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Yeah was a weak last season for me.

It all just felt very unsatisfying. I thought the Wendy-Marty dynamic was building towards something but then nothing happened. I didn't buy Marty and Wendy loving each other at the end and I didn't buy the kids wanting to leave one day and then stay the next either. Ruth dying also seemed pretty pointless and uninteresting considering it happened so late in the show and the Byrdes had no moral dilemma or control to stop it from happening
 

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Jonah, who most people consider as their most annoying Ozark character, his real life name is Skylar. Not quite surprised by that, somehow. :lol:
 

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Yeah was a weak last season for me.

It all just felt very unsatisfying. I thought the Wendy-Marty dynamic was building towards something but then nothing happened. I didn't buy Marty and Wendy loving each other at the end and I didn't buy the kids wanting to leave one day and then stay the next either. Ruth dying also seemed pretty pointless and uninteresting considering it happened so late in the show and the Byrdes had no moral dilemma or control to stop it from happening
Yeah, I was expecting Marty to pull off something crazy but instead it ended on that awkwardly romantic outcome. I can see why they went the route they did, but I was hoping for Ruth and Marty to go ham and screw everyone else over.
 

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Only just watched the first episode so trying to avoid spoilers, but that Killer Mike cameo was so random :lol: it’s like they spent the first half of the episode trying to ram down our throats that Ruth loves hip hop despite their being no mention of it before.
 

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Yeah was a weak last season for me.

It all just felt very unsatisfying. I thought the Wendy-Marty dynamic was building towards something but then nothing happened. I didn't buy Marty and Wendy loving each other at the end and I didn't buy the kids wanting to leave one day and then stay the next either. Ruth dying also seemed pretty pointless and uninteresting considering it happened so late in the show and the Byrdes had no moral dilemma or control to stop it from happening
Never been a huge fan of this show but the final season was easily the most underwhelming. Some of the stuff was very bizarre and you hardly saw main characters being put in a tough position like previous seasons. Very strange final season for a show like this.
 

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I'm only on episode 8 but

the Killer Mike cameo felt so jarring and out of place
 

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Very underwhelming.

And extremely unsatisfying to not see Wendy and less so, Marty receive a brutal comeuppance. Pair of absolute cnuts.

Poor Ruth.

Props to Sam though, got a good ending taking off with the bible GILF.
 

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It's as if the writers were so into setting up twists and surprises into the storyline, they completely forgot that they had to conclude the story in a satisfying way.

Almost like Game of Thrones, the last season and the finale was so underwhelming.
 

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Only just watched the first episode so trying to avoid spoilers, but that Killer Mike cameo was so random :lol: it’s like they spent the first half of the episode trying to ram down our throats that Ruth loves hip hop despite their being no mention of it before.
I could be wrong but I think I remember her playing some hip hop in the background during some earlier season.

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But even as tensions come to a disastrous high with the series coming to an end, Ozark continues to remind viewers of Ruth’s most peculiar characteristic — she’s a hip-hop head. From listening to The Notorious B.I.G.’s “I Got a Story to Tell” and “Somebody’s Gotta Die” following her dad’s release from prison to A Tribe Called Quest’s “Can I Kick It?” soundtracking a poolside hang at the Lazy-O Motel, Ruth is a fan of hip-hop — specifically ’90s hip-hop.
https://www.okayplayer.com/culture/ozark-ruth-langmore-hip-hop.html

It's as if the writers were so into setting up twists and surprises into the storyline, they completely forgot that they had to conclude the story in a satisfying way.

Almost like Game of Thrones, the last season and the finale was so underwhelming.
I don't think the ending was that bad. It didn't wrap up everything explicitly and it was quite cynical, but I didn't leave me with a feeling that things were incomplete. The message is that the system is rigged, the world (FBI, politics) is corrupt, the rich guys win and become celebrated philantropists, while poor people or the Mexicans are just expendable pawns. I think Wendy and Marty have levelled out a bit between them: Wendy has turned a bit into Marty (e.g. putting her family first again) and Marty has turned more into Wendy (beating up that other driver, threatening Ruth with exposing her murder, calmly accepting her upcoming death as inevitable). Jonah shooting a seemingly honest cop at the nod of his parents completes the whole "the kids decent people, but their parents are messing them up and corrupting them while telling themselves it's to protect their family" arc.
 
