Give it to Giggs.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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And people on here are still saying they want Tuchel? Please. Get that man as far away as possible from our club.
We were promised 10/10 people. Best in class, no fecking Potter. He is a good coach after all, but would be well and truly underwhelming. I'd rather stick with EtH.
Potter is so overrated. He didn’t even play attractive football, it’s just possession football, but the patterns are underwhelming, the link up play is average. I think people were impressed he did it at Brighton but I don’t even find it all that exciting to watch.
I think De Zerbi is overrated and wouldn’t want him at United, but at least he plays “attractive” football.
I think both of those coaches have a very very evident ceiling.
Issue with Potter is same as Ten Hag - zero charisma. We need someone to come in and cause an earthquake.
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Ruben Amorim is the obvious choice, with players and managers United are always signing persons after they’ve had their big break, with ineous ashworth and this new direction, we should be bringing someone innovative in. Amorim has brilliant relations with his players and also handles media well and has massive like ability. This is who I’d like to see, need a totally new direction and he fits the profile
I am neither ETH in or out. I see valid arguments on both sides of the barricade and quite frankly I love that such decision will be taken by competent people for once rather then Woodward, Arnold and co. However let's say ETH had to leave or want to leave. Whose your alternative to him?
The media keeps linking us to De Zerbi and Potter. However there is, in my opinion, a far better alternative to both ie Simone Inzaghi.
The younger brother of Oscar winning Pippo Inzaghi, Simone was a decent player himself. The Inzaghis played very much the same style of football, they were goal poachers with poor technical skills who would stay at the edge of the offside line to beat, cheat and dive their way to a goal. That's not something to be proud about but it kind of reveal a person whose capable of fully use his limited resources to hit beyond his weight. That's something Simone Inzaghi would carry in his managerial career.
Simone Inzaghi rose through the ranks of Lazio to become first interim manager under Pioli and then permanent manager after Bielsa left after two days (the club refused to bring the players he wanted). Being a manager under Lolito is not nice as Lolito makes Levy look like Ole. The guy had tight control over the purse strings and was even given a 2 year prison sentence for stock rigging. Being a manager under Lolito meant having to hit beyond your weight class while workint with a shoe string budget. Inzaghi had to make due with a transfer market made up of players who failed elsewhere (ie Immobile), loans and the occasional decent signing that didn't went over the board. I doubt that he ever spent beyond 30m on one player.
Inzaghi did very well with Lazio. He guided them 5th place and a final to the Italian cup in their first year, they finished 5th again the season after narrowingly losing the 4th spot in a last match against Inter, they won the Coppa Italia in 2018-2019 and the super coppa italiana and CL qualification the year later. That made history as Lazio hasn't played the CL since 2007. It was then when Inter came knocking the door
At Inter he was spectacular. In his first year he won the super coppa italiana and the italian cup while reaching 2nd place. He won those trophies again in the second year while reaching the CL final as well. This season he's set to win the Serie A title (Inter are 12 points clear off Juventus). Once again he worked with a shoe string budget built mostly on loans, free transfers and small fee transfers. Anyone having a look at Inter will recognise certain names such as Darmian and Mkhitaryan. Simone Inzaghi integrated them into his team and he turned them successful.
Inzaghi is described as a super man manager whose able to adapt and squeeze every ounce of talent out of his team. He shares Conte's defensive principles but he injects a far more creative take to the game. More details on his style can be seen here
Weaknesses
Inzaghi plays a 3-5-2 system and we play with flanks. He'll probably be able to adapt his system for us (the guy is all about adapting) but expect some bumpy rides on the way.
Strengths
Inzaghi has a history of working with difficult admin and to make due with most of what he has. He is a superb man manager and he is a scavenger by nature. If the guy can build a successful side with the likes of Darmian, Mkhitaryan and Sanchez then surely he can do the same with the likes of Maguire, Rashford, Antony and even Sancho. His contract run till 2025 and he's around half ETH's salary which makes him easier to poach.
Conclusion
While there would be some bumpy rides to adapt to Inzaghi system, I think that INEOS would love the man. He is capable of working with the talent he's got, he's a superb man manager and expects little for maximum benefit. Inter had scored 67 Serie A goals this season (against Juve 41, Milan 51 and Atalanta 48) and had conceded just 12 goals which is less then even an Allegri led Juventus.
The media keeps linking us to De Zerbi and Potter. However there is, in my opinion, a far better alternative to both ie Simone Inzaghi.
The younger brother of Oscar winning Pippo Inzaghi, Simone was a decent player himself. The Inzaghis played very much the same style of football, they were goal poachers with poor technical skills who would stay at the edge of the offside line to beat, cheat and dive their way to a goal. That's not something to be proud about but it kind of reveal a person whose capable of fully use his limited resources to hit beyond his weight. That's something Simone Inzaghi would carry in his managerial career.
