Who replaces Ten Hag?

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I think Xavi worths a try.
He apparently respects us a lot (from his previous interviews) and he is a possession based coach with experience of leading top sides. We won't win important trophies (UCL/PL) with him shortterm but it is good to hire him for 2-3 years for him to build our pattern of play.
 

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Keiran McKenna. His record with a very average Ipswich squad is absolutely outstanding.

Under the previous regime I would have said too young / too inexperienced....but with Ashworth & Wilcox to assist as part of a new sporting structure made up of experts I believe he could thrive and become a truly world-class Head Coach.

Remember SJR has talked about "how its not that clever signing Mbappe" and how the focus should be on "unearthing the next Mbappe" etc...what's to say he doesn't encourage a similar view when it comes to appointing the most exciting young coach in England?

Plus, we talk about a coach's ability to manage big players / big egos...but I think we're all agreed on here we need a move away from these types towards hungry young players. Young squad, young manager, new energy...with a world class team in the Boardroom it could work
 

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I think Xavi worths a try.
He apparently respects us a lot (from his previous interviews) and he is a possession based coach with experience of leading top sides. We won't win important trophies (UCL/PL) with him shortterm but it is good to hire him for 2-3 years for him to build our pattern of play.
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Wouldn't mind him at all. He's basically Arteta's dad, or big bro.

Time + Xavi = Tiki Taka
 

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I don't think United is the right club for a 'step up' manager right now. We have a new owner and a new structure that is only just being put in place, and is likely not going to be fully in place before the start of next season. I think an experienced manager, like Tuchel, is what we need this summer. Someone who can stabilize things, improve the baseline of our performances, and give the rest of the structure time to establish itself. I think the manager we have after the next one would be ideal to try someone like McKenna, when the football structure of the club is fully in place and the manager can just focus on coaching and tactics.
 

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Amorim, Areola, McKenna are my top 3. Amorim is clearly available having had talks with Liverpool and West Ham. Gonna cost a few quid, but his teams play good football (only seen Sporting play a few times but their record is very good). Areola is PL proven with a Bournemouth team that many probably had down for relegation early on this season. His team have battered us both games (not hard to do) and surprised many with a really small and pretty poor squad.
I don't want Tuchel, Potter, Southgate. I'm sick of having Chelsea's rejects coming to us and the other two aren't good enough IMO. Zidane is a no for me as I think he needs a top squad and doubt he'd be interested in doing a rebuild that is gonna take years.
I hope the club are bold and take a chance rather than a pick from the usual roundabout of mangers that have tried and failed elsewhere. We have the structure now, let's test it with a young manager.
 

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Amorim, Areola, McKenna are my top 3. Amorim is clearly available having had talks with Liverpool and West Ham. Gonna cost a few quid, but his teams play good football (only seen Sporting play a few times but their record is very good). Areola is PL proven with a Bournemouth team that many probably had down for relegation early on this season. His team have battered us both games (not hard to do) and surprised many with a really small and pretty poor squad.
I don't want Tuchel, Potter, Southgate. I'm sick of having Chelsea's rejects coming to us and the other two aren't good enough IMO. Zidane is a no for me as I think he needs a top squad and doubt he'd be interested in doing a rebuild that is gonna take years.
I hope the club are bold and take a chance rather than a pick from the usual roundabout of mangers that have tried and failed elsewhere. We have the structure now, let's test it with a young manager.
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Would cost at least 10m to buy him out of West Ham's contract. I guess you mean Iraola :D
 

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I think this thread highlights why EtH might survive in to next season. Most people have a different idea on who should take over. Not saying he should stay, but there appears to be a lack of a real stand out candidate.
 

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I think this thread highlights why EtH might survive in to next season. Most people have a different idea on who should take over. Not saying he should stay, but there appears to be a lack of a real stand out candidate.
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If they don't believe in ETH, I don't think it means he stays by default. Rather they go for a manager they expect to be in charge for 2-3 years before getting the manager they really want for a longer period of team. I think someone like Tuchel might be viewed as a relatively safe pair of hands for a couple of years. If things are broken under ETH I think the club will have to make a change, regardless of who they get in to replace him.
 

