Who replaces Ten Hag?

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Yeah, all good points you’re making, of course. I think we offer a lot of positives though, as well. Get us competing back at the top end of football, is also a very enticing prospect versus going to clubs (especially madrid and bayern) with little job security (if such a thing exists in football) and where “winning the league” is considered norm and not winning the UCL almost a failure. Liverpool is a different prospect but following in Klopps footsteps is a big one - for any manager and them being able to spend money and compete with the rest to maintain a competitive squad is also a challenge, especially with oil clubs around. But alas, I wasn’t aware of the clause in his contract, as mentioned by @stefan92 ….so I can understand why it makes more sense now why posters are not convinced he’d want to join us.
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For what it's worth, Bayer Leverkusen's Chief Executive quashed these rumors in an interview with Ben Jacobs. Here's a link for the interview (relevant bit at 03:43). Xabi Alonso release clause denied by Bayer Leverkusen chief.

 

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Why are some automatically assuming Alonso wouldn’t want to manage us due to his Liverpool ties? We’re still one of the biggest names in football and it’s not like he was a Liverpool academy product and debatably, even a legend.

If the timing is right, I’m sure we’re in with a chance. It would also be notoriously difficult to follow in the footsteps of someone like Klopp IMO & their squad isn’t necessarily better than ours - that’s subjective and they have some ageing key players.

Ultimately, I think it will come down to timing for him (available top jobs when he feels he’s ready to take the next step) and forward/succession planning. Anyway, will be interesting to follow his trajectory.
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Yeah timing is everything,bit like Fergie approaching Guardiola in late 2012 after he'd given word to Bayern already
 

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As always, thanks boet. @stefan92 maybe you find this of interest as well.
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Yeah well, this makes it sound like they have some kind of gentlemen's agreement to the same effect, so I don't think it changes much about the general idea.
 

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Our banter Club despite being irrelevant in Champions league and Pl more or less in last ten years is still amongst top 3 Clubs in terms of commercial revenue if you exclude State backed Clubs , I think United's Brand would just survive fine .
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Yeah, the "too big to fail" mentality. Will we ever learn.....
 

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I'm just glad he picked up a result because changing at this stage doesn't have a lot of sense to it, it's a last possible resort. It's not really great that its so bad that we're going game to game but it's also not really the correct situation for a permanent successor to come in and I don't really believe there are many better managers than ETH sitting around on the sidelines wanting to fill a gap. Unless I see a team with no spirit that have chucked the towel in with this manager then I don't want to see a placeholder coming in that isn't of the required quality, we have already been burnt with that.

I just want him to pick up some results, give us a chance of finishing this season on a far better note than its started and let the new investors make their analysis. I don't see how they can immediately come in and have a perfectly formulated plan, you can only have ideas because until you're on the inside then you're always looking in, going off rumour, speculation and media coverage and not facts on the ground. I think they need a bit of time to look at all areas of the club to come up with the right strategies, so for me we need to kick the can down the road, let that happen, and back ETH to do his job for this season. If it ends the same way its started then obviously its a big decision to make but at least you've had time to make it and to put a proper project in front of a new manager, not just an unholy shambles. I think that not only gives us a better chance of attracting the better managers, it also gives us a chance of making the correct decision because then the manager is aligning with the club vision, which is something we have not had under the Glazer ownership.
 

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stefan92 said:
Yeah well, this makes it sound like they have some kind of gentlemen's agreement to the same effect, so I don't think it changes much about the general idea.
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Hey, let us cling to whatever hope we have….no matter how slim! :lol:

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Yeah much like the Toy Story puppet scaring off Klopp with his adult Disneyland BS
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Hey, let us cling to whatever hope we have….no matter how slim! :lol:
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Fine... in this spirit, I will say that I am absolutely sure that Carro would rather let him go to United than to Bayern :lol:
 

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Scott Mctominay can replace him. ETH loves him so much, can take his job while he's at it.
 

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People don't seem to notice United have an unprecedented injury wave, leading to EtH playing probably 1 out of his usual starting back 4. It's hard to attack with 2 Rugby players at CB and terrible ballplaying RB. Leftback is the only quality RB we have, on the wrong side..
 

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both @Invictus and I stand for Xabi Alonso, this is a bit like having Alex Ferguson backing you as next United manager :smirk:
 

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Carrick guys a legend plays good football players will respect him and he’s probably the only one that would come at the moment most the other names would run a mile
 

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I said De Zerbi weeks ago on here and everyone that replied to me responded negatively.

I have no clue what you are all expecting, perhaps a Klopp/Pep love child with 3 trebles and 5 champions leagues to arrive on a plate?

De Zerbi is a progressive attacking possession based coach that is doing incredible things with a team that sold it's best players in the summer, while you have a gormless wally from Holland. They annihilated Spurs on Thursday.

Get De Zerbi while you still can.
 

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Ideally I'd like a manager that wants to play great football eg. De Zerbi though I do feel like we'll have to drop/get rid of certain players to be able to play that way and we won't.

