Is it the same excuse for England then? Where he was also poor even whilst at Dortmund?
I personally don’t think Sancho can handle the pace and intensity of the PL
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I personally don’t think Sancho can handle the pace and intensity of the PL
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I’d have liked to see him do it in a United shirt but I could count on one hand how many times he dribbled past a defender.He had their fullback on toast, similar to how he gave Alphonso Davies the run around against Bayern a few weeks ago. I'd love to see any of our other wingers do that in a big game.
Too slow, weak and mentally fragile for the premier league.
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We bought him to play RW and he insisted he preferred the LW according to Ole. He also played RW under both Ole and ETHThe first and most obvious difference... He's on the right. Where he also was before we bought him
Our manager insists on inverted wingers coming inside onto their stronger foot and he was ineffective for us doing this from the left. This season he's resorted to playing Garnacho on the right and Garnacho has done well. Maybe now he would play him on the right but with their falling out we didnt find out.
Dortmund just want him to be dangerous and put him against the 21 year old leftback who is a lot better going forward than defending. I think I can see why Sancho looked confident from the start
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Well that's ok, Dortmund won't have a problem paying up if they love him so much.Just like Rashford and Maguire, the issue is not only to agree a transfer fee, but also his existing high salary.
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Considering everyone seems to leave united at the end of their overpaid contract or with a million pound handshake, I think you're right.I find this comment interesting, lots of people say it. Looking at our players I would argue there is absolutely feck all pressure on players at united. I'm not sure what pressure anyone is referring to.
He looked good, way more bursts of pace/energy and not as heavy-legged in his dribbling. Much more like the type of player we signed but hasn't delivered consistently. Good that his stock is high as mentioned to get as much as a fee as possible in the summer if we want to sell.
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Chill man! I didn't say anything particularly out of pocket. We clearly have an issue with players on very high wages that either a) aren't putting enough in or b) actively aren't happy to be here. In some cases it's a combination of both. We're about to start another rebuild so it makes sense that there's some big decisions to be made.And you guys suggestions to fix this are to sell our best players for peanuts without a view to who you're replacing them with and what you want from them...... Amazing stuff, clearly thought out and all that....
Also - which best players are you talking about? Neither are among United's best players at the moment.
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Also no pressure for achievements. Out of Europe straight away, out of title challenge straight away, out of top 4 challenge pretty early, out of league cup 4th round. Only the FA cup has been on our radar really, and we got through those matches as if we were drunk. Outside of Liverpool we have had a really easy run in it.Considering everyone seems to leave united at the end of their overpaid contract or with a million pound handshake, I think you're right.
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Would be going past a player who tried to tackle him. Stat matches with my count up to halftime so far.Agreed - it was a good game but the hype is next level.
Not sure what counts as dribbles for stats either as the 13 dribbles stat doesn't translate to what I watched
20 mins to 30 mins he's gone past 2 players in a dribble twice.
Edit the count would be about 8. Rio actually says at half time for TNT sports that its 7 which is more than he ever did in a full game at United. So whoscored's 8 or Rio Ferdinand's TNT Sports stat of 7 by half time.
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I must have seen a different match, he was... decent? Certainly didn't look like he could solve any of our problems anyway. And it was no better than some of his better performances for us, at least he wasn't completely gassed after 60 minutes, I guess.
No interest in taking him back, if this helps us get a good fee then it's a positive.
No interest in taking him back, if this helps us get a good fee then it's a positive.
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Then he was silly. I dont mind if he wanted to try it but when it was clearly not working after 10-15 matches then something had to changeWe bought him to play RW and he insisted he preferred the LW according to Ole. He also played RW under both Ole and ETH
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At least 70mil special I hope. Watch Dortmund hype him now and offer 15mil in the summer.Yes, 18 attempts, 13 successful. Most successful dribbles in a CL SF since Messi 2008. That's special
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Well hes played 9 games on the right for Dortmund and 5 on the left. So that shows you how you deal with that requestOle has said that while Sancho was bought for the right flank, he preferred the left, so there's that
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With Rashford the position has been made clear - we won't sell him unless it's for major money, so I guess there's not too much left to discuss concerning him.And you guys suggestions to fix this are to sell our best players for peanuts without a view to who you're replacing them with and what you want from them...... Amazing stuff, clearly thought out and all that....
