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Abraxas

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Sadly we bought a 15-20 million footballer for 80 million. There is no way to undo that kind of financial carnage. Nobody stupid enough to help us recover it. If he'd shown some talent but inconsistency or there was something to grasp onto to show a real player lurking in there maybe someone would throw 30-40 million at us. But we've seen very little so that's not going to happen.
 

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Oh yeah I'd absolutely pay someone £30m to take him off our hands
Hahaa, yep I'm not sure I'd thought that one through fully ..

Perhaps we can get him on loan somewhere in Europe, hope he doesn't disgrace himself any further and maybe get some cash for him. Colossal waste of money whatever way you slice it.
 

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When I watch Phil Foden play, I think of Antony and shed a tear.
 

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Separately, Ten Hag felt he needed an additional attacker and though he had reservations about returning to Ajax, the target to gain universal agreement was Antony.

Under the management of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, United’s scouts had made reports that left staff valuing Antony at around £25m. Midway through the summer of 2022, United cut off talks with Ajax and privately communicated they would not pay more than £60m.

In the final days of the window, with desperation around Old Trafford heightened and Ten Hag pressing for reinforcements, United agreed a fee of £86m (€95m guaranteed plus €5m add-ons). Ajax chief executive Edwin van der Sar later told The Athletic he had “challenged” Arnold and Murtough to “go as far as possible” at a time when the Dutch club had already sold several first-team players.

Ten Hag undoubtedly wanted to sign Antony, but sanctioning the outlay came from above. Those with an understanding of United’s structure say several directors are involved in “checks and balances” during a transfer window, including chief financial officer Cliff Baty and general counsel Patrick Stewart, who is now interim chief executive, which leads to slower progress on negotiations. Joel Glazer, based in the US, adds a final layer of sign-off.

But ultimately the system falters because, at crucial moments, United can decide to pay over the odds for a player and break their budget. Sources insist there is nobody at the club skilled at assessing a player’s worth who also has authority on spending and can take a holistic view of squad building.
 

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Better players than him have come to the PL and struggled. The real problem is these punts and players with terrible attitudes (sancho) and fogies (Casemiro and Varane) all cost a fortune for a player that could just as easily fail. We are so bad at this. I believed in Antony and Sancho but in hindsight it’s just more terrible business. Amad couldn’t have done any worse at this point if he’d not been injured or Pellistri. So fecked off with it all.
 

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Worth remembering he was a panic buy which shows how inept the whole board/manager are. £80m on a guy who wasn't great in the Dutch league. You can't make that shit up, its fecking tragic
VDS told them to go as high as possible and they obliged. Any other club in the world would've walked away long before that point.
 

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But not to worry ….he’s still getting paid £200,000 a week
 

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Anthony’s price tag was no fault of his, We paid £80 million for a winger that’s ok at tracking back, he has no direct attacking skills and is not being coached in anyway that helps his understanding of the game, The sooner he’s gone and we can move on from this total disaster the better.
 

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The largest heists in history is the Great Train Robbery, which occurred in England in 1963. But in 30 August 2022, Amsterdamsche Football Club Ajax managed to rob Manchester United £82 million for Antony Matheus dos Santos is by far more scandalous than the Great Train Robbery.
gotta respect it
 

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But not to worry ….he’s still getting paid £200,000 a week
Plus he brought all the bs to the club guilty or innocent what due diligence was done by John Murtough must go asap, we need to get ETH and Antony to go with him on the 1st January. We should sell Antony back to Ajax for £25m and give them ETH to sweeten the deal !
 

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Il add Amad to the list of people who probably should start ahead of
 

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Sadly we bought a 15-20 million footballer for 80 million. There is no way to undo that kind of financial carnage. Nobody stupid enough to help us recover it. If he'd shown some talent but inconsistency or there was something to grasp onto to show a real player lurking in there maybe someone would throw 30-40 million at us. But we've seen very little so that's not going to happen.
Well there is, end of season his balance is £40m. You move Antony on and bring Greenwood back
 

Abraxas

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Well there is, end of season his balance is £40m. You move Antony on and bring Greenwood back
Okay, but that has very little to do with recouping any of the 80 million we spent because "moving Antony on" is likely to be for a negligible sum. The die is cast on that one, unless Antony by some miracle suggests he's capable of decent football at any point.
 

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On the bright side, at least our scouts aren't useless. It's just a, shame no fecker listen to them
It is weird how managers get blamed for fees when you think about it. No manager will say ‘no’ to a player if there’s no other options because they want competition and options.
 

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On the bright side, at least our scouts aren't useless. It's just a, shame no fecker listen to them
Our scouts are brilliant, they've bought us Haaland, Bellingham, Nunez, Gakpo, Bruno etc. etc. The lack of a strong recruiting organization lead by a DOF who knows what they're doing - someone that brings data science, scouts, coaches and their own input to recruitment is what's missing.
 

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I have seen enough of him now, take the hit and move him on the cheap in the summer.
 

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If Erik goes, maybe someone can coach him to actually beat a man.

Neville was saying it post game. He should be on the training ground daily learning how to push it past a left back and cross with his right.
He should but to be fair the whole squad almost to a man look very uncoached recently.
 

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He’s genuinely one of the worst players I’ve ever seen. And I don’t just mean at United. He doesn’t have a single redeeming quality as an attacker. Not one.

I’m baffled how he even made it as a professional footballer.
 

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The sooner he's out of the team, the better.

When Hojlund is fit again, Garnacho should start on the right.
 

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A disastrous signing of historical proportions. Possibly the biggest flop of all time. Students of football transfer history will be studying the Antony signing for years to come as a model of complete breakdown of best practice and due diligence.
 

