We don't need a Manager to hold the hands of our owners and directors to clear out the deadwood. It should happen under a proper football structure.
Graham Potter | Apparently in "serious" talks with Ajax
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Well the football control is certainly new
Nonsense. The only thing keeping him in the job is the delay. But he won't last long after INEOS come onto the scene. And he shouldn't. Though, if Graham Potter is Ratcliffe's idea of a good replacement, then we are screwed anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
When Potter was doing well at Brighton I thought he would fit well at Spurs, building a side with energy and young players and allowing him time. Chelsea didn't feel like a natural move. One of the most short terminists clubs around, "win now" culture instilled at every cell, big profile players on high wages. It's like a humble artisan who works patiently in detail now working for a rich fast food company.
Even if the new people at United want to be patient and allow managers time and a better structure around them, this is not going to be very different compared to Chelsea. At clubs like ours the short term is as important as whatever you plan for the future. Your credibility is based on results so you need to win games while building something. If you do one it doesn't feel like you're doing enough, and if you do neither (like ten Hag) it's game over. It's a difficult place and the new guys have to be realistic about what they want to do and how they do it.
To lift a dominant side under the constant pressures of this club not only the manager has to be a very good one, the culture and environement. The control of the market from the scouts and directors has to be extreme. They need to spot several players with the needed profiles for each position, not only to have alternatives if we fail at signing someone but allowing us a strong position in negotiations, making it clear we're not desperate so we stop getting fleeced everywhere.
Also closing deals quickly and so on. When we signed AWB, Maguire etc it took one month for the clowns at the club to close any deal, just to end up paying what the other club asked for. Maybe they saved 5 M or whatever but we still overpaid as we've been doing more times than not.
And last year I witnessed the biggest shit show I've ever seen at United, with a manager who doesn't even have a full picture of his new team, who has never managed in England but proudly calling the shots and leading us in the market. A club of our size and history being dominated by the phonebook of a crazy guy from the 6th or 7th best league of Europe. Wasting months chasing a player who doesn't even want to come, trying to sign the likes of Arnautovic, spending a huge fee on a player like Antony that shouldn't have been signed not even for free, etc. It has to be our lowest point ever in terms of planning and strategy, and the bar was really low before.
Start building the new house with Potter feels naive and it's not the most exciting presentation card either, but it's their work in the background what will determine our success in the long run and it has to be better than what we've seen until now. The mistakes we've been making for a decade have been so big and so obvious it should be easy for anyone to produce a remarkable improvement.
If that's the case we'll end up attracting the right manager at some point and he'll find the right platform to succeed. This has to be goal for Ratcliffe and co. middle-long term, and if the work is right behind the scenes then it's just a matter of time we get there. If they want to start with Potter so be it, after some time we'll judge their decisions.
Even if the new people at United want to be patient and allow managers time and a better structure around them, this is not going to be very different compared to Chelsea. At clubs like ours the short term is as important as whatever you plan for the future. Your credibility is based on results so you need to win games while building something. If you do one it doesn't feel like you're doing enough, and if you do neither (like ten Hag) it's game over. It's a difficult place and the new guys have to be realistic about what they want to do and how they do it.
To lift a dominant side under the constant pressures of this club not only the manager has to be a very good one, the culture and environement. The control of the market from the scouts and directors has to be extreme. They need to spot several players with the needed profiles for each position, not only to have alternatives if we fail at signing someone but allowing us a strong position in negotiations, making it clear we're not desperate so we stop getting fleeced everywhere.
Also closing deals quickly and so on. When we signed AWB, Maguire etc it took one month for the clowns at the club to close any deal, just to end up paying what the other club asked for. Maybe they saved 5 M or whatever but we still overpaid as we've been doing more times than not.
And last year I witnessed the biggest shit show I've ever seen at United, with a manager who doesn't even have a full picture of his new team, who has never managed in England but proudly calling the shots and leading us in the market. A club of our size and history being dominated by the phonebook of a crazy guy from the 6th or 7th best league of Europe. Wasting months chasing a player who doesn't even want to come, trying to sign the likes of Arnautovic, spending a huge fee on a player like Antony that shouldn't have been signed not even for free, etc. It has to be our lowest point ever in terms of planning and strategy, and the bar was really low before.
Start building the new house with Potter feels naive and it's not the most exciting presentation card either, but it's their work in the background what will determine our success in the long run and it has to be better than what we've seen until now. The mistakes we've been making for a decade have been so big and so obvious it should be easy for anyone to produce a remarkable improvement.
If that's the case we'll end up attracting the right manager at some point and he'll find the right platform to succeed. This has to be goal for Ratcliffe and co. middle-long term, and if the work is right behind the scenes then it's just a matter of time we get there. If they want to start with Potter so be it, after some time we'll judge their decisions.
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I mean we are obviously not going to get Pep or Klopp to Old Trafford, not because they wouldn’t want to but because they’ve already latched themselves onto our biggest rivals. I guarantee you at a different time both would have jumped at the chance to come to Old Trafford, though. Look at Thomas Tuchel speaking about us the other day, he may as well have come out and said “I’d love to manage this football club if the position every became available”
My point is that as a club on the global scale we are simply too massive to not be attractive to the vast majority of managers and players. We are by a distance the biggest club in England and only the likes of Madrid and Barcelona can touch us on a global scale. The Manchester United job is so attractive to a manager because having the opportunity to put Manchester United back to the very top of football, where we belong, it simply doesn’t get better than that in a managerial sense.