Simone Inzaghi rose through the ranks of Lazio to become first interim manager under Pioli and then permanent manager after Bielsa left after two days (the club refused to bring the players he wanted). Being a manager under Lolito is not nice as Lolito makes Levy look like Ole. The guy had tight control over the purse strings and was even given a 2 year prison sentence for stock rigging. Being a manager under Lolito meant having to hit beyond your weight class while workint with a shoe string budget. Inzaghi had to make due with a transfer market made up of players who failed elsewhere (ie Immobile), loans and the occasional decent signing that didn't went over the board. I doubt that he ever spent beyond 30m on one player.
Inzaghi did very well with Lazio. He guided them 5th place and a final to the Italian cup in their first year, they finished 5th again the season after narrowingly losing the 4th spot in a last match against Inter, they won the Coppa Italia in 2018-2019 and the super coppa italiana and CL qualification the year later. That made history as Lazio hasn't played the CL since 2007. It was then when Inter came knocking the door
At Inter he was spectacular. In his first year he won the super coppa italiana and the italian cup while reaching 2nd place. He won those trophies again in the second year while reaching the CL final as well. This season he's set to win the Serie A title (Inter are 12 points clear off Juventus). Once again he worked with a shoe string budget built mostly on loans, free transfers and small fee transfers. Anyone having a look at Inter will recognise certain names such as Darmian and Mkhitaryan. Simone Inzaghi integrated them into his team and he turned them successful.
Inzaghi is described as a super man manager whose able to adapt and squeeze every ounce of talent out of his team. He shares Conte's defensive principles but he injects a far more creative take to the game. More details on his style can be seen here
Weaknesses
Inzaghi plays a 3-5-2 system and we play with flanks. He'll probably be able to adapt his system for us (the guy is all about adapting) but expect some bumpy rides on the way.
Strengths
Inzaghi has a history of working with difficult admin and to make due with most of what he has. He is a superb man manager and he is a scavenger by nature. If the guy can build a successful side with the likes of Darmian, Mkhitaryan and Sanchez then surely he can do the same with the likes of Maguire, Rashford, Antony and even Sancho. His contract run till 2025 and he's around half ETH's salary which makes him easier to poach.
Conclusion
While there would be some bumpy rides to adapt to Inzaghi system, I think that INEOS would love the man. He is capable of working with the talent he's got, he's a superb man manager and expects little for maximum benefit. Inter had scored 67 Serie A goals this season (against Juve 41, Milan 51 and Atalanta 48) and had conceded just 12 goals which is less then even an Allegri led Juventus.
The problem with people like that was that no manager was allowed to come in and upset the apple cart. You think of Jose, Van Gaal, now Ten Hag. They all came in with a bit about them and when it came to it they all fizzled out.
Edit: and they ALL came out afterwards expressing home truths.. even Ole!
I say was, because we don't know how INEOS are going to run things instead of the Glazers. It kinda felt in the past the inmates were running the asylum while they were in the US not giving a shit. Now it looks like Sir Jim and the gang are going to be there all the time to keep an eye.
I wouldn’t read to much into the potter rumours. Radcliffe promised us best in class people. Also there smart, they don’t really leak any information as no one had any idea we was getting Berrada from city, it just happened under the Radar so I expect the same thing to happen with a new manager. Obviously they’ll be tons of managers linked with us but it could be a surprising pick.
Not sure why De Zerbi has a very evident ceiling. He's young so has time to learn a thing or two, got a team with some holes performing well, plays good stuff.
Agreed on the patterns with Potter.
People have been saying similar for 6+ years. In that time the squads been turned over at least twice.
Only way I could see Potter is if we get turned down by Nagelsmann and De Zerbi and INEOS wants their man in even if it's just for the rebuilding period of 1-2 years because they want Ten Hag out.
I quite like Ruben Amorim, he’s a very young coach and plays an attractive style. His team dominated and beat Benfica the other night who you could argue have a better line up than sporting do. Only a matter of time before someone snaps him up and gives him a shot.
Tuchel for me all day, this Bayern season is a blip. We need someone who has won something that wasn't handed to them, De Zerbi and Potter have massive risks. Zidane too.
Tuchel will make us a better team and safest bet.
Tuchel will make us a better team and safest bet.
Tuchel man management is meah.
After what we saw of Tuchel at Chelsea in the league, I'm bemused anyone being that desperate for him here.
Imagine all these positive appointments in the background and we go and appoint Potter as manager. I think I would cry.
I just want to fall in love with football again and for that to happen I want to be excited at the start of the game not worrying of the outcome. I don’t enjoy my match days anymore. Don’t care who we bring in or ETH stays something around the club is definitely changing. fingers cross
Followed closely if not even worse the quality of football hs teams usually play.
Out of Curiousity what's your thought's on Motta as an option .
We really need to steer clear from those failed managers. No idea why people want Tuchel, Nagelsmann or Potter. Makes zero sense
Tuchel’s league record is turd for a man many think is a top manager, he’s a cup manager and plays generally ”meh” football.
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Exactly.
If it's really Potter and Lopetegui we are looking at, then we will have completed our transition to a midtable club at last. Even De Zerbi doesn't fill me with confidence, and these three are the more prominent names being thrown around.
Just imagine... Potter.
