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Who replaces Ten Hag?
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Bielsa, you mean?
Honestly mate this needs to be fecking drummed into not just United fans but the whole of the board. I swear if I see another United fan say “we need a winner” I’m gonna gonna boil.
We’re at the bottom, we need to get the basics. Get in a proven tactician and top “coach”.
United fans are so weird. They’re happy to push for us signing young players who’ve won nothing of note but the minute you mention a head coach who’s won nothing they have a meltdown.
We need to stop chasing winners and big names or Gareth feckin Southgate. Gasperini, Valverde, Bielsa, Motta, De Zerbi. Get in a coach. Get in someone who has a proven record of completely drilling a team in his way. And then we go from there.
Is there a better alternative to Tuchel?
Ideally someone that has top level and maybe even Premier League experience.
Ideally someone that has top level and maybe even Premier League experience.
Good post, which is why I'd be open to someone like Iraola.
Agreed, we need a change in our club and football culture.
Tuchel makes sense for all parties if we want to make a decision in the coming weeks.
Tuchel is just not the right manager to take over from this position. Nagelsmann would've been the one for me. I cant believe we didnt make a move on that front.
We need someone who is going to slowly rebuild the squad with us and help develop all these younger players tactically.
We need someone who is going to slowly rebuild the squad with us and help develop all these younger players tactically.
Exactly. This is not a quick fix. It will take some years to fix, especially with the damage ETH has done with his signings. We have take a punt on someone young to see this through. All these experienced folks will ask for a bucket load of cash to get us CL football for next season and then will 2 years later in the same state.
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Great post. People are blind and don’t see how dire our situation really is. A rebuild will take time and due to the fact that United is bled dried with over 1bn in debt things needs to be done differently. Someone once said, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I'm surprised Enzo Maresca doesn't seem to be on the shortlist. He's young, did his apprenticeship under Guardiola and has just taken Leicester up as Champions. He must be known to Berrada.
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Literally anyone please
Tuchel, ‘big club’ manager, proven winner ….realistically Utd‘s best chance to turn the club around.
Top post, great points and perspective. We need to forget about the top of the table, forget top 4 and forget Cup runs just focus on building a team capable of playing the way we want, against anyone and anywhere. We need to identify a manager playing the football we (INEOS, on our behalf) want and ensure that we do a thorough background check because in this job you need a lot of grit, mental fortitude to stay on vision and clarity of thought in the midst of storms that will come regularly in addition to the tactical stuff.
This is a four or five year project and the ownership need to be clear to everyone including senior players and their agents that this is a big job and those expecting title challenges and deep cup runs should look for it elsewhere because it's just not where we are. A lot of things need to be changed and the profiles in that squad realigned.
Yeah, he'd be a fascinating choice. Has probably done his reputation more good then other candidates like de Zerbi & O'Neil, this season I'd think.
Good post/perspective.
I bet he would considering his stock is at an all time low and will struggle to find a club to pay his unjustified wages
Im really impressed with Iraola. But its a huge job. Honestly, there is no standout candidate. Maybe Tuchel would be the safest bet.
We could do with a manager that doesn't play a high line but still has his teams playing superior possession based football to suit our team lack of speed and to get the most out of our misspent signings and slowly evolve to a high pressing side over time
Nagelsmann is now a no go, but the other 5 would all be attainable if INEOS pursued them.
I'd even take Potter at this stage.
Iraola is also an option.
Tuchel
If we wanted amorim you could just get him now. Portuguese league is done and won already
Just want to highlight Hoeneß again, Stuttgart are by now the most improved (season to season) team in Bundesliga history, ahead of Tuchel's first Dortmund season (compared to Klopp's final season). Leverkusen might still become second in that metric, but in that regard they will stay behind Stuttgart.
Do not care who the manager is next year.
I just want to see approx. 15 players gone in the summer. New players to be offered considerable lower salaries than in the past and then let them play for improved agreements.
No matter who the manager will be, we will be back in the same spot in 2 years.
I just want to see approx. 15 players gone in the summer. New players to be offered considerable lower salaries than in the past and then let them play for improved agreements.
No matter who the manager will be, we will be back in the same spot in 2 years.
Whichever direction we take in the summer we are going to need a minimum of 2 CBs and a DM, starting quality so it would be sensible to address those speed issues, which are genuine, during that recruitment process.
There are plenty of good managers out there. Amorim is my number one. He has the right personality for the job.
Also, im not sure why we need to pick a "big name". Yes, it helps to have big club, CL or European experience, but what matters most for me is personality and is a good coach. Smaller teams manage to find coaches like Oliver Glasner or Andoni Iraola who vastly improve the team and their players.
Also, im not sure why we need to pick a "big name". Yes, it helps to have big club, CL or European experience, but what matters most for me is personality and is a good coach. Smaller teams manage to find coaches like Oliver Glasner or Andoni Iraola who vastly improve the team and their players.
If only Jose was 15 years younger I’d take him but honestly it’s the era of up and coming managers now and I’m not quite sure who to pick, they all have pluses and missus but who ticks the pluses more for united is the ultimate question.
I like Tuchel but he doesn't strike me as the kind of manager that builds teams.
The rumors about Jose wanting the job again too- I just can't fathom why that would appeal to anyone, even Jose himself. If Jose had been in charge and Hojlund put in a performance like last night then he'd be banned from the first team for months. This squad has a mix of so many over the hill players or players that are just too raw, that it just doesn't suit an instant fix, short-term manager.
The rumors about Jose wanting the job again too- I just can't fathom why that would appeal to anyone, even Jose himself. If Jose had been in charge and Hojlund put in a performance like last night then he'd be banned from the first team for months. This squad has a mix of so many over the hill players or players that are just too raw, that it just doesn't suit an instant fix, short-term manager.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. We don't want a manager's main focus to be building our team, that's what we've tried repeatedly and it always leads to a crisis. Building the squad should be the primary focus for the upper hierarchy such as the DoF and technical director.
Our manager needs to first and foremost get us results. That doesn't have to be winning the title immediately but it does have to be, in the short term, achieving top four and showing progress on the pitch (being able to dominate lower sides, not rolling over to top sides, etc.). Of course the manager will be involved in the signing of players but assigning him with the primary task of "building the squad" will only blind people in the case of consistent poor results as we've seen with Ten Hag as the goalposts will always be shifting based on him not having his "preferred team" yet. If the manager isn't delivering us the results we need then we need to move on, wasting multiple seasons on another Ten Hag or Ole should no longer be acceptable.
Look at the options, Tuchel, Potter.. Terrible candidates.. All rejects who doesnt have the power to take on the rotting squad and the new manager would be eaten alive and sacked within a season and two. We need someone who is above the players in the hierarchy and has the power to get rid of those who can't deliver.
Give Mancini or someone like him a two year deal until we can find the right one. A Potter on a 4 year deal would be catastrophic
Give Mancini or someone like him a two year deal until we can find the right one. A Potter on a 4 year deal would be catastrophic
Tuchel is a fantastic option, what are you on about?
If it’s Southgate I think I’ll generally give up. Will be the clearest indicator yet that INEOS are fecking clueless and another 3 years wasted. Don’t think I can be assed.
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Mark Ogden said yesterday that United won’t be going for Southgate. He broke this crazy story initially
There aren't any fantastic options. Tuchel is massively overrated by some.