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It’s obviously a massive failure on multiple levels. So he’s not Ten Hag’s first choice, yet we panic buy him for £90m. What the feck is wrong with this club. £25m was probably a fair assessment at the time, given his performances at Ajax, but we need strong negotiators at the helm so we don’t get taken to the cleaners. I just can’t wrap my head around how senior figures at the club can green light it. How there isn’t a voice of reason that says no, he’s not worth anywhere near that much regardless of how much we need a right sided attacker, we will wait and bring the right player in.
 

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Can we pay Ajax to take him back as part of the process of sacking Ten Hag?
 

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When I watch Phil Foden play, I think of Antony and shed a tear.
When I watch Phil Foden play, I think of Antony and shed a tear.
It's the difference when you raise talent and don't try to buy it on a checkbook basis to please the fans... I've been a Spanish lover of United for more than 15 years and the identity of United in the last decade leaves a lot to be desired, you must change everything the estates and start from scratch.
 

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A disastrous signing of historical proportions. Possibly the biggest flop of all time. Students of football transfer history will be studying the Antony signing for years to come as a model of complete breakdown of best practice and due diligence.
:lol::lol::lol:
 

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He’s genuinely one of the worst players I’ve ever seen. And I don’t just mean at United. He doesn’t have a single redeeming quality as an attacker. Not one.

I’m baffled how he even made it as a professional footballer.
Jarrod Bowen is a much better player, scorer, and incisive in the game than Antony... you pay too much for your signings and that is a shame.
 

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To think about it, Antony is the most consistent player we have on the books. He is consistently shit in every game he plays, he consistently cannot do absolutely anything attacking wise.
 

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It’s obviously a massive failure on multiple levels. So he’s not Ten Hag’s first choice, yet we panic buy him for £90m. What the feck is wrong with this club. £25m was probably a fair assessment at the time, given his performances at Ajax, but we need strong negotiators at the helm so we don’t get taken to the cleaners. I just can’t wrap my head around how senior figures at the club can green light it. How there isn’t a voice of reason that says no, he’s not worth anywhere near that much regardless of how much we need a right sided attacker, we will wait and bring the right player in.
Reading the description of the Casemiro deal which happened at the same time (see below), desperation and panic seems to be a key theme.

It's fine to say "we should walk away at that price". But a key part of doing so has to be a willingness on the club's part to accept the consequences, which is that you don't address the issue and you will likely suffer in the short term as a result. But you accept that short term pain with a focus on making decisions for the longer term. Instead there seems to be a lack of longer term vision and/or a willingness to adhere to that vision even if it means some terrible results in the short term.

In hindsight we may have been better off taking the approach that last season didn't matter, we weren't likely to finish in the CL places and we weren't going to try to force ourselves into that position with signings that weren't for reasonable fees and made long term sense. If that meant finishing mid-table or worse in ETH's first season, so be it, you accept his job is secure regardless because that's the conditions you've given him. And as a result of that outlook, there would be no panic buys after poor early results, even amidst the inevitable fan-complaints and negativity.

Then United lost to Brighton & Hove Albion and Brentford, and panic spread. Chief executive Richard Arnold became more visible around Carrington and sat in on a lengthy recruitment meeting following the 2-1 defeat by Brighton at Old Trafford. It was then that staff decided to pivot from De Jong to Casemiro.

The decision to go for Casemiro, a different profile of midfielder to De Jong, was taken despite some internal resistance. It was calculated that signing Declan Rice from West Ham United for £120million, as an example, would have been better for United’s long-term financial-fair-play (FFP) prospects than bringing in Casemiro, then aged 30, for half the fee. Rice’s salary would have been significantly smaller than Casemiro’s earnings of around £350,000 per week and he could have signed a longer contract owing to his age, meaning the cost could have been amortised — or spread out — in the accounts over a longer period. Rice, then aged 23, also had potential resale value.

The Casemiro deal from Real Madrid is one Sir Jim Ratcliffe questioned during his tour of Carrington in March and, as the British billionaire puts the finishing touches on his 25 per cent investment into United, which gives him control of sporting matters, he is tasking INEOS’ director of sport Sir Dave Brailsford with auditing the club’s processes and personnel.

The Casemiro deal, worth £60m plus £10m in add-ons, ended United’s hopes of a move for Harry Kane this summer because the England striker’s wages would have been too great to work into FFP regulations. Kane was Ten Hag’s top choice at centre-forward but United never considered a genuine approach.

United went for Casemiro because Ten Hag needed an immediate impact and he was available having decided to leave Real Madrid after nine years. United’s football department mapped out how he would fit in the team, delved into his injury record, and came to a unanimous decision to proceed. At the time, West Ham were refusing to entertain offers for Rice and Ten Hag did not want to wait. Casemiro enjoyed an excellent debut campaign, playing a career-high 51 games, but has looked short of his best this season and has been out with a hamstring injury since November 1.
 

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Sadly we bought a 15-20 million footballer for 80 million. There is no way to undo that kind of financial carnage. Nobody stupid enough to help us recover it. If he'd shown some talent but inconsistency or there was something to grasp onto to show a real player lurking in there maybe someone would throw 30-40 million at us. But we've seen very little so that's not going to happen.
I don’t even see 15 million footballer; that gets you Elanga, and he looks far more effective than Antony.
 

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I don’t even see 15 million footballer; that gets you Elanga, and he looks far more effective than Antony.

He looks far more effective because he doesn’t play for United. Put prime Robben in this Utd side and he would look like Antony