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It got quite a bit same-y for me and watched season 4 because of the time I'd invested watching the previous seasons.

It just didn't feel like they reached a conclusion to me, just, ended.
 

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I have read about Laura Linney being great in this, and maybe she is, but my god I can’t stand it when Wendy is on the screen.

Her character is supposed to have some of that to her, but it’s a bit overboard for me when I get annoyed just seeing her on screen.
I was just saying this to my fiancée last night (we are currently watching s4 ep9) …I can’t tell if this actress is a genius at playing a cnut bitch or if I also just hate her face and voice on top of the character :lol: :lol: :lol: I guess perfect casting
 

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Was a weak final season. Nothing in the second half really happened when you think about it. It was a lot of problems. Problems that were then solved and the situation went back to how it was. There was never really a permanent change because of something that came up, just constant overly-complicated issues.

I get that the Ruth thing was the first time the Byrdes had to just let go and not actively try and fix everything, and it was tense for a second at the party but the way it unfolded was deeply unsatisfying. Would have been better if they tried something at least to save her I think, raise the stakes. They needed a reason to save her other than fondness for her. Also what was the point of the car crash? Remove that from the show entirely and it is no different.

The way Ruth was killed was very out of character for the show as well. The boss killing someone? And some back and forth beforehand? Then the awful slow-mo? Just felt weird.

Jonah killing the detective at the end as well, what the feck? He's all sanctimonious like 24 hours ago claiming everything his parents do is awful and then suddenly he's happy to just shoot this bloke in cold blood. What happens when he finds out they let Ruth die? It was just an odd scene in general and also an odd scene to end the entire show on.
 

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Was a weak final season. Nothing in the second half really happened when you think about it. It was a lot of problems. Problems that were then solved and the situation went back to how it was. There was never really a permanent change because of something that came up, just constant overly-complicated issues.

I get that the Ruth thing was the first time the Byrdes had to just let go and not actively try and fix everything, and it was tense for a second at the party but the way it unfolded was deeply unsatisfying. Would have been better if they tried something at least to save her I think, raise the stakes. They needed a reason to save her other than fondness for her. Also what was the point of the car crash? Remove that from the show entirely and it is no different.

The way Ruth was killed was very out of character for the show as well. The boss killing someone? And some back and forth beforehand? Then the awful slow-mo? Just felt weird.

Jonah killing the detective at the end as well, what the feck? He's all sanctimonious like 24 hours ago claiming everything his parents do is awful and then suddenly he's happy to just shoot this bloke in cold blood. What happens when he finds out they let Ruth die? It was just an odd scene in general and also an odd scene to end the entire show on.
Agreed. Ruth gets revenged killed when it was her that was wronged in the first place. Wendy should have died. She was a cnut of a character and the cheese was slipping off the cracker by the end. Arguably, she would have been the bigger character to kill off. She had the guilty about seeing off her brother, her mental state was in decline and the rest of the family looked as though they were ready to leave everything behind for the chance of a normal life. She should have gone. Will the family ever be happy/safe while she is still around? I'm not so sure.
 

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Agreed. Ruth gets revenged killed when it was her that was wronged in the first place. Wendy should have died. She was a cnut of a character and the cheese was slipping off the cracker by the end. Arguably, she would have been the bigger character to kill off. She had the guilty about seeing off her brother, her mental state was in decline and the rest of the family looked as though they were ready to leave everything behind for the chance of a normal life. She should have gone. Will the family ever be happy/safe while she is still around? I'm not so sure.
It was weirdly framed like we should have been rooting for Camila as well. The whole revenge angle just didn't make sense.
 

