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You’re kidding?Scored a penalty
You’re kidding?Scored a penalty
If he does stay, I think we saw again that he's better with a false 9 type allowing him to focus on runs in behind. So ideally we'd look like this if he does stay:Pleased with him today. Got very little service but fitness looked strong and he kept making good runs throughout. Didn’t see any of the irritation he’s shown earlier in the season in his teammates’ lack of quality. Nice penalty.
yea, maybe a little below decent. But his effort was okish. He just isn’t very good at timing run and handling offsides - which is a shame for a player who’s main effect was supposed to be lying on the shoulder to run in behind.Decent today. This is what his 'base' level performance should be, as worse as it gets: did basics right, few good moments, didn't set world alight, really good penalty conversion.
The issue is this is probably the best he's probably played in ages and social media reacts like he's just put on the greatest individual performance since Freddie Mercury at Live Aid.
He was decent. No more, no less.
They’ve both played for a large part of the season. Who would you have started instead?ETH needs to be fired for giving him minutes over Garnacho or almost anyone else for that matter.
This is absurd. There's literally nobody else to play.ETH needs to be fired for giving him minutes over Garnacho or almost anyone else for that matter.
He could end up as our topscorer in the PL at the end of the day.Two in two
I knew after watching clips of Hojlund last summer he and Rashford wouldn't get the best out of each other. Rashford always prefer to play with a center forward who would come deeper to get on the ball allowing Rashford to play on the shoulder of the deepest defender, it's his strength.If he does stay, I think we saw again that he's better with a false 9 type allowing him to focus on runs in behind. So ideally we'd look like this if he does stay:
Option 1:
Garnacho-----Hojlund--------RW
Option 2:
Rashford-----------------------------
-----------------False9-Garnacho
Option 3:
Rashford-Hojlund-Garnacho/RW
He subs Garnacho but keeps him on, don't know what's up with that. Forson or Amad probably would've put in a shift.They’ve both played for a large part of the season. Who would you have started instead?
Do those two players have a league goal between them? Would seem a strange decision to play either of them over Rashford.He subs Garnacho but keeps him on, don't know what's up with that. Forson or Amad probably would've put in a shift.
In addition to our game this weekend, I watched the arsenal game and just finished watching city vs liverpool. We are really wasting time with marcus. His low level of energy and selfishness most of time will keep holding us back. Players like salah, diaz, saka, foden can play a high intense match for 90 minutes. Marcus can never do that, he lacks the skill and passion to do that. He’ll make a run, useless run, lose the ball and watch opposition players run past him afterwards. Very frustratingPlayed okay, a bit selfish at times.
I get what you're saying, but Rashford can't win on here.In addition to our game this weekend, I watched the arsenal game and just finished watching city vs liverpool. We are really wasting time with marcus. His low level of energy and selfishness most of time will keep holding us back. Players like salah, diaz, saka, foden can play a high intense match for 90 minutes. Marcus can never do that, he lacks the skill and passion to do that. He’ll make a run, useless run, lose the ball and watch opposition players run past him afterwards. Very frustrating
Very true. He'd be getting slaughtered.I get what you're saying, but Rashford can't win on here.
For all Diaz' bluster and running, Liverpool didn't win the game because he missed 2 or 3 great chances.
Rashford would get crucified for Diaz' performance today, regardless of the effort.
And to add, Foden was invisible today too.Very true. He'd be getting slaughtered.
But Rashford is generally regarded as a better player and has a way bigger profile. Again, i feel it's the expectations with Rashford. We want him to be an elite player, more than just a very good one on his day, and he's effectively been made the star player of the team with his wages and performances last season (also local lad and all that).I get what you're saying, but Rashford can't win on here.
For all Diaz' bluster and running, Liverpool didn't win the game because he missed 2 or 3 great chances.
Rashford would get crucified for Diaz' performance today, regardless of the effort.
Lockdown Martial is the best partner for Rashford.I knew after watching clips of Hojlund last summer he and Rashford wouldn't get the best out of each other. Rashford always prefer to play with a center forward who would come deeper to get on the ball allowing Rashford to play on the shoulder of the deepest defender, it's his strength.
Asking him to play a more orthodox inverted winger role like a Vinicius or Mitoma isn't his strength. He struggles at the basics of link up play, he doesn't have the level of close control or tricky to manipulate tight spaces to excel that way.
All in all I would like to keep him but the issue is he's on too big a wage.
You’re right, diaz missed at times he should’ve taken advantage of chances against a city team which rarely gives aways those. However, i Can’t imagine rashford putting an effort close to what diaz did. The point is, it’s easier to coach diaz to slow down and place a ball into the back of a net than getting rashford excited about a football match.I get what you're saying, but Rashford can't win on here.
For all Diaz' bluster and running, Liverpool didn't win the game because he missed 2 or 3 great chances.
Rashford would get crucified for Diaz' performance today, regardless of the effort.
