If Henderson had jumped before Højlund came in and was about to collect the ball then it's a nailed on freekick. They jump more or less at the same time and Henderson is a fanny, imo
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If Henderson had jumped before Højlund came in and was about to collect the ball then it's a nailed on freekick. They jump more or less at the same time and Henderson is a fanny, imo
They literally always go with the on field decision. Var is a big waste of time.
It was a clear foul. I don't know what you are on about.
Foul on Henderson but not this. Comical
He literally goes through the back of Dalot and doesn't touch the ball...All fine for VAR. Just another United game.
Exactly what I thought. The Palace player goes through the back of Dalot. Was there even a VAR check for that?
Shocking referee tonight.
How was that not a foul on Casemiro?
fecking unbelievable the way we get cunted by the refs game after game after game after game after game after game after game after game after game after game after game after game
Clear foul on Hojlund, potential red card as well for denying a goal scoring opportunity then about 1 minute later it's 3-0
Yet the club will still be quiet as a mouse. cnuts need calling out. Take the fine.
Obviously we got no chance in this match, but fecking hell how bad is the referee and VAR.
It's never a foul in a million years. You'd be raging if that was given against us.
Well this is hilarious though, we are absolute dogshit. But some of these decisions... the 'foul' on henderson was nonexistent, looked like Dalot got absolutely cleaned out for their third goal...
I guess the foul on Hojlund though is yet more bullshit VAR technicality? Like they can't recommend the ref to have a look because the foul took place outside the box?
But then if the foul was a DOGSO it's a potential red card, so VAR 'should' be able to recommend a look? I literally have no fecking idea, bin the whole thing! Looks like the ref blew the whistle late for the foul on henderson to avoid the call...
I guess the foul on Hojlund though is yet more bullshit VAR technicality? Like they can't recommend the ref to have a look because the foul took place outside the box?
But then if the foul was a DOGSO it's a potential red card, so VAR 'should' be able to recommend a look? I literally have no fecking idea, bin the whole thing! Looks like the ref blew the whistle late for the foul on henderson to avoid the call...
That’s the problem. Weak as feck from the club.
Are people really trying to make out we've been hard done by tonight.
I hate our team but also feck off referee. De Gea got fouled few times and goals stood. Feck off.
The commentator was so fecking careful with his words when confirming the VAR decision on Højlund.
Bear in mind the referee said no foul, reporting on the decision he said “VAR just confirming to the referee that the contact was indeed outside the area”.
He jumps into him while he's trying to catch the ball. I only have the Dutch rulebook, but that says the keeper has a protected status in the 6 yards box and you cant physically impede them from getting the ball.
Though this rule book is like 2 years old, so I suppose it might as well have changed entirely by now
he doesnt jump much into him, so you’re just interpreting rules in an extreme manner.
And everyone on here screamed free kick at the time.
Straightforward foul, jumps into Henderson, moves him out of the way of the ball when he has his arms up ready to catch it.
But foul wasn't given was it?
Sorry, just too angry about everything atm. We were denied clear penalty at Spurs, conceded 2 soft ones at Chelsea. Did not watch the Burnley game so can't say much about situations in that game.
He goes down a bit too easily. It looked like a clear two handed push though, I've yet to see a better replay from another angle. But that was what I thought from one side view.
The Dalot one is more annoying, Anderson kicks right through the back of him to get the ball across. If that's a defender on an attacker they'd spend half an hour looking for a penalty.
If Hoijlund doesn't look at him moments before he jumps into him then maybe we get the goal.
Hojlund got screwed and it was probably a foul on Dalot but I honestly don't care. We'd have lost regardless and blaming anything but the incompetence of our players and managers is quite frankly letting them off the hook.
Yeah, the look always gives it away in these kinda situations.
There's 3 contentious moments around goals tonight. They might all be 50 50,but the fact is about 100% of 50 50s go against United
I mean, I think it's reasonable to ask for a free kick on the third goal, I think it should have been chalked off, but even Dalot doesn't seem to think he's been fouled there. I think the Hojlund through on goal thing was a big bag of nothings, when the ref didn't take the free kick it was never going to be VAR'd to a red because it quite frankly shouldn't have been. Ref could have given the free kick though. Other than that, United's goals were both rightfully chalked off and the Casemiro thing before the fourth should never be a free kick. Can't feel too hard done here I think, we would have lost even if the third goal wouldn't stand.
