Thomas Tuchel | Gone to & from Bayern (In Summer)

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If he's available in the summer he'll be a serious contender for the Man. United job if INEOS decide to make a change there.
God I hope not. Nothing to do with his ability as a manager, but he gives me the heebie jeebies something awful. As if there'll come a time when we discover he runs a website from his basement where he looks for young fellas who want to be cooked and eaten.
 

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Which managers will Man. United be targeting then if they decide to make a change?

He's been poor at Bayern Munich no question but he's still won a couple of league titles in his career, regular cup final appearances and vast experience at CL level. So for a club who might only be playing Europa league again next season it seems an obvious candidate.

Klopp joined Liverpool on the back of a pretty poor final season at Dortmund remember but he had an outstanding body of work and was exactly the right fit for what Liverpool needed at the time.
I imagine it'll either be a younger manager or one who tries to play positive football if the change does happen. Otherwise INEOS could just stick with Erik ten Hag if they want a coach with no personality playing dour football.

Tuchel had a reasonable record in some of the cup competitions at Chelsea but his league record never impressed me. He pretty much undid all of Nagelsmann's work in the space of a few weeks last season and was really fortunate to win the league. I don't think he did anything exceptional at PSG either. He's only an obvious candidate for a club with little ambition. I don't want him anywhere near mine.
 

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God I hope not. Nothing to do with his ability as a manager, but he gives me the heebie jeebies something awful. As if there'll come a time when we discover he runs a website from his basement where he looks for young fellas who want to be cooked and eaten.
That's just called being German, isn't it?
 

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Had a six-month fluke spell with Chelsea when Reece James actually played successive games and Kante was still in his prime. We can see his true level now.
 

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Which managers will Man. United be targeting then if they decide to make a change?

He's been poor at Bayern Munich no question but he's still won a couple of league titles in his career, regular cup final appearances and vast experience at CL level. So for a club who might only be playing Europa league again next season it seems an obvious candidate.

Klopp joined Liverpool on the back of a pretty poor final season at Dortmund remember but he had an outstanding body of work and was exactly the right fit for what Liverpool needed at the time.
Potter or DeZerbi. Not that I like both but given the new management is coming from similar background, they all will incline towards RDZ.
 

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Still mad he won Bundesliga last year, it should have been a treble of trophy-losses, Dortmund are absolutely useless when it matters.
 

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Had a six-month fluke spell with Chelsea when Reece James actually played successive games and Kante was still in his prime. We can see his true level now.
Ridiculous take.
 

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I imagine it'll either be a younger manager or one who tries to play positive football if the change does happen. Otherwise INEOS could just stick with Erik ten Hag if they want a coach with no personality playing dour football.

Tuchel had a reasonable record in some of the cup competitions at Chelsea but his league record never impressed me. He pretty much undid all of Nagelsmann's work in the space of a few weeks last season and was really fortunate to win the league. I don't think he did anything exceptional at PSG either. He's only an obvious candidate for a club with little ambition. I don't want him anywhere near mine.
I mean, he made the SF and got to their only final, he did alright at PSG, should have won that final too, not his fault the attackers couldn't finish on the day.
 

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He also doesn't seem like the type to work on a project. Looks like he prefers to work with finished squads that just need the right coaching to hit short term goals.
That’s definitely not us then :lol:
 

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Potter or DeZerbi. Not that I like both but given the new management is coming from similar background, they all will incline towards RDZ.
Potter would be a huge risk given Chelsea seemed to completely overwhelm him. Man. United is double the exposure Chelsea get. Of course Pochettino's struggles this season show head coach there is only part of the issue.

I think Potter is more likely to resurface at West Ham given they likely won't give Moyes a new deal and he can actually do alright with the squad West Ham have in forward and midfield areas.

De Zerbi, no issue with that one. I still feel if Liverpool can't tempt Xabi Alonso (or Bayern Munich make the approach first) then he could feature very high up on Liverpool's shortlist.
 

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Imagine having that squad and not winning the league. They shouldn’t have won it last year either Dortmund bottled it.
 

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Think it's time Tuchel off any chances of him being manager for much longer
 

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I mean, he made the SF and got to their only final, he did alright at PSG, should have won that final too, not his fault the attackers couldn't finish on the day.
He did fine there, but that is also possibly the weakest semi-final lineup I can remember in the Champions League. Leipzig and Lyon made the semis that year.
 

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Ridiculous take.
Why? At PSG they were decent in the bubble but had a route to the final that might be the easiest three games of all time, losing to Ole's United before. At Dortmund they were very good in the first season (still completely bottled it at Anfield in Europa) and then were at their normal level the rest of the way. At Chelsea he had a sensational run of not conceding much and being basically the best team in the world, but after November 2021 they were average until he got fired. Now he's been pretty eh the whole tenure.