No I can't imagine him putting a shift in like that either, but I think my point still stands.You’re right, diaz missed at times he should’ve taken advantage of chances against a city team which rarely gives aways those. However, i Can’t imagine rashford putting an effort close to what diaz did. The point is, it’s easier to coach diaz to slow down and place a ball into the back of a net than getting rashford excited about a football match.
I mean yeah any attacker for any big club that misses multiple sitters in a huge game will get slated. That's not specific to rashford.No I can't imagine him putting a shift in like that either, but I think my point still stands.
Rashford could have put in a carbon copy of Diaz' performance and still get slated. Not defending him, just stating the obvious.
It's not clear what point you're trying to make here. You'll have no trouble finding Caf posters willing to criticize Rashford for not scoring even with 100% effort off the ball. That's not an acceptable excuse for Rashford refusing to put in even 20% effort off the ball.No I can't imagine him putting a shift in like that either, but I think my point still stands.
Rashford could have put in a carbon copy of Diaz' performance and still get slated. Not defending him, just stating the obvious.
I never alluded to any excuse existing for Rashford putting in a poor effort off the ball.It's not clear what point you're trying to make here. You'll have no trouble finding Caf posters willing to criticize Rashford for not scoring even with 100% effort off the ball. That's not an acceptable excuse for Rashford refusing to put in even 20% effort off the ball.
Yeah but the original post I replied to wasn't criticising Diaz, but using his performance as evidence of why we are wasting time with Rashford?I mean yeah any attacker for any big club that misses multiple sitters in a huge game will get slated. That's not specific to rashford.
People over index on his goal return and ignore all aspects of general play unfortunately. Not right at this very moment but for me he's basically a slightly better Theo Walcott. That's totally fine and we need guys like that, just not on 400k p/w and as a star player for our squad.There was a period of time around the 70th minute that drove me mad.
First, he did a half-arsed "jump" at the back post defending a cross, and he got nowhere near it and nor did he manage to put off his man, who won the header easily. Then I swear he lost the ball 3 times in a row in quick succession. Just simple give aways, straight back to Everton, 3 times in a row.
It finally ended with him complaining to the ref, after being easily dispossessed for the third time.
I wasn't as frustrated with him as I was with Bruno, so I guess that is a positive. But goodness gracious he could be so much better. Should be, even. Its very disappointing.
Feels like Hojlund hasn't gelled well at all with Rashford or Bruno. With Bruno, it might be a case of them needing more time together since we saw a lot of nice layoffs from Hojlund the last month or so before he got hurt, though still not a ton of the reverse (Bruno to Hojlund), but with Rashford it's tough not to look at how he was better with more of a false 9 like Martial (as you alluded to) and struggled with an aging Cristiano or any other #9 really. I think he'll make the England squad despite his struggles this season for the 2 reasons being he's right-footed (and Foden will be strong cover on the right behind Saka even as he starts at LW) and that Kane does like to drop off. That would have been a rare #9 who can score goals and maybe not hurt Rashford's play, though as Kane ages he'll probably drop deep less for the simple reason that a #9 who doesn't create much but score goals is better than Kane struggling to get into the box to finish off moves like Martial has (wasn't pace, just didn't have that poacher/dog in him).I knew after watching clips of Hojlund last summer he and Rashford wouldn't get the best out of each other. Rashford always prefer to play with a center forward who would come deeper to get on the ball allowing Rashford to play on the shoulder of the deepest defender, it's his strength.
Asking him to play a more orthodox inverted winger role like a Vinicius or Mitoma isn't his strength. He struggles at the basics of link up play, he doesn't have the level of close control or tricky to manipulate tight spaces to excel that way.
All in all I would like to keep him but the issue is he's on too big a wage.
He does performative workrate really, really well. If he's been called out over something or suffered from press coverage that deviates slightly from complete sycophancy, he will work very hard for the first 6-9 minutes of the next matchI was suprsingly shocked when I saw him sotint back tracking an Everton player after a turn over. More than once even....pity it didn't last though
I don’t think that’s true. There’s a minority of our fans who basically hate him (and almost everything to do with the club) who would definitely slag him off after that performance. But the majority would forgive this misses even if he just worked as hard as Diaz. And if he combined that hard work with as many positive attacking contributions he’d be getting a lot of praise, despite the missed chances.I get what you're saying, but Rashford can't win on here.
For all Diaz' bluster and running, Liverpool didn't win the game because he missed 2 or 3 great chances.
Rashford would get crucified for Diaz' performance today, regardless of the effort.
Before we start saying Rashford can't win I think he has to actually put that type of performance in. Then let's see how fans react.I get what you're saying, but Rashford can't win on here.
For all Diaz' bluster and running, Liverpool didn't win the game because he missed 2 or 3 great chances.
Rashford would get crucified for Diaz' performance today, regardless of the effort.
The clue is in the thread name. This is exactly the place to over analyse him.Rashford played ok in an ok performance.
Can we stop with this ridiculous over analysis about his performances?