The club has been run horribly for far too long now, all because of the owners, as a result everything from the top down has suffered. Bad recruitment, bad scouting, bad facilities, old Trafford itself is falling down. Once we have an owner that actually cares about the club, that wants to do good for the club rather than line their own pockets it is absolutely inevitable that we will return to the top of the game.
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Good points. But where do you start and I mean by how fast do you run?
Besides what some fans believe it wouldn’t take us more than 3 transfer windows to build a team that can challenge for the UCL and that’s just based on the size of the club and the money we have. However I feel we need to rebuild our identity first.
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if Talkshite are saying it, you know it's bollox
On basis of this analysis then Mouriho, Ole, Rangnick and ETH deserve another chance so ETH is still here so leave him in place.
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They’re not struggling at all when you consider everything. One, they’re Brighton. Two, they’ve got 31 points half way through and are in 7th. They finished 6th last year with 62 points.
Three, They won their Europa League group with much much bigger clubs in it then them. Four, They sold their midfield in the summer and have been ravaged by injuries. And lastly again, they are Brighton. Not to belittle them but I think people on here sometimes forget just how small a club they actually are and how much they’re punching above their weight.
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If we choose Potter while Flick, Zidane, Conte, Lopetegui are sitting on their asses it will be just more of the same.
Chelsea chewed him in few months, and we are in the simillar possition. Maybe even worse one (no crazy money).
And its no coincidence that our two best manager since 2013 had best CVs of all managers. UTD needs best manager available not some crazy projects. It's tough job.
Chelsea chewed him in few months, and we are in the simillar possition. Maybe even worse one (no crazy money).
And its no coincidence that our two best manager since 2013 had best CVs of all managers. UTD needs best manager available not some crazy projects. It's tough job.
I think they are a little bit. 5 of their wins have come in the first 6 games. They've got 3 wins in 14 aside from that. In those 14 injuries have impacted them but they've also suffered ay times from what we have always pinpointed at Brighton during the Potter and De Zerbi years where they rack up xG and fail to convert and then strangely for De Zerbi who improved attacking output, they've been fairly bereft at times attacking wise too. I think they've been guilty of trying to walk it too much in some of those games. Definitely done very well to achieve that EL place though. Expect them to get back on track at some point but they've hit a bit of a bump recently which you can point at injuries etc. in some respect but not all.
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Trying to get Graham Potter would honestly just be admitting that we are going to be mediocre going forward. Every decision like that just solidifies us in that 3rd to 6th range.
This guy has already shown he couldn't handle the Chelsea job.
No other top club would give him a job now.
No other top club would give him a job now.
Oh lord
Great to wake up to reports of us being interested in Graham Potter and signing the dregs of the Bundesliga on loan, all on the same day. What a time to be a United fan.
Our club survived David Moyes. We’d be fine.
That's where we've been for years. It has already solidified
That's an equally uninspiring list of names.
All this talk of a football reshuffle and the appointment of the best in the business leading to appointing Potter would be classic United.
Potter under a proper footballing structure at Ostersund, Swansea and Brighton was a good manager, we've seen what he can do given the proper resources.
At Chelsea he didn't have that, he had a scatter gun approach and failed to piece it all together, similar to Poch right now.
If INEOs sorta the backend of the club out, and Potter gets to work with a functional football decision making team behind him there's every chance it would work, but then also there's every chance with that structure EtH will improve.
At Chelsea he didn't have that, he had a scatter gun approach and failed to piece it all together, similar to Poch right now.
If INEOs sorta the backend of the club out, and Potter gets to work with a functional football decision making team behind him there's every chance it would work, but then also there's every chance with that structure EtH will improve.
Yeah their form has been lopsided but even though it was only three wins in fourteen there weren’t many defeats in there and they’ve only actually lost to clubs in the top six and Chelsea, no silly defeats really. I actually think their issue hasn’t been so much goalscoring. They’ve scored 38, which is more than Arsenal and only five less than Liverpool and Villa. I think their defending has been what’s stopped them being higher up the league. They’ve let in 33. Chop and change their defence every week and their keeper even.
True. I still feel like a Graham Potter hiring would be taking it a step further. There has a been a logic to our previous manager hires to some extent. Mourinho and LVG were proven winners, Ole was a continuation of his interim role which had been positive, and ETH was an interesting prospect with good results with Ajax and a seemingly clear philosophy.
Potter is different in that he is proven mediocrity. He has shown he can't cut it at a club with high expectations.
Feel as though that’s harsh
Look at Poch at Chelsea now, he’s struggling too. Chelsea is another beast all together
I think it's a bit of both, albeit you're right that their defence has been letting them down recently more so. De Zerbi has from what I can recall made some interesting tactical decisions (some forced by injury but also some experimentation I imagine). I don't think defeats matter too much if you convert some of those draws to wins. Drawing is what Potter used to do a lot and would frustrate many fans.
I don't think it means De Zerbi is a bad manager, far from it, I just think that as always on the caf the energy was skewed far too much one way and far too much another way i.e Potter isn't as bad as was made out and De Zerbi isn't as good as was made out. I still think De Zerbi is better overall but Potter is a good manager still.
Maybe that's because Pocchetino is also crap.
Seriously though, look at Potter's managerial record and tell me why he is even being considered for the Man Utd job (besides the fact that he is English and somewhat young). His win rate with Brighton was 31%, and at Chelsea it was 39%. If that's who we are going for, we might as well stick with ETH, in my opinion.
Has anyone seen Potter and Southgate in the same place at the same time?
Please, don't disrespect Potter like that
Hmmm No.