Ineos need to determine the United way first as Ratcliffe talked about in the interview. Then it's up to them to decide whether Ten Hag is the right coach to get us to play that way. EtH said when he came here we wouldn't be playing like Ajax. Maybe that was his view of the United way, maybe that's what the club leadership told him, no idea really.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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Like Erik ten Hag maybe? I don’t see why not.
I followed that post up with another one afterwards but I’ve said in other threads, the notion that Ineos coming in will relieve pressure on EtH is fanciful, it will actually increase.
I’m certainly not calling for him to be sacked immediately but frankly if we can’t improve on this manager, in terms of performance alone, in the Summer then we may as well pack up.
Ineos aren’t going to give any manager X amount of years of poor performance whilst the squad is built, they’ll be minimum expectations & we should all hope those expectations are higher than 14 losses by Christmas.
SjR said, they will set the expectations in terms of playing style & will buy the players, then it’s up to the manager. The cult of personality people have with the manager is going to be severely tested cause they’re no longer the be all & end all, neither should they be.
EtH is cooked.
Exactly this. What's the point of getting these managers if they will be forced to play 'the United Way'. Which somehow has been interpreted to counter attacking with Rashford. Unless Ineos and the new structure manage to change decades old thinking getting the likes of De Zerbi and telling him to play counter attacking football is pointless. Might as well keep ETH or get Conte
Obviously. He is gone as soon as the new board thinks the timing is right. Might be in summer, or depending on continued bad results, before and soon.
It's been almost 2 years, mitigating factors aside the team looks like crap. They look like they have no clue. Your standards have to be pretty low to now believe things should not be much better than they presently are...
I think the style of play has already been decided, bringing over City's CEO tells me the direction they intend to go. It won't be the same obviously as there's only one Pep, but it will be attack and control focused, quick play. It absolutely won't be counterattacking based.
Well they've already made a decision on the upper management team around the manager, from what we've also heard they're planning double figure player sales in the summer so they've made their mind up about the squad, and they've already decided what they're going to do with the stadium. Why would they be yet to make a decision on the manager? They know exactly what's going to happen come the end of the season.
I agree with the bolded sentences. Totally.
But let’s just pretend last season didn’t happen. This season has been totally in keeping with the final Ole/Rangnick season. That’s why I banged on about ten Hag over achieving last year so much previously. Its not that we shouldn’t be winning trophies and finishing minimum top 4, of course we should be challenging for PL/CL titles but the fact is this club is in such a state top to bottom that that just isn’t realistic.
Its not about low standards to say we are rubbish, obviously we all aspire to win the biggest titles but we aren’t there and we are even behind (developmentally speaking) clubs like Brighton, Villa and Spurs. We need some realism.
To quote a wise man, “we need to walk to the correct solutions, not run to the wrong solutions”. Sacking Erik feels like running to the wrong solution.
the more I think about it. The more I want Nagelsmann
ETH needs to go though. Like has been repeated to death the tactics are aweful and are indicative of his lack of the necessary steel to lear the team. Watch the analysis on MNF and the indecision is clear as day. We are playing a high and a low block at the same time. The fact that he can't decide on a specific tactic and make the team stick to it shows how severally he is lacking. For me the first indication that he was not the right man to lead us forward is not even tactics but he seems unsure even in his team selection. Zero inventiveness and zero risk.
This is exactly how it’s felt from the moment they got the Citeh guy. I don’t think reactionary things like if he gets Champions League will be the reason he keeps or loses his role.
De Zerbi for me. Keeping Brighton competitive with a distinct style of play with a bigger injury list than us.
Also he has dominated ETH in every game they’ve played.
Also he has dominated ETH in every game they’ve played.
I disagree here too. His preferred starting 11 is obvious. Our first 11 is very good, and can beat any team in this league on their day. Our problem is that our squad is poor in both depth and quality, so when we get an injury or absence the drop off is insane.
We just need to do a City and provide him with 2 world class players in every position.
From what I've read, De Zerbi would just quit.
I also don't think we're wedded to counter-attacking football. Van Gaal had us dominating possession, it's just that we only scored 49 goals in the league and couldn't get through as weak a CL group (CSKA, Wolfsburg, PSV) as you can hope for, and also the players seemed to turn on him.
Precisely!
Frustrating that there isn’t a sure fire replacement out there like Pep was for City and Klopp Liverpool.
All the options available have big question marks still there. I’m not saying keep Ten Hag but it would be great to have someone I’d feel close to certain of bringing us sustained success like the two mentioned.
All the options available have big question marks still there. I’m not saying keep Ten Hag but it would be great to have someone I’d feel close to certain of bringing us sustained success like the two mentioned.
Personally think Alonso is the closest thing we’ve seen to Klopp, problem is he’s going to fecking replace Klopp.
Inzaghi and Naglesmann seem like the next obvious choices. I’d be happy with either even if they aren’t guarantees.
Feel like we’ve always changed managers at annoying times. Never outstanding candidates when we need them/Woodward being useless.
He wouldn’t know World Class if it slapped him in the face. He’d just buy The Eredivisie All Stars.
A few would be good, ala Martinez but he’d have his fair share of Antony’s.
