Shy Tory?
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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This argument that irrespective of Labour's actual positions or policies you have to vote for them anyway because otherwise you're ipso facto supporting the Tories is one of the key enablers of this country's decent into a proxy of the Republican Democratic right wing dichotomy from hell seen in the US.
It was a question. I did not insinuate that, but I do find it strange that someone would proudly announce they are not voting for a party but then not give the other part of the equation.
If they are voting green or lib Dems or whatever great. Just weird not to mention it and often means one thing.
Because a very left agenda won't win in this country, in my soon to be 42 years in this country 29 of them have been ruled by The Tories and you hear people lefy and right say the country has gone to the dogs etc and yet they still vote for the same people over and again and the only time they didnt vote for them they voted for Tory Light instead in New Labour, this country is by and large a right to centre right leaning country and I say this as someone who would vote for a more left party but I'll never see a party like that elected in my lifetime it's about time some people accepted that rather than moan about Labour not doing x or y, Labour want to win and its been proved over a long time this is the only way unless you have some dewey eyed fantasy of an actual socialist party winning enough votes to form a government I mean Corbyn was closet and he wasn't even as radical as I imagine he wanted to be and he still lost but won the argument or some nonsense
Exactly, before Blair the last Labour government was in the 70s, if the Wilson-Callaghan years count as socialist enough then it's been 50 years since a proper lefty government in power.
I'm a little optimistic with the changing demographics of the UK, discontent with the tory party and the reduction of people owning their own homes that a left-leaning government becomes a reality. Still too many boomers though and Gen X might just be sliding toward Tory too.
Interesting that you think they've earned Villain's vote. What particular policies of theirs would you cite in coming to this conclusion?
Until the system in the Uk changes, nothing will change. If you don't like the Tories and don't like Starmer , there is no choice. You could vote for any other party but under the current system they have no power.
And the Tories and Labour don't want to change the system because at worst they finish first or second.
No. I am not going to pretend that labour is perfect, but I am so scared of another Tory government I am willing to vote labour. I would rather protest a labour government I dislike than have what we have now (and for the record I think labour in their current guise are nowhere near as nasty, incompetent or corrupt as this Tory government are).
If the Tory's get in it will legitimise everything they have done so far and they will go even harder and that terrifies me.
To me, if Labour get in with a majority, it vindicates their lurch to the right and Tory lite tribute act.
They have all but declared war against anyone left wing within their own party. I couldn’t help them justify that disgusting anti-democratic behaviour with my vote… and it didn’t have to be that way. The only people to blame for alienating left wing voters are the idiots in control of the Labour Party. For the first time in my adult life I won’t vote Labour in a GE and I live in what for the first time, will be a winnable seat for them.
If you haven’t read the forde report then don’t question why I’m not voting for labour as a black woman, and worse still insinuating I might be a shy Tory.
it’s actually quite ridiculous
I never questioned why you weren't voting for labour, I asked who you were voting for. Don't make stuff up. I knew nothing about you and that's why I asked.
That's fair enough. I live in a very safe Tory seat, even in 2024, so my vote means very little anyway. My MP is also a massive cnut (obviously).
What I would say is I would say the Rory's getting in is still far worse than labour, even if I don't align with them. I am much more willing to give them a chance than get another five years of an even more ramped up Tory rule
and yet I laid it out quite clearly in an earlier post
Maybe I hadn't read that? Is that possible? Nah.
In fairness, replying "Shy Tory?" does carry an implication
You did read it, this is the literal post you originally quoted:
And somehow your first thought was "Shy tory?"
Like I said, ridiculous.
Yeah maybe I guess.
Christ I did as well, not very well apparently, sorry about that!
It's all good
When is a pledge not a pledge?
Labour to ditch £28bn annual green investment pledge, party sources say
Exclusive: Party will keep plan to invest in green infrastructure but will in effect cut green ambitions by about two-thirds
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ual-green-investment-pledge-party-sources-say
Labour to ditch £28bn annual green investment pledge, party sources say
Exclusive: Party will keep plan to invest in green infrastructure but will in effect cut green ambitions by about two-thirds
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ual-green-investment-pledge-party-sources-say
Thought this had been dead for ages.
One shadow minister said: “The £28bn is definitely going as a figure. It will be changed to specific outcomes linked to specific investment, rather than being a random figure to be allocated at a later date.”
In a sign of how Starmer is likely to frame the decision, the source added: “It was always meant to be formally allocated before the general election, so this isn’t such a major departure really. It’s being firmed up, not dropped.”
Nice headline though I guess.
In a sign of how Starmer is likely to frame the decision, the source added: “It was always meant to be formally allocated before the general election, so this isn’t such a major departure really. It’s being firmed up, not dropped.”
Nice headline though I guess.
Fair play to them for managing to find a way to still do exactly what the policy says but at a third of the £28bn they thought it'd cost. Now that's shopping around for a bargain.
There's one born every minute apparently.
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Stop the Pledges
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Do you think it's unreasonable to amend a policy that was made 3 years ago considering how much damage has been done to our economy in the intervening years?
How economically illiterate can they be?
They are just trying to forget everything that happened after 2008. This type of economic thinking really should be seen as extremist.
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People can’t argue that the tories have destroyed the economy and then say that’s why Labour have to follow the same policy set.
It’s insanity.
What part of those three years has made green and renewable energy needed less?
The economy's fecked, so let's bin investing in the country and not just create jobs but build a sustainable country, we've got more fiscally responsible things to do like capping benefits and making sure those bankers can keep their bonuses.
The Tories destroyed the country with austerity which increased inequality. That’s why Labour need to keep the child benefit cap and have no cap on banker bonuses.
This is very smart politics.
This is very smart politics.
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He's only pretending to be a right wing weather vane until he gets into power. Everyone knows you can't change anything when you're in opposition. He broke his pledges to the poor people in order to become leader of the party and he'll break his pledges to the rich people as soon as he gets into Number 10. It's all part of a masterplan. Just you wait. You'll see.
Are you saying you expect him to… pivot?
as someone who works in legislation this shit does my head in
It will make your job easier if Labour don't pass any legislation. There's always an upside.