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Manchester United comes first.You say this with conviction but the 11 shirt in Denmark is a traditional centre forward number worn by the likes of Brian Laudrup. Hoijlund may not want to switch numbers.
Manchester United comes first.You say this with conviction but the 11 shirt in Denmark is a traditional centre forward number worn by the likes of Brian Laudrup. Hoijlund may not want to switch numbers.
Agreed. I was a matchgoing fan from 1976 to 2018, and I'd never witnessed anything like Ronaldo that season - before or since. Not just the amount of goals, but the quality of them and his overall play. You know when you're witnessing something special.I was thinking how is it possible that someone would think Rashford was better than 06/07 Ronaldo. Then I remembered that it was over 15 years ago and some people are probably just too young to remember it and only see the highlights and the stats. It is like me, a fan who grew up through the 2000s not understanding how good Bryan Robson was in the 80s. Ronaldo was sensational that season.
Don’t reply to me with babble nor move the goal posts. You’re the one in this thread posting spineless drivel about United having release clauses as if we’re a feeder club or something.Let’s see what happens and I’ve not said he had but it was reported, all this crying in defence of a player that still has very average stats, although huge potential
26 PL games 5 goals 3 assists - 1 GI in 3.25 Pl games and overall 38 games 7 goals 4 assists so 1 in 3.45.
How this mighty club has fallen when someone gets upset that we might sell a 19 year old for £85m/€100m which would represent huge profit and basically allow the club to spend £400m on a total rebuild this summer, is he truly generational, he has good, then great then poor games as he’s still learning!
Will he ever be 1 in 1 GI per Game?, incidentally which is what Rashford achieved last season, all our strikers have been meh since Ronaldo first coming and Zlatan!
Why can’t people ever just back down after making a stupid post? Instead of just admitting you got duped by dubious sources like the Daily Star you doubled down and accused people of crying when in all honesty you look like the one throwing a hissy fit because you’ve been called out on a discussion forum (shocker, right?)Let’s see what happens and I’ve not said he had but it was reported, all this crying in defence of a player that still has very average stats, although huge potential
26 PL games 5 goals 3 assists - 1 GI in 3.25 Pl games and overall 38 games 7 goals 4 assists so 1 in 3.45.
How this mighty club has fallen when someone gets upset that we might sell a 19 year old for £85m/€100m which would represent huge profit and basically allow the club to spend £400m on a total rebuild this summer, is he truly generational, he has good, then great then poor games as he’s still learning!
Will he ever be 1 in 1 GI per Game?, incidentally which is what Rashford achieved last season, all our strikers have been meh since Ronaldo first coming and Zlatan!
Sure. He wouldn’t done any better than friggin Rashford who would have probably got 5 starts all season for the 06/07 team and sold within two years. I’m convinced some off you just watch our highlights / goals / scorelines. Rashford at his best gets you decent end product and given the rest of his game, has never ever come anywhere remotely near 06/07 Ronaldo. That Ronaldo was either the best or second best player in the world. Rashford has never been that and never will be. His best achievement will be some clowns comparing him to Mbappe and more clowns now comparing him to Ronaldo.Nonsense. He played in a better team with the best manager in history. Put Ronaldo 06 07 in our team last season and he wouldn't have done much better.
Your only logic is that he wouldnt start. That just proves my point about how strong the team was back then.Sure. He wouldn’t done any better than friggin Rashford who would have probably got 5 starts all season for the 06/07 team and sold within two years. I’m convinced some off you just watch our highlights / goals / scorelines. Rashford at his best gets you decent end product and given the rest of his game, has never ever come anywhere remotely near 06/07 Ronaldo. That Ronaldo was either the best or second best player in the world. Rashford has never been that and never will be. His best achievement will be some clowns comparing him to Mbappe and more clowns now comparing him to Ronaldo.
Yes great teams are generally made up of great players. We don’t have great players these days.Your only logic is that he wouldnt start. That just proves my point about how strong the team was back then.
And the best player in that team was Ronaldo, that itself should prove the point you are making wrong.Your only logic is that he wouldnt start. That just proves my point about how strong the team was back then.
