Which culminated in him turning into one of the best players in the league on loan at Real Sociedad before a big injury slowed down his progress for a couple years
Jude Bellingham | Real Madrid player
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Yeah and no big English side (no matter if we should swallow our pride) would promise playing time to a teenager.
He reminded me of Pogba at one point after that great recovery tackle
Nice gesture, but could have at least cleaned the shit off the lad's wheels while he was at it.
I see other players doing this too; a new trend. Before long, he'll have a bad game for England and fans will be saying "if Jude didn't keep giving his coats to freezing children, we wood uv won that game!"
Give over. He is where he is in spite of Real Madrid and there's good reason to think he would have developed better somewhere else.
Better than the player he is now?
Yes. He's merely really good. His talent suggested Balon D'or potential.
On which basis? I think he has made a huge, huge leap at Madrid and has matured immensely over a very short period.
Also, he is currently the star player in Madrid which means he's a legit contender for the Ballon D'Or
OopsNo he isn't.
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Been an utter disappointment in this tie. Can see why he dodged the PL. Would've been eaten up by the pressure and scrutiny.
His strolling around is disgraceful
Yeah he's been crap in these two legs.
He's an upgraded version of Guus Til.
An astoundingly bad performance.
Reminds me of when we had Fellaini as that attacking midfielder target man type.
He wouldnt be dominating many physically in the epl and will have to rely on technique. In spain, he is likely at the top end in physicality
Been saying it for a while, he ain't all that.
He was good in the first 30 minutes. He was involved in the goal after a beautiful control of the ball, he was holding up the ball well under pressure. Scored his penalty.
Hard to look good when your team can't string three passes together. He's a football player, not a track star.
Hard to look good when your team can't string three passes together. He's a football player, not a track star.
Great pen
still in the comp
still in the comp
and also in extra time. Very good defensively throughout too
Bellingham did not have a good game vs City, but he still created the first goal which ultimately gave Real the win. He also scored his penalty. For comparison, Bernardo Silva is also a great player but he did nothing exceptional today and he missed the penalty, too.
So, I don't really understand why people are trying to belittle Bellingham. He is a great player, but even the best players have bad games, or get out of form, sometimes for months. It happens to everyone.
So, I don't really understand why people are trying to belittle Bellingham. He is a great player, but even the best players have bad games, or get out of form, sometimes for months. It happens to everyone.
Exactly.
He ain't a player in the mold and style of Redondo, neither Di Stefano like once was in a very silly way branded, yet he is more like a great box to box polivalent fella, with great size and great technique.
The whole he will struggle in EPL it's so fecking ridiculous, even now with not a single team in Semis, with Atalanta soundly and deservly beating Pool, with Arsenal in the verge of being KO against Porto, people still think that the EPL is some sort of "diff football" all together.
He can struggle at any league, with any team if the circumstances aren't the best for him like any player and that's it. He is quality, he might not be the over the top praise he was receiving because in his first games in Madrid he was scoring for fun (more due to great positioning than anything), but he is very young and already in CL final with a very good to great season under his belt.
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He's still only 20 years old
Loftus Cheek with good PR.
He did his part on pens, so that's all I'm grateful right now.
Helped us get that goal, scored the pen and put in a massive shift working his socks off. And helped alleviate the pressure when he could by dropping even deeper. Big difference between him, Fede and Cama’s efforts compared to the team of last season.
I think he's been out of form for a while to be honest. Been poor for Madrid and England IMO. But yeah, he's a kid, it's very hard to be super-consistent across an entire season at that age. All this stuff about him 'dodging the PL' is just nonsense.
Very resilient player. If it's not going well he will often find some other way or keep searching.
He has lots to work on. Which is fine given he’s 20 but the hype is at times absurd. Having said that Madrid have a great chance to win another CL albeit some tough games ahead.
I agree on all counts. This "he would struggle in the PL" narrative doesn't make sense to me. From what I've seen of Bellingham this season, he's the real deal, and I'm talking about his all around game, not even his goals. He also has a lot of room for improvement.
This wasn't a regular PL game either; it was a CL quarter-final against arguably the best team in the world where he didn't see much of the ball because his team was being utterly dominated. People are having unrealistic expectations of how a 20-year-old player should perform under these circumstances.
Bellingham and Haaland are two players that I think people were so quick to push into superstardom and now they are being undeservably being criticized by that metric.
Bellingham is a very very good player, and is only 20. He was always going to have ups and downs, and he is probably playing out of position anyway. He is at least 5 years away from his peak.