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borderline criminal that Wendy didn't die a slow painful death

it was the only thing keeping me going at the end there

was a shite finale
 

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When Omar was given a gun by the cop I was hoping/thinking Marty had double-crossed Camila & Wendy after he saw his wife pull that stunt at the hospital with Omar in bed; Marty having no knowledge his wife had gone behind his back to deal separately with Camila and potentially undermine all the work he had done. That perhaps Marty spilled the beans to Omar thereafter and offered up his wife along with Camilla with a possible FBI/DEA side deal he later concocted based on which person took over the cartel.

That might have made for a better ending - Omar arriving (to the gala or perhaps a post celebration party somewhere) to whack his sister and Wendy then realizing she was next, perhaps by Ruth if not Omar. Also, Omar surely would be paranoid/suspicious on the road and most likely would have tried to shoot the other cop fearing a hit or double-cross, at least street smarts would lead me to think this. He would have immediately discovered an unloaded gun and then attacked his eventual killer and could have arrived to whack all of them.
 

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Was a weak final season. Nothing in the second half really happened when you think about it. It was a lot of problems. Problems that were then solved and the situation went back to how it was. There was never really a permanent change because of something that came up, just constant overly-complicated issues.

I get that the Ruth thing was the first time the Byrdes had to just let go and not actively try and fix everything, and it was tense for a second at the party but the way it unfolded was deeply unsatisfying. Would have been better if they tried something at least to save her I think, raise the stakes. They needed a reason to save her other than fondness for her. Also what was the point of the car crash? Remove that from the show entirely and it is no different.

The way Ruth was killed was very out of character for the show as well. The boss killing someone? And some back and forth beforehand? Then the awful slow-mo? Just felt weird.

Jonah killing the detective at the end as well, what the feck? He's all sanctimonious like 24 hours ago claiming everything his parents do is awful and then suddenly he's happy to just shoot this bloke in cold blood. What happens when he finds out they let Ruth die? It was just an odd scene in general and also an odd scene to end the entire show on.
great point about Jonah as well
 

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I could be wrong but I think I remember her playing some hip hop in the background during some earlier season.

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https://www.okayplayer.com/culture/ozark-ruth-langmore-hip-hop.html



I don't think the ending was that bad. It didn't wrap up everything explicitly and it was quite cynical, but I didn't leave me with a feeling that things were incomplete. The message is that the system is rigged, the world (FBI, politics) is corrupt, the rich guys win and become celebrated philantropists, while poor people or the Mexicans are just expendable pawns. I think Wendy and Marty have levelled out a bit between them: Wendy has turned a bit into Marty (e.g. putting her family first again) and Marty has turned more into Wendy (beating up that other driver, threatening Ruth with exposing her murder, calmly accepting her upcoming death as inevitable). Jonah shooting a seemingly honest cop at the nod of his parents completes the whole "the kids decent people, but their parents are messing them up and corrupting them while telling themselves it's to protect their family" arc.
agree as usual a tough crowd in here. I’d have it up there was one of my favourite TV shows of the past few years for sure. So much tension at every turn. The ending made a lot of sense to me, even if it wasn’t as ‘satisfying’ as it could have been. I’m convinced people have ridiculous expectations though of TV these days.
 

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agree as usual a tough crowd in here. I’d have it up there was one of my favourite TV shows of the past few years for sure. So much tension at every turn. The ending made a lot of sense to me, even if it wasn’t as ‘satisfying’ as it could have been. I’m convinced people have ridiculous expectations though of TV these days.
I don’t think it’s that harsh to question why Jonah would murder someone when his entire character this season has been going in the opposite direction.
 

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I don’t think it’s that harsh to question why Jonah would murder someone when his entire character this season has been going in the opposite direction.
To be fair they leave it open ended so we will never truly know what happened. But even if he did pull the trigger I think there’s a certain satisfaction in realising that this is what this family are. They are toxic, they are corrupted and they are self serving. Maybe after hearing about the evil In his grandpa Jonah realises he was wrong about things and reflects on that? I don’t always think everything has to perfectly make sense, leave some of it to the imagination.
 