The thing though with Sancho is that it's more than unclear whether there's a path to reintegrating him in the team (beyond the issue of whether he's a player we want to go forward with, in purely footballing terms). If there isn't, then it's really a choice between another loan and a sale. There would be some arguments for another loan (possibility of inrceasing his value, reduction in book value). But unless we can get someone to pay a 15m loan fee and pick up all of his salary, that'd come with a FFP hit this season, which we can ill afford. Whereas if we can sell him, it looks very doable to get on the plus side of FFP, even if we end up having to pick up a good chunk of his remaining salary.
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Please please please score a hattrick in the upcoming matches so we can sell you for nice amount. please.
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Surprised anybody would consider wanting him back, no matter what people’s opinions on Ten Haag are there should be no way back for Sancho, if we want to move forwards again as a team we must set a precedent that this sort of behaviour/performances cannot be accepted, it’s allowing this sort of thing over the last few years which has largely contributed to our current issues, even if he had been a model professional of the pitch I’d be open to selling based on his performances alone, at the end of the day two years are a large enough sample size to prove your worth and he’s just not done it, ultimately you are responsible for your own performances and no lack of team structure can excuse a lack of work rate , failure to take on a man and selecting the easy option on the ball each time,
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Happy to see him doing well. I don't think he has it in him to perform for us so hoping his performances for BVB increase his sale price. New manager or not he should leave.
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His first half was just ok, not too different to a decent Sancho game while he was here. The second half though, he turned it on and looked like the player we signed for £73m. There no doubt that if he could replicate such performances for us he’d easily be our best attacker.Did he really play well or it's just hype because he completed 9-10 dribbles?
It wasn’t hype, he was the best player on the pitch on the night with some great attackers. The thing that was most surprising was how confident he was in himself to make things happpen. There was none of the timid shite he showed with us he was stepping up and taking responsibility on the ball.
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I assume the point went over your head but there is such a thing as a fairweather player. Someone who gets themselves up for a game occasionally when it suits them but then reverts back to not being arsed for a while.He was vey good, but lets remember its a CL semi final. Not Bournemouth away
We have a two year sample size of Sancho doing exactly that at Utd. He's performed like that for us before and then reverted back to being anonymous, wimping out of challenges, being passive on the ball, not tracking back, sideways safe passing, etc...
To suddenly think he's going to be that player we signed based on one performance is absolute lemming behaviour. Like does the brain just immediately dump the previous two years because shiny shiny?
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This guy does not have the mentality required to play for Utd. He's shown that over and over again here. Glad that his stock is rising again and we could get a potentially decent fee for him.
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If he was managed only by ETH at Utd we all know who is to be blamed, but he underperformed under Ole and Rangnick aswell so better sell him for what we can and that's that.
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Merged the two threads.
Maybe "pressure" is the wrong term and "toxicity" would be a more accurate choice of words. I would agree with that judging from the outside. One way or another, Sancho is definitely more than good enough for the current United and if he can't play there out of a certain reason, be it pressure, toxicity or something else entirely, maybe it would make sense to change that instead of expecting players to deal with it.The fact that over the last 5 games Sancho has had one good performance (this one), one decent performance (last game vs Leipzig) and 3 pretty terrible performances and you and most people in this thread probably didn't even know. He's had one good game in the last 5 and people think he's been sensational overall or something. The difference in pressure is to do with the media and fans, a bad performance at Dortmund isn't like a bad performance at United. If Sancho had a similar run of games to this fixture at United there'd be calls by fans and media pundits that Sancho is rubbish, his head isn't in it and he needs to be dropped but at Dortmund it's not like that.
The guy was literally complaining about mental health, deleted his socials and had to take a 3 month break last season due to that but apparently there's no pressure at United.
The infamous pace and intensity certainly didn't seem to help the EPL a lot in the UCL and UEL this season.I personally don’t think Sancho can handle the pace and intensity of the PL
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Well, please don't forget, the EPL is so pacy and intense that all their players are too tired to perform in Europe.The infamous pace and intensity certainly didn't seem to help the EPL a lot in the UCL and UEL this season.