That Ronaldo would've done even better playing alongside Antony and Weghorst?And the best player in that team was Ronaldo, that itself should prove the point you are making wrong.
That Antony and Co would do much better having a genuinely top class player next to them.That Ronaldo would've done even better playing alongside Antony and Weghorst?
looks like a great cameo, he’s improved a lot since last season. Really like how he has his head up and is looking for a pass now - last season (and the start of this season) the only thing on his mind is to cut in and shoot.Tweet
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Last week we suddenly had Marca banging on about Florentino's plans for Garnacho, which included meeting up with him when they go to play City away. They mentioned a release clause "believed to be 100M dollars".spineless drivel about United having release clauses as if we’re a feeder club or something.
You posted sources that amount to hearing a drunkard in a pub
One thing he has some room for development is his technique. He loves to take on his defender and uses his pace to get past them, but it often takes a couple of touches for him to kill the ball before he can start dribbling. Nothing major but he will be even better if he can hone out some of those average touches.looks like a great cameo, he’s improved a lot since last season. Really like how he has his head up and is looking for a pass now - last season (and the start of this season) the only thing on his mind is to cut in and shoot.
Ah, well, then we just don't agree on what his ceiling is.
Just off the top of my head, Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Greenwood, Hojlund, Mainoo were / are destined for bigger things, than him. Maybe even Januzaj
By the way, Rashford last season IMO was better, than Ronaldo 06/07
Not really because none of us have access to His contract, therefore we have to assume that’s it’s 50/50 he could potentially have a buy out clause, my point is why lose sleep over a 19 year old if you can potentially get £85m for him, we don’t know, yes the sources are dubious, however there’s is nothing in the media that says that he does not have a buy out clause either, why stress players come and go and I still need to see much more from any of our strikers before I anoint them Hero and God worship like many blind fans do after a few decent games!Why can’t people ever just back down after making a stupid post? Instead of just admitting you got duped by dubious sources like the Daily Star you doubled down and accused people of crying when in all honesty you look like the one throwing a hissy fit because you’ve been called out on a discussion forum (shocker, right?)
I know it highlights but that's a lot of efficient good link up play, lay offs and decision making. I'm not trying to complain too much but it would have been nice if he had this kind of distribution when playing with Hojlund the past few months.Tweet
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He'd be the best player in the league.Nonsense. He played in a better team with the best manager in history. Put Ronaldo 06 07 in our team last season and he wouldn't have done much better.
"still not as good" should be "still not anywhere near as good". Ronaldo that season was outstanding and it is the season he took his game into elite level. All he added after was more goals, but his impact on the team, ability to change games, and overall quality was already there 06/07. If playing today at that level he would be on par with the best attacking players in the world, without a doubt. Rashford isn't. I can't believe this is a debate that is even happening, especially in the wake of how shit Rashford has shown himself to be far too many times. How does he always find himself in the conversation with players like Mbappe, and now near prime Ronaldo ffs?I'd say that Rashford was closer to 06/07 Ronaldo but still not as good, and that's no slight on Rashford. Ronaldo was just that good.
I don’t think this is accurate, Ronaldo in the second half of the 05/06 season was showing signs of becoming world class.The increase in quality with Ronaldo in 2006/2007 is something I haven't seen in world football since. It's like he went from being a 5/10 player the previous year, to a 8.5/10 that season, and all of this in a span of a summer, followed by a World Cup conflict with Rooney.
Of the current crop, it's far more likely to be between Rashford, Hojlund and Bruno considering their positions and profiles.I have a feeling he'll be our next player to score 30 goals in a season.
Rashford 2022/23 wasn't in this bracket?If playing today at that level he would be on par with the best attacking players in the world, without a doubt. Rashford isn't.
Did you watch him that season? He controversially, came 2nd in the ballon d'or that year. Should have won it.Ah, well, then we just don't agree on what his ceiling is.