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I think this thread highlights why EtH might survive in to next season. Most people have a different idea on who should take over. Not saying he should stay, but there appears to be a lack of a real stand out candidate.
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Just because a lot of the options are underwhelming, shouldn't mean the bloke who is currently doing a horrible job should get away with it and have another chance.

You know he could get another season and turn it around, against the odds! But honestly, after this season, for me, he doesn't deserve another punt, we've just been so terrible.
 

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I think this thread highlights why EtH might survive in to next season. Most people have a different idea on who should take over. Not saying he should stay, but there appears to be a lack of a real stand out candidate.
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Question;

Can a new coach improve on 17 losses in a season ?
Can a new coach improve on conceding 30 shots per Pl game
Can a new coach improve on the club having slow midfield and no control on any game?
Can a new coach hold on to leads if 1, 2 or now even 3 goals leads are not safe ?
Can a new coach select the right players to play in the right position?

Let’s not kid ourselves any more, ETH is a fraud, he’s good with kids because they very rarely question his authority but most senior pros can’t stand him and right now I’d take 50% of the PL coaches over Eric the Fraud.

Fool me once, I’d give you a chance but we’ve all been fooled multiple times, so it’s time to pack your bags Eric and jog on.
 

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I don't think United is the right club for a 'step up' manager right now. We have a new owner and a new structure that is only just being put in place, and is likely not going to be fully in place before the start of next season. I think an experienced manager, like Tuchel, is what we need this summer. Someone who can stabilize things, improve the baseline of our performances, and give the rest of the structure time to establish itself. I think the manager we have after the next one would be ideal to try someone like McKenna, when the football structure of the club is fully in place and the manager can just focus on coaching and tactics.
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Tuchel and stabilisation in the same sentence is laughable. He's the opposite, he can't hold down a job anywhere and is infamous for fallings out. He'd maybe win us a trophy or two but he's not who i'd be looking at.
 

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My personal favorite would be Xavi, but I don't know if we are interested in him or if he is interested in joining us.
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Good coach in my view. I tend to like possession-based coaches as that's a better philosophy rather than constantly not having the ball and seeing opposition players run at us. I'm not sure if he wants to come or someone who is necessarily on our radar but I think tactically he is very good. The likes of him and De Zerbi will both need midfielders who suit their tactics a bit better.

Also, whatever people may think about us, the Barcelona job is much harder with the constant media attention, demanding fans, and leadership that are constantly pulling the rug out from under you due to financial concerns. So I think his experience there will make him a better fit here.
 

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I don't like Tuchel, he is another one who thinks too much of himself and would expect to have a huge say in transfers in as well. His football tends to be a bit shit as well.
 

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Thing is, everyone respects us. Its a dream job, everyone would have taken it. Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti, everyone would have taken the job as Manchester United manager. Its the biggest job in football, and if you get it right you're storming away. But the sad facts are, the ownership, the structure, the recruitment, the lack of long term ideas, the "commercial first, on pitch second" attitude has rendered it almost impossible to succeed in. The last 10 years, this regime has completely and utterly made it impossible for success. For me, whoever the next manager is needs a clean slate and be given every chance to succeed. Whoever it is. If you bring in Zidane or Xavi or Tunchel for example, you cant tell them "we'll you can have a left back on loan until January." Might as well stick with Ten Hag.
 

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I’d like us to look into Michel, Xavi, Motta, Amorim and Inzaghi. I wouldn’t mind de Zerbi either.

McKenna could be a good candidate in a few years.
 

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I don't like Tuchel, he is another one who thinks too much of himself and would expect to have a huge say in transfers in as well. His football tends to be a bit shit as well.
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Does make me laugh when people on here just make stuff up and talk as if it's somehow fact.

One of the reasons he left Chelsea was because once the people doing the job left they wanted him to have a huge say in transfers, which he didn't want. He's literally come out and said he just wants to do the coaching aspect on more than one occasion. The exact polar opposite of what you've just said.
 