If we're not willing to make major changes to the squad then honestly we might as well just bring in Conte for a couple of years.
 
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Potter for me he is premiership proven, and flexible in his set up which is what this squad needs.
 

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Anyone at the point because we have a brainless manager who is out to sabotage this club. Starting Antony??? Is this guy for real? Putting on McTominay for Mainoo? They have lost so many games when these 2 plays, it isn't rocket science. Maybe some mathematician (fan) can do a chart to show the correlation between winning and losing with these 2 then Erik can understand why we are losing. Every opposition wants United to keep Erik, that's how bad United has become. Laughing stock in English football.
 

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What would the managers suggested here do differently?

They won’t have funds due to FFP so will have to work with this bunch of chancers.

I mean it genuinely, ETH was clear in the tactics he made his teams play before he came to United and looks like he’s getting swallowed up by the club and prima donna players, so what would the others do to succeed where ETH has (apparently) failed.
 

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Jericholyte2 said:
What would the managers suggested here do differently?

They won’t have funds due to FFP so will have to work with this bunch of chancers.

I mean it genuinely, ETH was clear in the tactics he made his teams play before he came to United and looks like he’s getting swallowed up by the club and prima donna players, so what would the others do to succeed where ETH has (apparently) failed.
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Exactly what you said, they’d have to work with the players they have instead of banishing them so they can splurge £90m on a player from their old club instead

Who knows? They might actually get a tune out of them when they realise they need to teach them how to play better or they’ll get fired. Might just be a winning formula.

Manager that wants to work with players, players that want to win.
 

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People don't seem to notice United have an unprecedented injury wave, leading to EtH playing probably 1 out of his usual starting back 4. It's hard to attack with 2 Rugby players at CB and terrible ballplaying RB. Leftback is the only quality RB we have, on the wrong side..
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Our season did not get off to a great start well before we had an injury "crisis".
 

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I think Erik Ten Hag is one of the best managers around. He has shown at Ajax that he has the the tactical acumen to excel.

So I've no idea what has actually happened at United. We had a decent first season under him, but everything that we were at good at last season, we've been awful at this year. Can't score, can't defend, even line up properly.

We've run through so many managers that I think it's an 'Us' problem rather than a 'him' issue.

No idea how we resolve it though.
 

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Conte, Flick, Lopetegui, Zidane. Just get someone in who can do better than this.
 

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I would be happy with potter, he seems like an analytical guy, which would probably sit well with the brailsford approach, he also seems like he would have decent man management skills, which it appears ETH does not.
 

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SouthernRedDev said:
I would be happy with potter, he seems like an analytical guy, which would probably sit well with the brailsford approach, he also seems like he would have decent man management skills, which it appears ETH does not.
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The only time Potter has managed players at the calibre we have was at Chelsea - and he got sacked so I’d love to know what you’re basing this on.
 

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I think Erik Ten Hag is one of the best managers around. He has shown at Ajax that he has the the tactical acumen to excel.

So I've no idea what has actually happened at United. We had a decent first season under him, but everything that we were at good at last season, we've been awful at this year. Can't score, can't defend, even line up properly.

We've run through so many managers that I think it's an 'Us' problem rather than a 'him' issue.

No idea how we resolve it though.
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We didn’t score many last year either and we’ve played most of the season without our first choice DM and 2-3 first choice defenders.

Essentially we’ve lost the ability to win games by the odd goal that we were last year.

There is a tendency to say things like 10 players out but it’s more important to be specific. Martinez and Casemiro were both huge parts of our defence and
character last year. Luke Shaw is arguably our best player in terms of consistency.

While all of that above can be considered mitigation; ETH had to find a way to play a more exciting brand of football and score more goals. That was the key requirement of the summer window. Instead Mount and Hojlund haven’t improved us (I like Hojlund but he’s not made our attack any better so far) and Onana has probably made us worse.

Ultimately, ETH’s fate is going to come down to whether Ineos/Glazers accept the narrative of injuries etc. Or if they see some of the same issues as last season regardless of the reasons and excuses.
 

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Our next manager doesn’t have to be the ‘one’. Ideally we get someone in who puts the club first during the time it takes to completely revamp the club and squad. Like a better Eddie Howe - someone who’ll be appreciated and inevitably moved on.

Every single decision should be made to favour the long term future of the club. We can’t afford anymore Antonys or decisions made to protect jobs.
 

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A lot of managers are an upgrade on Ten Hag at this point.

The harder question is finding a manager with the capabilities to lead a title charge. That's much more difficult to find.
 

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Flick on a probation until the summer,however pretty certain he is nowhere near the shortlist
 

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Flick on a probation until the summer,however pretty certain he is nowhere near the shortlist
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Flick would be interesting.

Germany were pretty good at the World Cup and were unlucky IMO. By attacking metrics, they were actually the best team in the group stages. They did capitulate later on.

His management of Bayern in his 1st season after he took over from Kovac, is some of the best I've seen in a while. They were genuinely one of the best pressing sides I've ever seen. They absolutely choked sides into submission.
 
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