I'd love to hear your reasoning as to why Nagelsmann is a "failed manager". He wasn't sacked by Bayern for footballing reasons (no matter what they claim), and they were a far better team under him than they are under Tuchel. His start with the national team hasn't set the world ablaze, but then the current German squad is very poor compared to days gone by.
If proper football people like Ashworth and Berrada believe he's it I don't see why that is a negative. What he did with Brighton was exciting.
Because none of them are failures. Nagelsman should definitely not have been sacked, Bayern performed more or less on par point-wise as last season under Tuchel, and Chelsea was a mess for Potter.
Finishing 9th with Brighton and then failing at Chelsea doesn't scream Manchester United manager to me. Let's see what these football experts think in the summer.
I’ve seen reports saying Nagelsmann Would be interested in becoming our manager. De Zerbi may be tempted, would be a lot more difficult though with us having to pay compensation for him.
No shit
Hardly a fair representation, not that I’m that enamoured by Potter.
Id be happy with Alonso (not happening), Nagelsmann, De Zerbi or Amorin, assuming we get the right structure in place.
Motta shows ample promise but he has yet to manage a top side. That's the biggest challenge as it means tackling giant egos.
Inzaghi is currently my favourite for the role. He can handle tough owners,, he works with a budget, his man management is off the charts and his tactics are somehow in the middle between mou/ole tactics and eth one. This means he can utilise certain players eth sees as a surplus. He also has a knack in revitalising 'dead' careers. Just ask Sanchez, Damian and mkhitaryan
Naglesmann over Potter. I think Potter is a good manager but he needs time at another a West Ham level club to essentially establish himself. I think the only element that was positive about him was for a period of time he had a very good record against the top four from what I recall. His Brighton team had good possession but couldn't convert chances.
De Zerbi seemingly has a very good A game but not much diversity outside of that approach. However, I think it's also relative that he could potentially do more with greater resources in terms of depth and first 11 quality. Only the top five has lost more games than Brighton this season, if they turned some of the draws into wins they would be in the top four.
I'd take both.
Potter would be a massively underhwhelming appointment.
I'd rather stick it out for a 3rd season with Ten Hag. I have zero confidence in Potter being able to succeed.
I'd rather stick it out for a 3rd season with Ten Hag. I have zero confidence in Potter being able to succeed.
This, people and many ex players seem to forget that fergie adjusted his team tactics over the decades to keep up with tactical and formational development in football which was ultimately the real united way under fergie and not some stubborn and naive one size fits all philosophy, and as seen in his last few years as manager, the football really was not that thrilling compared previous rebuilds and eras under him but the glazers probably played a big part in that considering the way we went about spending money post ronaldo and tevez departure.
Totally agree!
Was SAF so much better? re: Stam, Beckham, etc. He didn't even get to do training.
Tuchel is a great, great manager. I loved how he showed Lampard what a capable manager can do. I'm actually worried he will indeed, show better work than ETH. At Bayern he actually has the same transfer shenanigans that we have and he didn't get the players he wanted. Evenso, I agree maybe you want a more charming manager. Like Conte. Ok, I am kidding.
Much as I think Klopp, Pep, Poch are likeable guys, for me a manager does not have to be likeable or be a good man manager. In fact, this United squad will take Potter and sell him for parts. How ETH handled Ronaldo, I was very impressed actually. Any other manager including Tuchel, it would probably end in a public slam match.
I love the Inzaghi suggestion though. But, for me Ten Hag never had the full chance, the full 100% start to show, with new managers, DoF, etc. Ten Hag will get to june, end top 6, reset and 24/25 is the season to show his worth imo.
Fergie was brilliant and although the 4-4-2 is counted as outdated, the way he used it could be relevant in todays game. 2 strong center backs, speed on the outside wings and work the plays into the middle or down the side. He adapted this based on his opponents strengths and weaknesses throwing in a quick transition when needed. He drove for very high expectations on the cardio end, especially on the central mid who had to play box to box and offset each other. 2 strikers who played off each other meant teams had to be careful on pressing and the ability to get the ball up quickly and find the lanes was key. My god, how far we have dropped! The thought was you drive the Ferrari at 160 mph every game and try to score 10 goals. If you can net 5, you should win but if the other team scores 6, then all the power to them. This VW we have now starts to choke at 60 mph. Fergie's staff with Carlo's and Rene especially understood the entire game and trained to meet this requirement and had no less than 5 players who had a deep drive and desire to win at all cost. I heard a story about when Moyes came in and was giving some training tips, Ferdinand said "That's not how we do it in Manchester" Moyes piped back, "That is how we did it at Everton."
I'm not sure I would put Nagelsmann in the same basket. He's only failing at the German NT, but it is a job you can't succeed really at the moment. And I don't think he is well suited for being a NT manager. And Bayern certainly made a mistake in firing him.
He is whether a serial winner like Zidane, nor an up and coming manager, ready for the next step like Alonso. But I wouldn't be surprised if he goes on to be a very successful manager in the future.
I doubt it. Too much hype and it showed
That means he was poor. And currently he is bot doing well either
Really feels like the aftermath of tomorrow could spell the end of EtH. There's no way he recovers if City decide to really go for it.