He's a good coach but not a super-club level one. At least a step or two below. He can't coach a cohesive attack that sustains pressure in the final third, which is what teams like Bayern should possess.
 

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I can see him going to Newcastle at some point..
 

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Why? At PSG they were decent in the bubble but had a route to the final that might be the easiest three games of all time, losing to Ole's United before. At Dortmund they were very good in the first season (still completely bottled it at Anfield in Europa) and then were at their normal level the rest of the way. At Chelsea he had a sensational run of not conceding much and being basically the best team in the world, but after November 2021 they were average until he got fired. Now he's been pretty eh the whole tenure.

He's a good coach but not a super-club level one. At least a step or two below. He can't coach a cohesive attack that sustains pressure in the final third, which is what teams like Bayern should possess.
Completely agree. His best characteristic at Chelsea was being defensively organised. Once that went out of the window it was over for him.
 

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He lost the plot with us and really surprising he walked in to the Bayern job in the first place.
 

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Keep having to double take the thread title, as I keep expecting it to say gone from Bayern.
 

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With his abrasive personality, there cant be too many glamorous clubs he could go too… especially if he’s not doing the business at arguably one of the easiest elite gigs in world football.
 

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With his abrasive personality, there cant be too many glamorous clubs he could go too… especially if he’s not doing the business at arguably one of the easiest elite gigs in world football.
He’ll probably end up at Newcastle when they sack Howe
 
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He’s a good coach, a top cup manager.

He’s not the man if you wanna be a top league side. I mean, one second placed season with Dortmund before finishing third behind Ralph fecking Hasenhüttl certainly doesn’t dispel that.
Oh, and certainly nor does winning a one horse race with a squad the wage the size of the rest of Ligue 1 put together before ultimately half being responsible for them losing said one horse league.

Show me a good club in a good league where his league performances have been consistent and haven’t gotten considerably worse season on season.

No amount of complaining is gonna make a man with only 2 league titles in a one horse league where he also lost one look a top league manager.
Nothing has changed since this post, he’s just doing a ridiculously good job at hammering home my point even as fecking Bayern manager.
 

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This is one of the worst performances from a top level manager at an elite club I can remember. A top club that added the best all round striker in the world in the summer.

I think his reputation will see him sign for a Saudi team next. I can’t see him getting another top job in Europe for a while after this.
 

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Oh well it is because, according to some posters on here, Bayern are actually doing great and it is only Leverkusen having such a great season making them look bad.
They are not doing great. They exited the cup against a third league team, which is a disaster, and they so far played a pretty terrible CL season (for their standards). Nonetheless they are getting better results in the league than last year and on a level that absolutely would win them the title in almost every year.

Alonso's Leverkusen just equalled Bayern's record for the most unbeaten games of a German team in all competitions in a row (31, previously held by Flick's sextuple winning Bayern alone - although it's BL, CL, Cup for Flick and "only" BL, EL, Cup for Alonso). That's really not Tuchel's fault
 

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They are not doing great. They exited the cup against a third league team, which is a disaster, and they so far played a pretty terrible CL season (for their standards). Nonetheless they are getting better results in the league than last year and on a level that absolutely would win them the title in almost every year.

Alonso's Leverkusen just equalled Bayern's record for the most unbeaten games of a German team in all competitions in a row (31, previously held by Flick's sextuple winning Bayern alone - although it's BL, CL, Cup for Flick and "only" BL, EL, Cup for Alonso). That's really not Tuchel's fault
What is Tuchel's fault, however, is that Bayern have been carried almost exclusively by the individual brilliance of their players and that one would struggle to name them having more than a handful of truly good performances this season.

This run was always coming, they have been playing like crap and are only starting to be found out.
 

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They are not doing great. They exited the cup against a third league team, which is a disaster, and they so far played a pretty terrible CL season (for their standards). Nonetheless they are getting better results in the league than last year and on a level that absolutely would win them the title in almost every year.

Alonso's Leverkusen just equalled Bayern's record for the most unbeaten games of a German team in all competitions in a row (31, previously held by Flick's sextuple winning Bayern alone - although it's BL, CL, Cup for Flick and "only" BL, EL, Cup for Alonso). That's really not Tuchel's fault
I know that such comparisons are very popular, but the problem with it is that you are comparing points averages between different years, therefore against completely different opponents with different squads, coaches etc.

The differences can be quite significant from one year to another which teams like Stuttgart show.
 

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His managerial career in the past 2 years can be summed up in one episode: "Thomas goes Tuhel"
 

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His bundesliga record this season isn't bad it just happened to face Xabi Alonso's Bayer who had been incredible. The last 3 games have been an horror show for them and I wouldn't be surprised if he's sacked at this point.