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What type of football have Ipswich played under McKenna? The results are fantastic, but I'm curious how they were earned.

If I had to pick a favorite, I think I'd lean De Zerbi. I really like how often he's taken the game to Pep's City despite having a heavily inferior side. It's a risk, but I think it's got a high ceiling if it works out.

We need a manager who values control with the ball and without the ball. Someone who can implement a good pressing structure. Someone who can implement a good system of controlled/sustained attacks with possession that pins teams back. We've never had that post-SAF. I thought we were getting that with ETH, but that's been way off the mark.
 

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Does make me laugh when people on here just make stuff up and talk as if it's somehow fact.

One of the reasons he left Chelsea was because once the people doing the job left they wanted him to have a huge say in transfers, which he didn't want. He's literally come out and said he just wants to do the coaching aspect on more than one occasion. The exact polar opposite of what you've just said.
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Not as black and white as you claim to be is it?

No one knows what Tuchel wants, he doesn't want super stars, he only wants to coach but he wants signings he likes as well and doesn't want to give feedback as well. Sounds exactly like a prima donna.
 

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iHicksy said:
Does make me laugh when people on here just make stuff up and talk as if it's somehow fact.

One of the reasons he left Chelsea was because once the people doing the job left they wanted him to have a huge say in transfers, which he didn't want. He's literally come out and said he just wants to do the coaching aspect on more than one occasion. The exact polar opposite of what you've just said.
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Yeah, Tuchel may ask for a particular profile and he will be publicly upset if nothing is done. But as far as I know he doesn't want to be involved beyond that.
 

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Keiran McKenna. His record with a very average Ipswich squad is absolutely outstanding.

Under the previous regime I would have said too young / too inexperienced....but with Ashworth & Wilcox to assist as part of a new sporting structure made up of experts I believe he could thrive and become a truly world-class Head Coach.

Remember SJR has talked about "how its not that clever signing Mbappe" and how the focus should be on "unearthing the next Mbappe" etc...what's to say he doesn't encourage a similar view when it comes to appointing the most exciting young coach in England?

Plus, we talk about a coach's ability to manage big players / big egos...but I think we're all agreed on here we need a move away from these types towards hungry young players. Young squad, young manager, new energy...with a world class team in the Boardroom it could work
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There's not doubt that McKenna is doing a brilliant job at Ipswich. But I think people underestimate the quality of players he's managing.

Even when Ipswich were in League One, they were able to recruit players with PL and Championship experience. Walton, Ladapo, Ball, Davis, Keogh, Luongo, Broadhead, Clarke and Hirst.

They operated like a Championship club.

They've been able to bridge the gap between League One and The Championship by making good use of the loan market. McKenna is renowned for his work at Academy level at both Spurs and United. There were reports that some United players didn't like his methods during his time as Solskajer's assistant. So maybe he suits working with young players who are eager to learn and moldable. Ipswich have loaned in Williams, Hutchinson, Scarlett and Sarmiento this season. They have all came from PL Academy systems and have experienced PL football. They've brought in other players with PL/Championship experience as well. Tuanzebe, Taylor, Travis and Moore.

They've navigated the market quite well to build a competitive squad without having to spend a fortune.

Also, it's very early to judge McKenna. We saw Kompany dominate The Championship last season. Farke has been a brilliant Championship manager, but hasn't found The PL easy.

Back to back League One and Championship promotions were achieved twice just over 10 years ago by Nigel Adkins and Paul Lambert. Neither went on to become top managers.

The jury is still out on McKenna. Lambert also looked like a top young coach before failing at Villa.
 

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Fallon d'Floor said:
There's not doubt that McKenna is doing a brilliant job at Ipswich. But I think people underestimate the quality of players he's managing.

Even when Ipswich were in League One, they were able to recruit players with PL and Championship experience. Walton, Ladapo, Ball, Davis, Keogh, Luongo, Broadhead, Clarke and Hirst.