Just off the top of my head, Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Greenwood, Hojlund, Mainoo were / are destined for bigger things, than him. Maybe even Januzaj
By the way, Rashford last season IMO was better, than Ronaldo 06/07
Pogba could have/should been one of our greats, but he left the club before he fully joined the first team. Rashford broke into the team about the same age as Garnacho. Debatable whever he had more potential at 19 but can accept the argument.This is overrating Garnacho massively.
The non debatables are Pogba, Martial and Greenwood, they were easily better than Garnacho, Pogba and Greenwood are especially easy to prove as they were far better at youth level for us. Then you have Rashford and Mainoo whose early performances were better than Garnacho also.
Then you have players like Anderson, Phil Jones and Rafael who many fans even on here thought they’d go to the very top when they joined as 18/19yos.
I think all the players above are more talented but what does shine through in Garnacho is his mentality. While he might not be as natural as a talent as the players above he seems determined to reach the top which is what I really like about him.
I think most thought Jones, Anderson, Rafael were destined to be top players, like among the best in their position.Did you watch him that season? He controversially, came 2nd in the ballon d'or that year. Should have won it.
Pogba could have/should been one of our greats, but he left the club before he fully joined the first team. Rashford broke into the team about the same age as Garnacho. Debatable whever he had more potential at 19 but can accept the argument.
Not as easy on the eye but Garnacho looks a better bet than Martial did at 19. Mostly due to what you said about mentalitly.
I'm ignoring Greenwood.
Anderson, Phil Jones, Rafael never had anywhere near the potential the others mentioned had. They all could have been great players, but anyone really think they'd reach "the very top"?
Top players as in potential first teamers for a top club. Long shot potentials for best in world in their positions like a lot of young prospects. They were all gambles.I think most thought Jones, Anderson, Rafael were destined to be top players, like among the best in their position.
There were posts/threads comparing Rafael with Dani Alves.
So is Garnacho.Top players as in potential first teamers for a top club. Long shot potentials for best in world in their positions like a lot of young prospects. They were all gambles.
For sure. Nothing is guaranteed.So is Garnacho.
That's because all those young players didn't fulfill their potential because of various reasons, doesn't mean they weren't high potential players like Garnacho.For sure. Nothing is guaranteed.
Garnacho has a better chance of making it to a higher level than any of those guys did though.
All we can do is assess potential and make a prediction. Some predictions are more obvious than others. Still doesn't mean any will end up right.
Of course not. He was very good not top class. Until Casemiro fell off a hill he was better and until Martinez got injured he was our clear best player. Rashford had good end product (17 league goals btw) but his poor football intelligence and limited ability in tight spaces bring his overall level down significantly. Some players have the basic qualities to be top class and some don’t - Rashfords basic technical skillset means he’ll never reach there. Martial had it but sadly lacked the application.Rashford 2022/23 wasn't in this bracket?
I don't think Garnacho will end up as one of the best players in the word in his position either to be honest but he has a chance to be. I never saw that with the other guys mentioned (who we signed as first team players btw). Apart from Rafael tbf, I thought he was brilliant and could have ended up one of the best right backs around.That's because all those young players didn't fulfill their potential because of various reasons, doesn't mean they weren't high potential players like Garnacho.
If anything player like Anderson was even highly rated, Phil Jones too. There was lot of buzz around Rafael and most thought we were set for next 10 years with Rafael who will be for sure Brazilian NT RB.
I don't see Garnacho as someone who will be up with the best players in the world. He still can be awesome player for us.
Of course not. He was very good not top class. Until Casemiro fell off a hill he was better and until Martinez got injured he was our clear best player. Rashford had good end product (17 league goals btw) but his poor football intelligence and limited ability in tight spaces bring his overall level down significantly. Some players have the basic qualities to be top class and some don’t - Rashfords basic technical skillset means he’ll never reach there. Martial had it but sadly lacked the application.
I just realised you think 22/23 Rashford was as 06/07 Ronaldo so you may as well ignore my what said given your views of Rashford are so bizarre.
It happened once.How long before Madrid come sniffing around? Whenever we produce great young talents one of the Spanish clubs always come in for them, especially Madrid. How many of our players have they robbed over the years.