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If we can recover 35/40m for him due to his form during the load deal then it will have worked out fairly well.
If he is so happy at Dortmund, hopefully he is willing to suck up the salary cut to make it happen.
If he is so happy at Dortmund, hopefully he is willing to suck up the salary cut to make it happen.
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You just explained the point i made. And no, i actually dont remember games for us where he looked as good as last nightI assume the point went over your head but there is such a thing as a fairweather player. Someone who gets themselves up for a game occasionally when it suits them but then reverts back to not being arsed for a while.
We have a two year sample size of Sancho doing exactly that at Utd. He's performed like that for us before and then reverted back to being anonymous, wimping out of challenges, being passive on the ball, not tracking back, sideways safe passing, etc...
To suddenly think he's going to be that player we signed based on one performance is absolute lemming behaviour. Like does the brain just immediately dump the previous two years because shiny shiny?
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Tough watch yesterday, the talent is clearly there to be seen. Is the club to big for him or is the environment not conducive to natural talent?
If it isnt, doesnt matter who signs for us, it will have the same outcome.
That said, returning after the relationship has broken rarely has a good outcome.
If it isnt, doesnt matter who signs for us, it will have the same outcome.
That said, returning after the relationship has broken rarely has a good outcome.
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Ah I took it as sarcasm! My bad.You just explained the point i made. And no, i actually dont remember games for us where he looked as good as last night
Looking at his stats he has scored 3 and assisted 2 in 16 games for Dortmund.
I hope United have been watching all of his games and don't just go off the over the top reaction from BT Sports. Who after 5 mins were claiming Jadon has his mojo back since returning to Germany.
I hope United have been watching all of his games and don't just go off the over the top reaction from BT Sports. Who after 5 mins were claiming Jadon has his mojo back since returning to Germany.
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Come on Dortmund, give us 40m at least and he’s yours permanently!
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There's also the issue of his reported 18.2 million annual salary, for another two years. No way is Dortmund eating even half of that. Nor would I think Sancho is walking away from it.Come on Dortmund, give us 40m at least and he’s yours permanently!
But even if we have to cover 20 million or more of that, it's still a good outcome, unless we think he's going to play for us, and play well.
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Happy hes enjoying football again at Dortmund but lets not pretend its some corner turned. He couldnt handle the physicality of the league or the pressure of the club, playing against a shite PSG team doesnt change that. How many other failed or ageing ex PL players looked like gods last night?
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He really should be coming into good form at this stage considering he took the first half of the season off. Hope he can keep it up and get a transfer.
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English media and twitter going OTT on that performance, alot of people acting as if that was a special performance. No goals, no assists but apparently he dazzled.
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I always said he is probably our best player based on footballing talent but also playing for Dortmund he shows a certain degree of sloppiness that can be costly.
He is too inconsistent although based on the game yesterday he would be our best winger.
He is too inconsistent although based on the game yesterday he would be our best winger.
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Damn it!There's also the issue of his reported 18.2 million annual salary, for another two years. No way is Dortmund eating even half of that. Nor would I think Sancho is walking away from it.
Come on PSG, reunite Sancho and Rashford at your club. They will be your saviours after Mbappe leaves! 40m for Sancho and 60m for Rashford! Cheap cheap!
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Lets not go overboard.He had an ok game in his usual short bursts.Changes nothing.Hopefully put his price up a bit.
Main thing is we get a decent price for him out of all this. Probably not Dortmund though unless he's willing to take a drop in Wages
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You may want to look across more than one season. Saying that how an individual deals with it has nothing to do with what a team will do in EuropeThe infamous pace and intensity certainly didn't seem to help the EPL a lot in the UCL and UEL this season.
On the toxicity/pressure I agree. You can’t change it all though. There will always be huge pressure at United because of the clubs history.
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Both Fulkrug and Brant were through with a clear chance on goal due to his passing and crossing and he beat everyone on PSG's left side all game long. He was easily man of the match in this gameLets not go overboard.He had an ok game in his usual short bursts.Changes nothing.Hopefully put his price up a bit.