By the same metric, Haaland is the best poacher in the world, but people wanted to compare him to all time greats, and he is not that. And it leads to him being criticised because the media tried to rush and build him into something he isnt.
Bellingham is a very very good player, and is only 20. He was always going to have ups and downs, and he is probably playing out of position anyway. He is at least 5 years away from his peak.
By the same metric, Haaland is the best poacher in the world, but people wanted to compare him to all time greats, and he is not that. And it leads to him being criticised because the media tried to rush and build him into something he isnt.
And hence I think the criticism is fair as well. Haaland is a good example. His goal scoring record was so phenomenal that it got showered with enormous and constant praise. At that stage, his ghost impressions in the tighter games were mostly ignored but now, rightfully so, they’re being called out. Becuase if you’re a top player - regardless of age - who is going to built up into this huge myth then you have to also be criticised when you don’t show up.
Same should apply to Bellingham too.
Obviously it’s better to be balanced and measured (both ways).
A few things:
- The 'super up' he had in the first third of the season gradually diminished towards a more recognisible mean. It's very poor form indeed to pretend like he wasn't doing something worthy of comic books initially. What we see now is not what was seen initially and the fact it could not be sustained is one of a few reasons why Di Stefano and the like are who they are and have the standing they do - what was normal for them is a period of peak, purple patch football for others, or something entirely unobtainable even for a few games let alone 25ish.
- He is 20-years old. He is clearly learning on the job, as one might expect of such a young player.
- City's swarm is so... good that it appears... unnatural... enough to raise suspicions that it's not just fitness offering them absurd propulsion.
- He did an interview with TNT after the game where he stated that the brief and training for this game revolved around a lot of defensive work and working back from much, much deeper on the field as defensive entities first and foremost. He stated it was then considerably harder to contribute offensively because the defensive shape was the priority and he found it exhausting trying to do both jobs due to sitting nominally deeper than usual.
- I thought it was clear that one of his big tasks on this occasion was to be the conduit for everyone else to get up the pitch beyond him as he held on to the ball for inordinately longer periods of time than usual. A literal component of the way the team had been asked to play.
I don't think he had good game in terms of being a billed superstar, but within the remit he was asked to perform, where positioning, defending and holding up the ball were priorities, I'm sure the manager and his teammates gave him praise and were thankful for his contribution. If we look at it from that perspective, he was at least a 6 out there today in a game played out in a manner I don't think I've ever seen from Madrid - I didn't even know they were capable of such defensive astuteness, and I'm sure that is the case for the majority. Within that framing, he was still more good than bad even if wasn't his best performance.
- The 'super up' he had in the first third of the season gradually diminished towards a more recognisible mean. It's very poor form indeed to pretend like he wasn't doing something worthy of comic books initially. What we see now is not what was seen initially and the fact it could not be sustained is one of a few reasons why Di Stefano and the like are who they are and have the standing they do - what was normal for them is a period of peak, purple patch football for others, or something entirely unobtainable even for a few games let alone 25ish.
- He is 20-years old. He is clearly learning on the job, as one might expect of such a young player.
- City's swarm is so... good that it appears... unnatural... enough to raise suspicions that it's not just fitness offering them absurd propulsion.
- He did an interview with TNT after the game where he stated that the brief and training for this game revolved around a lot of defensive work and working back from much, much deeper on the field as defensive entities first and foremost. He stated it was then considerably harder to contribute offensively because the defensive shape was the priority and he found it exhausting trying to do both jobs due to sitting nominally deeper than usual.
- I thought it was clear that one of his big tasks on this occasion was to be the conduit for everyone else to get up the pitch beyond him as he held on to the ball for inordinately longer periods of time than usual. A literal component of the way the team had been asked to play.
I don't think he had good game in terms of being a billed superstar, but within the remit he was asked to perform, where positioning, defending and holding up the ball were priorities, I'm sure the manager and his teammates gave him praise and were thankful for his contribution. If we look at it from that perspective, he was at least a 6 out there today in a game played out in a manner I don't think I've ever seen from Madrid - I didn't even know they were capable of such defensive astuteness, and I'm sure that is the case for the majority. Within that framing, he was still more good than bad even if wasn't his best performance.
I was trying to remember who he reminded me off, and bingo! Of course he is better than Fellaini at many things, but his all around play is very similar to his. He doesn't look like forward, but he is not great midfielder either.
The british Sancho.
Agree. He looked lost out there but never stopped running which he will get som credit from me. Honeymoon he had before NewYear is over. No more lucky goals. Needs to keep working hard and develop.