The way the club was transformed was amazing, hopefully the good days are behind you guys now and you will be back to pre klopp days.
That's the biggest challenge for the next manager. Some of these players have benefited hugely from Klopp's management/motivation.
I think there are a lot of parallels to United in 12-13 - a team heavily leaning on older players to be the real pillars of the side and a world class manager getting the absolute most out of everybody else and making a lot of those players look better than they are. Take the manager away and the older players leave, decline, or lose a bit of motivation. And what you're left with is a squad without that much truly top level talent and some impossibly big shoes to fill for the next manager.
I think this squad is in better shape than United's in 2013. We probably need a couple of CB's and a defensive midfielder but we're stacked in wide positions, up top, attacking midfield. Salah is probably going regardless of what Klopp does and Van Dijk's not got much left in the tank. I would expect some investment from FSG for a new manager though.
Kinda garbage in all honesty, a far cry from the CL winning side.
I agree Liverpool's squad is probably in better shape but maybe not by much. It really all depends on how some of these players look outside of the very well oiled machine that is Klopp ball and possibly without veterans like Salah, VVD, and Alisson.
It's really not though in all honesty.
Never mind the players, Utd's biggest fault was simply their new manager.
Feels a lot like when we tried to convince ourselves Fergie had left behind a decent squad when we had Welbeck, Rafael and Cleverley.
Except that in your case it was installing the wrong successor(s) that was the real issue.
United certainly screwed up the managerial appointment but I think anybody would have had difficulty following SAF. And I think its likely to be similar with Klopp, especially if players like Salah and VVD leave at the same time or stay and lose a bit of motivation.
On the contrary, I think it might be most beneficial if those best parts are leaving alongside Klopp and we get some signifcant funds for the new manager to bring in some players for "his" system / style of play. We should get a good amount for Salah if he goes to Saudi Arabia, Van Dijk not so much but I figure he's still worth around €30 if he goes to a team like Inter or something like that.
Lego head.
Not a single truly great player there. A few very good ones, and some promising youngsters, but a lot of average and he knows it.
60mil?
and we wouldnt be able to sell Prime Messi for half of that moneyDon't remember zlatan at Liverpool
This isn't true at all, they lost to a good Arsenal team away from home. City were favourites for the league at the beginning of the season and Pool/Arsenal will fight for 2nd/3rd. Maybe one of them can push City but I doubt it unless the 115fc punishment comes around quickly.
Liverpool haven’t even qualified for the CL, hard to play up how weak everybody is when they couldn’t even get in the fecking thing
A lot of those names I expect could look very average to poor under another manager.
Lisandro Martinez exists. Also, there is no guarantee that Nunez would start for us.
You mean Konate, Mac Allister, Szoboszlai, Jota, Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo who have already proven that they are quality players outside of Liverpool?
There really is a hell of a lot of dross there. Also, the chap you have quoted is a Liverpool fan. Just isn't open about it.
You don't think they will finish in the CL places this year?
He's injured... Licha is my top CB but I would pick either of the Pool CBs ahead of any other CB we have. Nunez gets a lot of flack on here because he's so erratic with his finishing but he's on 7 goals, 7 assists in the PL alone. As said in my post, hopefully by the end of this season hojlund has smashed in a good amount of goals and there's a strong case for him to be 'better' but, as it stands, one is clearly outperforming the other.
Lindelof, Anthony, Sancho, Van De Beek etc all looked like quality players too in functional sides. They probably would playing for Jurgen Klopp also.You mean Konate, Mac Allister, Szoboszlai, Jota, Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo who have already proven that they are quality players outside of Liverpool?
Also so narrow-minded to pick out the Arsenal game as "a glimpse of what the attack looks like without Salah". Without Salah:
- We comfortably won at Arsenal and scored 2
- Put 4 past Bournemouth at their place
- Put 5 past Norwich at home
- Put 4 past Chelsea at home
But of course you chose to single out the Arsenal game
Yeah, no issues with the Liverpool pairing in the absence of Martinez. No chance of me taking Nunez over Højlund. He's in a more successful side currently. One that functions better and creates more chances/scores more goals. However, Højlund over Nunez for me.
For what it is worth I agree, although it's probably because I like Hojlund and dislike Pool given the numbers are very one sided. I am hopeful by the end of this season people are arguing that none of the Pool team would get into our squad after we have a storming end to the campaign and Salah leaves them for peanuts.
They indeed have it all to prove but have youth on their side and have shown signs of promise, agree that the jury will still be out on them post-Klopp but to label them "average to poor looking" is a bridge too far for me.
Fully agree. It's not the players which scare me but the new manager. If we get it right (A.lonso for me), then I'm still confident we can build up something new again, wouldn't mind if it takes a few years with us still regularly finishing in the top 4 in that build-up. However if we get it (catastrophically) wrong, it can go down the drain very fast and could easily look like something Utd have done post-SAF.
Even taking the numbers into account, fair enough Nunez has a fair few assists, but he only has one more goal than Højlund in all competitions. That's with Højlund competing in the Champions League, as oposed to Liverpool being in the Europa League. On your second point, that would be a dream of course. Hopefully we can start making better decisions in terms of recruitment from this summer.
Yes but 11 assists is much better than 2. Agreed re CL v EL though, I think that's what really gave everyone hope with Hojlund, whilst I don't think we had the toughest group by any means, he was a constant threat.
It is pretty funny that @Megadrive Man gets binned off in the great Liverpool fan cull of 2020, but @MegadrivePerson pops up a couple of years later as a "United fan" with nothing but good things to say about Liverpool and the mods don't bat an eye.
I'm amazed it hasn't been brought up before to be honest.It is pretty funny that @Megadrive Man gets binned off in the great Liverpool fan cull of 2020, but @MegadrivePerson pops up a couple of years later as a "United fan" with nothing but good things to say about Liverpool and the mods don't bat an eye.
I KNEW THERE WAS A LIVERPOOL SUPPORTING MEGADRIVE!! Was driving me crazy!It is pretty funny that @Megadrive Man gets binned off in the great Liverpool fan cull of 2020, but @MegadrivePerson pops up a couple of years later as a "United fan" with nothing but good things to say about Liverpool and the mods don't bat an eye.
It is pretty funny that @Megadrive Man gets binned off in the great Liverpool fan cull of 2020, but @MegadrivePerson pops up a couple of years later as a "United fan" with nothing but good things to say about Liverpool and the mods don't bat an eye.
Agreed. I've mentioned it a few times in the past, but without any response from anyone. This including the poster in question. Yeah, even aside from their name, the content is very pro Liverpool. Though there are many 'so called' United fans on here who enjoy nothing better than defending Liverpool's honour in all matters, in the interest of "balance". Perhaps this poster has slipped through the cracks due to this weird trend.
Having a look through his post history, he's extremely committed to the cause if they are the same person person because most of his posts don't seem to be Liverpool-related.It is pretty funny that @Megadrive Man gets binned off in the great Liverpool fan cull of 2020, but @MegadrivePerson pops up a couple of years later as a "United fan" with nothing but good things to say about Liverpool and the mods don't bat an eye.
True. 11 is a good number. Though it must be nice to be assisting a player of Salah's calibre and Jota's finishing abilities as opposed to Antony and this season's Rashford. Anyway, I digress. Really encouraging signs from Højlund. I look forward to seeing what he can produce for us over the whole of next season.
Yep, the numbers will rack up quickly for us as the quality increases as well. Quick gentleman's wager, how many PL goals you think Hojlund will end up with end of season? I'm going for 12.