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I don’t think it’s that harsh to question why Jonah would murder someone when his entire character this season has been going in the opposite direction.
But he didn't really. They showed some reflection from Wendy on the kind of behavior that alienated the kids (even if it might only have been an act), they showed us the Byrdes actually achieving their foundation's plan, which was a bit of a pipe dream before, they gave us the car crash with Wendy unconscious as an event that might have put things into perspective for Jonah and they showed us the betrayal of Jonah's grandfather and the implicit message "you're better off with your parents" from Ruth to give us a reason for why Jonah might have changed his position. Another factor might have been that the PI stole the ashes of Ben, when he had no right to do so. Maybe it still was a bit of a stretch, but it didn't come without quite a bit of setup either.
 

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Mixed feelings. Good show overall but not amazing. End was kind of good but also odd


As is par of the course for this show, there was a lot of meaningless build up.

There were also a few leaps of faith, such as Rachel changing her entire life around and becoming hell bent on ruining Marty while risking involvement with a cartel for what was a fairly small reason in the grand scheme.

Another one was Marty and Wendy letting Ruth kill Javi all of a sudden.

The ending was alright but I expected more. Again, it’s a bit of a leap that the PI would be so dumb as to threaten taking them down on their own property with no back up and not expect to be killed. You wouldn’t expect it to be Jonah of course, and Marty smirking while he did it was entirely out of character. It was all a bit Hollywood dark comedy there.

It was also somewhat odd the PI would be fixated on the cookie jar. He saw it in Ruth’s caravan, and then at the hotel Ruth owned. As far as I’m aware, there was no reason to suspect anything. He didn’t know it had been given to Jonah.
 

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Gave up after episode 10. Shame S4 is so underwhelming, but I can't be arsed anymore. Sounds like from the above posts I made the right choice.
I was just saying this to my fiancée last night (we are currently watching s4 ep9) …I can’t tell if this actress is a genius at playing a cnut bitch or if I also just hate her face and voice on top of the character :lol: :lol: :lol: I guess perfect casting
Linney is an amazing actress who plays the bitch role perfectly.
 

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Gave up after episode 10. Shame S4 is so underwhelming, but I can't be arsed anymore. Sounds like from the above posts I made the right choice.

Linney is an amazing actress who plays the bitch role perfectly.
It seems that’s the case. Not sure I’ll ever be able to see her in a role where she’s not insufferable.

you’re missing nothing from not watching the end of the show
 

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Thought it was brilliant. Basically all the Byrds are all now corrupt power family fecks, including the innocent members and that was the last tragedy of the series. I'm going to miss making mental notes of the symbols at the start and trying to figure out where they apply and then completely forgetting some or all of them while watching, having to rewind back at the end of each ep.
 

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Mixed feelings. Good show overall but not amazing. End was kind of good but also odd


As is par of the course for this show, there was a lot of meaningless build up.

There were also a few leaps of faith, such as Rachel changing her entire life around and becoming hell bent on ruining Marty while risking involvement with a cartel for what was a fairly small reason in the grand scheme.

Another one was Marty and Wendy letting Ruth kill Javi all of a sudden.

The ending was alright but I expected more. Again, it’s a bit of a leap that the PI would be so dumb as to threaten taking them down on their own property with no back up and not expect to be killed. You wouldn’t expect it to be Jonah of course, and Marty smirking while he did it was entirely out of character. It was all a bit Hollywood dark comedy there.

It was also somewhat odd the PI would be fixated on the cookie jar. He saw it in Ruth’s caravan, and then at the hotel Ruth owned. As far as I’m aware, there was no reason to suspect anything. He didn’t know it had been given to Jonah.

I think just giving up Javi was indeed a very weak moment for the show. I could totally see one of them ask Ruth "so what you're going to do, shoot us in front of all these people?".

But the cookie jar was set up sufficiently in my opinion, I find it quite believable that an observant investigator would be irked by the fact that Ruth took that ugly cookie jar with her at home and at work, but never seemed to have any in it. And I think one of them also told him that Ben had a dream of raising goats. So it's not so hard to believe for me that he would eventually make the leap from peculiar goat cookie jar to missing goat lover.