I actually see it as a blessing in a way. SAF being here for so long is part of what set us back in terms of structure. His success meant that we didn't believe in the need for structure above the manager. Getting a less experienced, but really good tactician would allow us to establish that structure at the club without having the aura of a Mourinho, Pep or Klopp stopping us from implementing it. There are good coaches who have not had the chance to implement their systems in a powerhouse club, who with the right opportunity, would be seen as top level managers (De Zerbi), Alonso etc.. There are also good managers who have proven themselves, but had to deal with pressure outside of their play on the pitch ( Naglesmann, Tuchel, Valverde etc.). These managers exist, we just need to use data and interviews to find the right one.
Cognitive dissonance in one post.
He’d have to win the league to cause them to reconsider at this point I feel. We’ve all seen enough and heard enough to know this is as good as it gets under Ten Hag.
Yea, probably. Seen a lot of it from EtH’s management so it must be catching.
I think the next manager has to be from the premier league and knows the league.
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Neville's a busy body and fecked in the head.
He has no off button for his brain. One loss in 7 games and he's gone to an extreme again. This was the same guy that has been very happy for the last month.
I'm done with him at this point. This fecker thinks he knows it all and is better than everyone. But we all saw at Valencia what he actually had in his locker.
Sick of him and his views being everywhere.
I get the feeling he might be the front runner. I can see a coach like him benefiting massively from our large scale hierarchy changes.
I agree. He could've hoarded all of the players he's sold or got rid of just to be around just in case. But he's a actually thinned the squad in a way of delaying gratification so he could fill it up again when the new owners came.
He would have explained this to INEOS by now too and I don't think they will be against atleast giving him til the end of the season. If between now and then he has his first choice 11 around again and we win most games with them, then I can see INEOS extending his contract.
They want the best man for the job and won't be able to criticise him for the discipline he's trying to instill into this squad. Ten Hag needs his first choice 11 of Onana Dalot Varane Martinez Shaw Mainoo Casemiro Fernandes Garnacho Hojlund Rashford.
And he needs it as often as possible to have a genuine audition. Up until this week he was passing it. Even without Martinez and a fully fit Shaw.
I second this. He's not very inciteful, but he speaks like he is.
The guy needs to go home and spend some time with the family, he's seems to be on everything these days.
I was one of the biggest advocates for him after Ole, but after 18 months, there are still too many fundamental issues with the way he sets up the team and there hasn't been any indication he will or knows how to fix them.
I didn’t want him, he was unknown. I was in favour of Poch so what do I know?!!
I can't believe De Zerbi still has so much hype. I don't think many people watch a lot of Brighton. They do play "attractive" football, no doubt, but if he replicated his style of play here, we'd end up with a 200-page thread on whether his team is defensively sound enough to ever properly challenge. His team has won just 4-5 out of their past 20 league games. Yes, injuries are a factor, but his squad is more capable than that.
Good coach, will probably land a big club at some point, but he is not the one for us.
Good coach, will probably land a big club at some point, but he is not the one for us.
Whoever it is, needs to be a pure coach and have no final say on transfers. He can specify the profile of player wanted and leave it to others to negotiate.
I'm in the ETH Out camp but only 80/20 in that direction. He got his transfers massively, epically and tragically wrong with the exception of Martinez. So if he's going to stay he cannot have any final say over transfers in or out whatsoever. Sorry, Eric, but you can't be trusted with a transfer budget.
Eric also is too soft when it comes to player management. Bruno has been horrifying almost the entire season and should have been at least subbed off a few occasions and benched on other occasions. Rashford came back straight into the starting XI after disgracing the club in Belfast.
But if not Eric, who? I worry about some of the big name managers who couldn't hack it at clubs which are walks in the park compared to United. I'd rather take a punt on a manager who succeeded at a smaller club than a manager who failed at a bigger club.
Eric also is too soft when it comes to player management. Bruno has been horrifying almost the entire season and should have been at least subbed off a few occasions and benched on other occasions. Rashford came back straight into the starting XI after disgracing the club in Belfast.
But if not Eric, who? I worry about some of the big name managers who couldn't hack it at clubs which are walks in the park compared to United. I'd rather take a punt on a manager who succeeded at a smaller club than a manager who failed at a bigger club.
Never gonna happen. Transfers are fundamental to a head coaches plans and future employment to leave the responsibility to someone else.
The say they should have is identifying what roles they need. What type of players.
A starting level CB who can play out from the back, strong in the air, has pace for example. The recruitment team should then be scouting these players and deciding who to get. Ten Hag is a manager, his speciality is coaching players and managing his players. His specialty isn't scouting or to know what the real level of some CB in France or Germany is. The managers role in transfers should end at basically the point of identifying their needs for their team, and then they wait for the club to sign the player for them. Given how much research others put into the topic, it's actually really stupid to have the manager decide whether a certain player should be signed. He doesn't have time to actually learn enough about the amount of targets they can go through.
The key word was 'final'. Happens a lot at successful clubs.
Well can we blame him for the players that are fit looking uncoached?
Can we blame him for the team having no defensive structure and getting overrun in midfield most games and allowing 25+ shots on our goal every game?
Can we blame him for the team barely looking like they knew how to move the ball up the pitch or create more than 2 chances in a game for most of the season?
Nobody says he should pick the players himself, but he isn’t going to give up his veto if he knows what’s good for him.
With specific regard to ETH, the club failed him. He wanted a striker and the club floundered so he pushed last minute for Antony. He wanted FDJ but the club made a mess of it and he ended up with Casemiro (an excellent player but hardly like for like with Frenkie)