the two are nothing alike. Target man is not natural play to lukaku at all. Lukaku is a goal scorer/poacher with complete game. He also has blistering pace and can play from the right. His best strength is dribbling and finishing .

Drogba was totally different and focussed more on involving his teammates as show from his lower goal scoring restaurant.
 

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shamans said:
Sorry but the two are nothing alike. Target man is not natural play to lukaku at all. Lukaku is a goal scorer/poacher with complete game. He also has blistering pace and can play from the right. His best strength is dribbling and finishing .

Drogba was totally different and focussed more on involving his teammates as show from his lower goal scoring ratio.
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Drogba scored 104 in 254 with 55 assists.
That’s better than 1 in 3. Which is decent.

Total goal involvement is 159 in 254.
That’s better than 1 in 2. That’s ridiculous.

Lukaku has scored 116 in 255 with 35 assists.
Not that much different to Drogba.

Total goal involvement is 151 in 255.
Overall less than Drogba.

So when we say lower, it’s the smallest of margins. Drogba was better than Lukaku right now but that’s not to say he won’t improve from here.
 

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The first several games for United he looked like a world beater as well. I thought we had the Cf position sorted for a long time.
 

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Drogba scored 104 in 254 with 55 assists.
That’s better than 1 in 3. Which is decent.

Total goal involvement is 159 in 254.
That’s better than 1 in 2. That’s ridiculous.

Lukaku has scored 116 in 255 with 35 assists.
Not that much different to Drogba.

Total goal involvement is 151 in 255.
Overall less than Drogba.

So when we say lower, it’s the smallest of margins. Drogba was better than Lukaku right now but that’s not to say he won’t improve from here.
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Not sure why you quoted me for total goal involvements because I'm not arguing who is better. Just that lukaku is more of a goal scorer than drogba but he plays and has played a very different role.

Apart from drogba being his idol they don't have a lot common in play. Both are physically very strong but they use it in different ways.
 

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GifLord said:
He's always been scoring againt cannon fodder. If you think scoring 2 against the mighty Villa who finished behind Arsenal last season is some kind of an achievement you're deluding yourself.
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Exactly. We all know he can do that.
 

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Bastian said:
The hype around him has been pretty incredible. Yes, he's found his form again, but he still has the same limitations as before. A top striker at times, tactically limited, definitely not world class in my view.
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The hype from pundits and commentators has been ridiculous but predictable. It sounds so forced, like they're all toeing some party line.

Especially when you know that most of them will have never even watched him play at Inter.
 

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Whether he is easy on the eye or 'worldclass' or not, he is one of the top strikers around who has filled the void that Chelsea exactly lacked. He has also improved bits of his game. Why can't we accept that and move on?
 
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