Maybe the ending was wrapped up too quickly, but I find it believable that he felt compelled to confront them, because this was a very personal issue for him (he called them pure evil at some point and probably felt they had successfully corrupted him, when he took back his old job). I also don't think we ever saw either of the parents hold a weapon in their hands during the entire show. And he did search their house, so maybe he made sure of that. Technically he might also have checked their arrest report after their road rage incident to make sure they don't have a habit of carrying weapons. And there is of course the "no one shoots a cop" hybris.

Oh and I don't think that was a smirk at the end, I think it was an encouraging fatherly look, to tell Jonah: it's okay to shoot people.
 
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I don't particularly have an issue with how it ended as such, the theme of corruption among high society worked well. I think the execution of the final episode was poor though. They seemed to swing the tone to a sort of glossy black comedy, particularly in the final scene, which was awful in my opinion. There has always been a bit of comedy in the show from Marty's reactions and witticisms etc, but I thought the tone in the final episode was such a misfire.

Ruth deserved a better end as well. What a pathetic and predictable outcome, with zero tension and a ridiculous slow-motion shot.
 

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Finally finished it:

The ending wasn't bad, it was always going to be one of Ruth or Byrdes family getting killed, and the writers went for Ruth because her killing Javi was never a smart move, it was always going to get her. Story wise, I expected that ending, bad and rich always win, and you can't hope anything will happen with cartel.


What they did absolutely wrong were the characters and their behaviour, oh man that was really bad;
- Wendy is one of the biggest bitches in the history of TV, and the actress is playing her perfectly. However, she wanted to kill Ruth for entire last season or more, and then she was the one hrieven for her the most after Camila wanted to kill her, totally unbeliveable stuff
- Marty acted like she was his daughter for the entire show, and then decided to do nothing for her after the boat scene.
- as someone said above, Jonah and Charlotte going from good to bad to good in one day was terrible.
- Ruth convincing their grandpa with a gun to not bring the kids with them, and kids watching it and being totally fine with Ruth after that :lol:


They did nothing with the Priest though, and he could always be a danger to Camila, and I am not sure he liked Marty, and especially Wendy either, so that could haunt all of them later


Mixed feelings. Good show overall but not amazing. End was kind of good but also odd


As is par of the course for this show, there was a lot of meaningless build up.

There were also a few leaps of faith, such as Rachel changing her entire life around and becoming hell bent on ruining Marty while risking involvement with a cartel for what was a fairly small reason in the grand scheme.

Another one was Marty and Wendy letting Ruth kill Javi all of a sudden.

The ending was alright but I expected more. Again, it’s a bit of a leap that the PI would be so dumb as to threaten taking them down on their own property with no back up and not expect to be killed. You wouldn’t expect it to be Jonah of course, and Marty smirking while he did it was entirely out of character. It was all a bit Hollywood dark comedy there.

It was also somewhat odd the PI would be fixated on the cookie jar. He saw it in Ruth’s caravan, and then at the hotel Ruth owned. As far as I’m aware, there was no reason to suspect anything. He didn’t know it had been given to Jonah.
Wendy or it was her father told him that Ben always wanted to chase goats - cookie jar was actually goat jar.
 

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Great ending imo. It has a very TLOU2 Vibe about the controversy. Thought it was very bittersweet. Ruth went out thebwaybshe should. Like a fearless boss. I was kinda hoping Wendy or Jonah would get killed because my god they were insufferable. But thats their character. They played it great. Only thing I didn't like was Marty taking a backseat to Wendy and making her seem smarter.
 

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The ending wasn't bad, it was always going to be one of Ruth or Byrdes family getting killed, and the writers went for Ruth because her killing Javi was never a smart move, it was always going to get her. Story wise, I expected that ending, bad and rich always win, and you can't hope anything will happen with cartel.