They operated like a Championship club.

They've been able to bridge the gap between League One and The Championship by making good use of the loan market. McKenna is renowned for his work at Academy level at both Spurs and United. There were reports that some United players didn't like his methods during his time as Solskajer's assistant. So maybe he suits working with young players who are eager to learn and moldable. Ipswich have loaned in Williams, Hutchinson, Scarlett and Sarmiento this season. They have all came from PL Academy systems and have experienced PL football. They've brought in other players with PL/Championship experience as well. Tuanzebe, Taylor, Travis and Moore.

They've navigated the market quite well to build a competitive squad without having to spend a fortune.

Also, it's very early to judge McKenna. We saw Kompany dominate The Championship last season. Farke has been a brilliant Championship manager, but hasn't found The PL easy.

Back to back League One and Championship promotions were achieved twice just over 10 years ago by Nigel Adkins and Paul Lambert. Neither went on to become top managers.

The jury is still out on McKenna. Lambert also looked like a top young coach before failing at Villa.
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I take your points, I'm not saying it's without risk, but the whole idea of having a proper football structure in place is that the "manager" is simply the 'head coach' and you can therefore take more risks.

If we bring McKenna in and he flounders, move him on. That's preferable in my mind to plumping for a 'name' who isn't necessarily a great fit and watching McKenna be a massive success somewhere else.

Don't get me wrong, if there was someone of Pep / Klopp level available I'd never advocate a Championship Manager...but options are quite uninspiring.

My alternative for what it's worth would be Emery, who I think is ridiculously underrated. He looks and sounds a bit odd and I think that's massively counted against him.
 

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Emery would be a short term option, he has a long track record and we know what his level is. It's a good, reliable EL borderline CL level manager, a bit like a Ranieri or a Valverde. It's an interesting name if INEOS wants more time to evaluate the situation.
 

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Keiran McKenna. His record with a very average Ipswich squad is absolutely outstanding.

Under the previous regime I would have said too young / too inexperienced....but with Ashworth & Wilcox to assist as part of a new sporting structure made up of experts I believe he could thrive and become a truly world-class Head Coach.

Remember SJR has talked about "how its not that clever signing Mbappe" and how the focus should be on "unearthing the next Mbappe" etc...what's to say he doesn't encourage a similar view when it comes to appointing the most exciting young coach in England?

Plus, we talk about a coach's ability to manage big players / big egos...but I think we're all agreed on here we need a move away from these types towards hungry young players. Young squad, young manager, new energy...with a world class team in the Boardroom it could work
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Agree with much of what you’re saying - my worry is they would go for the ‘evolution, not revolution’ approach that was adopted when Ten Hag was hired. No manager will be successful with the likes of Rashford being featured.
 

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Agree with much of what you’re saying - my worry is they would go for the ‘evolution, not revolution’ approach that was adopted when Ten Hag was hired. No manager will be successful with the likes of Rashford being featured.
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Wonder how many would've said that a year ago.
 

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Right...

I'm giving you all some top notch information here. It sounds ridiculous (and probably is) but here we go...

I know someone who lives in Cheshire. Can't remember whereabouts, but it's a posh place, where footballers live and that.

Anyway, he goes to some Italian restaurant there regularly and is friendly with one of the waiters.

Last time he went, the waiter (who insists he's heard this from former players, including Bryan Robson, who are regulars) has told him - no - PROMISED him, Ten Hag will be sacked at the end of the season and replaced with...

Non other than...

....

Zinedine Zidane
 

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Not as black and white as you claim to be is it?
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You've linked a paywalled article.

Anyway it's pretty well documented and if their are any chelsea fans here who can add to this then im sure they will.