The disallowed goal was wrong. Henderson needs to be far stronger.
I mean, we were. We were also absolutely dreadful but those things are not mutually exclusive. The disallowed goal was absurd, there's nothing in it and I've seen De Gea being lambasted for years for being too weak in much harder situations and there was a foul on Dalot. The outcome of the game should not matter in debating the refereeing of them.
To be fair, that was allowed as it was part of a FA approved campaign to kick racism out of football
I don't see how it is different from the Badiashile bump on Konsa (I believe?) which was the reason they ruled out Disasi's late winner. Most people here believed that was a legit call, which I actually agreed with.
If it was two outfield players would the ref have batted an eyelid? They both jumped for the ball and both missed.
Really? It's very different when you watch both back. The Henderson/Hojlund situation is a 50/50 jump for the ball. The Badiashile/Konsa situation is a deliberate barge.
The question I asked at the time was, if it was at the other end of the pitch, would the ref give a penalty for a slight bump like that? I didn't have a problem with the Badiashile call and I think this one probably is a foul too. I did think Anderson went through Dalot for their 3rd goal, which I think was a foul.
Fair enough. I guess it being outfield player vs keeper is the key difference but to me on the replays it looked like an okay call.
I think if Hojlund does what Badiashile does it's a foul and rightly disallowed and if Badiashile does what Hojlund does your goal doesn't get disallowed.
Henderson was fouled.
What's upsetting is the memory of De Gea being fouled but the goals stand, the narrative switches for that day that the keeper needs to be stronger.
If that was De Gea last night being fouled by Mateta in the exact same way I really don't think the goal would've been ruled out and if it was there'd be a weeks uproar about big bad United getting a decision against a plucky smaller club and something has to be done.
What's upsetting is the memory of De Gea being fouled but the goals stand, the narrative switches for that day that the keeper needs to be stronger.
If that was De Gea last night being fouled by Mateta in the exact same way I really don't think the goal would've been ruled out and if it was there'd be a weeks uproar about big bad United getting a decision against a plucky smaller club and something has to be done.
Hojlund does have a quick glance at Henderson before jumping with him/into him, however people classify it. In basketball, you'd call that a box out, which is totally legal and good play, but in football, with how protected keepers are, it seems like a fair call. I'll be honest though, I don't know what the rules say about incidents like this. I'm just going off how they've called this kind of incident over the years.
That said, Arsenal do what Hojlund did deliberately every single and it's allowed every game. Half their goals this season have come from someone doing what Hojlund did.
Agreed.
Hojlund looks at Henderson and moves in front of him where the ball will be contested and just jumps straight up. Doesn’t jump into him at all doesn’t even use his hands to jump. Henderson bounces off his hips.
It’s textbook challenging the keeper without fouling. As a keeper you are taught that is legal and you have to occupy the space to prevent being crowded out. When I played in goal that would have been a goal pretty much every time, even in Norway where there is no culture of challenging the keeper to put one on them. We had a Scottish ex international manager and he would have slaughtered me if I’d conceded that, he wouldn’t have even asked for a foul.
In my opinion Henderson messes up his starting position and is asking for the foul as soon as he goes up in the air. He knew he’d made a mistake.
I generally don’t think keepers are treated too softly either, it’s impossible to defend yourself when you are jumping with your hands extended up in the air so the slightest touch is enough to knock you off if you’re not prepared for it and the attacker is clearly challenging you and not the ball. This wasn’t one of those situations. Hojlund went out of his way to jump cleanly. It was a keeper mistake, and Henderson got away with it.
*had to edit this twice, Hojlund was autocorrected to Hopkins and then hound
Like feck he was. Strikers are allowed to compete with the keeper in the air. Hojlund had his arms down by his side and didn’t jump in Henderson’s direction. Couldn’t do any more to make his challenge fair and legitimate.