What they did absolutely wrong were the characters and their behaviour, oh man that was really bad;
- Wendy is one of the biggest bitches in the history of TV, and the actress is playing her perfectly. However, she wanted to kill Ruth for entire last season or more, and then she was the one hrieven for her the most after Camila wanted to kill her, totally unbeliveable stuff
- Marty acted like she was his daughter for the entire show, and then decided to do nothing for her after the boat scene.
- as someone said above, Jonah and Charlotte going from good to bad to good in one day was terrible.
- Ruth convincing their grandpa with a gun to not bring the kids with them, and kids watching it and being totally fine with Ruth after that :lol:


They did nothing with the Priest though, and he could always be a danger to Camila, and I am not sure he liked Marty, and especially Wendy either, so that could haunt all of them later




Wendy or it was her father told him that Ben always wanted to chase goats - cookie jar was actually goat jar.
I know about the goats. It’s still a bit silly and forced. He could’ve also checked it right there and then when he became suspicious in the hotel.
 

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I don't particularly have an issue with how it ended as such, the theme of corruption among high society worked well. I think the execution of the final episode was poor though. They seemed to swing the tone to a sort of glossy black comedy, particularly in the final scene, which was awful in my opinion. There has always been a bit of comedy in the show from Marty's reactions and witticisms etc, but I thought the tone in the final episode was such a misfire.

Ruth deserved a better end as well. What a pathetic and predictable outcome, with zero tension and a ridiculous slow-motion shot.
I think giving Ruth a generic ending was kind of the point. Rich guys gave her up, she was disposable. No blaze of glory, no heroics, just a pawn that got captured. Adding some romantic way of going out to it would have taken away from that


Finally finished it:

The ending wasn't bad, it was always going to be one of Ruth or Byrdes family getting killed, and the writers went for Ruth because her killing Javi was never a smart move, it was always going to get her. Story wise, I expected that ending, bad and rich always win, and you can't hope anything will happen with cartel.


What they did absolutely wrong were the characters and their behaviour, oh man that was really bad;
- Wendy is one of the biggest bitches in the history of TV, and the actress is playing her perfectly. However, she wanted to kill Ruth for entire last season or more, and then she was the one hrieven for her the most after Camila wanted to kill her, totally unbeliveable stuff
- Marty acted like she was his daughter for the entire show, and then decided to do nothing for her after the boat scene.

- as someone said above, Jonah and Charlotte going from good to bad to good in one day was terrible.
- Ruth convincing their grandpa with a gun to not bring the kids with them, and kids watching it and being totally fine with Ruth after that :lol:


They did nothing with the Priest though, and he could always be a danger to Camila, and I am not sure he liked Marty, and especially Wendy either, so that could haunt all of them later

I think the second part of the final season deliberately made the point that Wendy became a warmer person and that Marty became a colder person - relatively speaking. Another example of that would be Marty letting go of the idea of witness protection and letting Wendy take the lead, despite actually not believing it would end will (which would mean his children being killed, too).
 

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It got quite a bit same-y for me and watched season 4 because of the time I'd invested watching the previous seasons.

It just didn't feel like they reached a conclusion to me, just, ended.
I’ve just finished season 1, while I liked the build up it’s already starting to feel samey.
I’d like to continue with it but want to see more character development, explore the area and see some positive moments rather than just bleak outlooks surrounding crime.
 

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Random thought, I think out of last 4-5 shows I have watched, 3 had Mexican madman going around killing people, and all of them were good addition to the show.
 

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I’ve just finished season 1, while I liked the build up it’s already starting to feel samey.
I’d like to continue with it but want to see more character development, explore the area and see some positive moments rather than just bleak outlooks surrounding crime.
I think the character development overall is really good. Especially Wendy and Ruth.
 

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I think the character development overall is really good. Especially Wendy and Ruth.
Yeah that’s true, I guess I’m frustrated by this constant need to wash money/steal money and life between that isn’t shown.
Does continue on this path in the next few seasons?
 

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I think in the immediate aftermath of the finale, I was a little disappointed with the season overall but once you've had time to think things through, I think I really enjoyed the season, even if it wasn't quite at its peak. I think the show has become a victim of its own success with fans demanding extraordinarily high standards.