  • Tuchel was handed such an active and integral role, far beyond his remit under Abramovich,
  • Made it clear to Tuchel that he would have full autonomy over transfers, at least in the short term, until a new sporting director was appointed.
  • Tuchel initially relished the added responsibility and provided a long list of potential incomings, including Raphinha, Richarlison, Ousmane Dembele and, later in the window, Frenkie de Jong.
  • But his assumption was Marina Granovskaia would still do the majority of the leg-work. (and why wouldn't he, that's her job - this is not a managers job to be involved in negotiations) - but she then left the club

Then because Boehly had no clue about how to run a club he'd just bought started doing his bizarre things. Signing players after having conversations with people at dinners " Signing of Brighton's Marc Cucurella, which came about after Boehly hosted an informal meal to get to know other Premier League executives in July. Brighton's chief executive Paul Barber attended setting in motion the transfer. "

Boehly's expectation was that Tuchel would part of the transfer pitch and available to take daily calls. Tuchel didn't warm to day-to-day contact, especially not when busy planning for a new season or preparing for games and who the hell can blame him, he didn't sign on to do this, it's not his job.

It's funny i see people blaming Tuchel for his part in his sacking/leaving - but i do people forget that Czech and Marina both left too, who are integral to the running of the club. They clearly saw the writing on the wall as soon as Boehly's circus rolled into town.
 
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Right...

I'm giving you all some top notch information here. It sounds ridiculous (and probably is) but here we go...

I know someone who lives in Cheshire. Can't remember whereabouts, but it's a posh place, where footballers live and that.

Anyway, he goes to some Italian restaurant there regularly and is friendly with one of the waiters.

Last time he went, the waiter (who insists he's heard this from former players, including Bryan Robson, who are regulars) has told him - no - PROMISED him, Ten Hag will be sacked at the end of the season and replaced with...

Non other than...

....

Zinedine Zidane
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Source: fidati di me, fratello
 

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jderbyshire said:
Right...

I'm giving you all some top notch information here. It sounds ridiculous (and probably is) but here we go...

I know someone who lives in Cheshire. Can't remember whereabouts, but it's a posh place, where footballers live and that.

Anyway, he goes to some Italian restaurant there regularly and is friendly with one of the waiters.

Last time he went, the waiter (who insists he's heard this from former players, including Bryan Robson, who are regulars) has told him - no - PROMISED him, Ten Hag will be sacked at the end of the season and replaced with...

Non other than...

....

Zinedine Zidane
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Zidane would be my dream.
 

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I don't think United is the right club for a 'step up' manager right now. We have a new owner and a new structure that is only just being put in place, and is likely not going to be fully in place before the start of next season. I think an experienced manager, like Tuchel, is what we need this summer. Someone who can stabilize things, improve the baseline of our performances, and give the rest of the structure time to establish itself. I think the manager we have after the next one would be ideal to try someone like McKenna, when the football structure of the club is fully in place and the manager can just focus on coaching and tactics.
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Only issue with Tuchel is he’s been the opposite of “stable” everywhere he’s gone post Dortmund. Otherwise I’d agree with you.
 

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Tuchel and stabilisation in the same sentence is laughable. He's the opposite, he can't hold down a job anywhere and is infamous for fallings out. He'd maybe win us a trophy or two but he's not who i'd be looking at.
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Only issue with Tuchel is he’s been the opposite of “stable” everywhere he’s gone post Dortmund. Otherwise I’d agree with you.
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When I say stable I don’t mean a long term option, I mean a manager who is experienced at this level who can come in from day one and knows what he is trying to do, not someone who still needs to come to terms with being a manager at this level
 

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This will not happen and hasn't been mentioned at all, but didn't Ruud do alright last season at PSV?
 

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jderbyshire said:
Right...

I'm giving you all some top notch information here. It sounds ridiculous (and probably is) but here we go...

I know someone who lives in Cheshire. Can't remember whereabouts, but it's a posh place, where footballers live and that.

Anyway, he goes to some Italian restaurant there regularly and is friendly with one of the waiters.

Last time he went, the waiter (who insists he's heard this from former players, including Bryan Robson, who are regulars) has told him - no - PROMISED him, Ten Hag will be sacked at the end of the season and replaced with...

Non other than...

....

Zinedine Zidane
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Wow. Hardly a primary source.

Would love it to be true though.
 
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