SuperiorXI
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Fun fact: he was Everton
What about the Madrid board deciding to get him back from Everton when everyone thought he was done at the top level? He already failed at Madrid once but what a call from the board.
I want Mourinho back at Utd.
No La Liga isn't a successful stint at Real for any manager.
He won them La Decima when they've been craving it for years.No La Liga isn't a successful stint at Real for any manager.
It was strange he took the Everton job in the first place.What about the Madrid board deciding to get him back from Everton when everyone thought he was done at the top level? He already failed at Madrid once but what a call from the board.
I want Mourinho back at Utd.
Van Der Sar at Fulham vibes.Still mad to think how and why he ended up managing Everton.
That's such a poor take, really. He's an incredible tactician and always has been. From Pirlo to Bellingham & Vini Jr., he constantly creates new tactical roles for his players and he's incredibly adaptable, which is what makes him so successful in cup competitions. He's not a systemic manager like Guardiola or, to a lesser extent, Klopp, but their systems are just one of the possible approaches to football tactics.He is a strange one for me, he is definitely not a tactician or anything, he is a good man manager who commands respect from all the players and probably delegates everything football related. When he actually had to come up with tactics, he struggled(his Everton stint), this Madrid team coaches themselves and Madrid seem to wised up in transfers as well, signing gem after gem for cheap. I can't see him replicating this anywhere else, just for that I don't rate him as much as Guardiola, Klopp or even Mourinho for that matter.
Yeah, Ancelotti has used all the main styles and trends I can think about. An other thing that is quite surprising is how fast he can implement a different approach, if one thing doesn't work he moves quickly to something else. I would love to know how he does it, I don't think that I have ever heard any player explain his method precisely.That's such a poor take, really. He's an incredible tactician and always has been. From Pirlo to Bellingham & Vini Jr., he constantly creates new tactical roles for his players and he's incredibly adaptable, which is what makes him so successful in cup competitions. He's not a systemic manager like Guardiola or, to a lesser extent, Klopp, but their systems are just one of the possible approach to football tactics.
It's fair to say that they did underperform in the league. You can't say he failed when he won a CL.No La Liga isn't a successful stint at Real for any manager.
You can't manage at the top level for over two decades and not be a great tactician.He is a strange one for me, he is definitely not a tactician or anything, he is a good man manager who commands respect from all the players and probably delegates everything football related. When he actually had to come up with tactics, he struggled(his Everton stint), this Madrid team coaches themselves and Madrid seem to wised up in transfers as well, signing gem after gem for cheap. I can't see him replicating this anywhere else, just for that I don't rate him as much as Guardiola, Klopp or even Mourinho for that matter.
So many people think Carlo and Fergie are just some dudes that hype players up with words and are somehow super successful, it’s crazy and disrespectful to two all time greats.That's such a poor take, really. He's an incredible tactician and always has been. From Pirlo to Bellingham & Vini Jr., he constantly creates new tactical roles for his players and he's incredibly adaptable, which is what makes him so successful in cup competitions. He's not a systemic manager like Guardiola or, to a lesser extent, Klopp, but their systems are just one of the possible approach to football tactics.
Like...the whole club?Fun fact: he was Everton
Two of the best managers I've seen at adapting. It's not easy to manage at the top level for multiple decades. Football is forever changing and both Ancelotti and Fergie are masters at keeping up or staying ahead of the curve. It's why I laugh when I see people trying to say that Fergie wouldn't be as good in the current era.Him and Sir Alex are in a league of their own
We made Ole a permanent manager.Who was our manager when Everton got him. We really missed a trick not getting him at United.
That would be us alright.We made Ole a permanent manager.
Southgate is very successful with England for almost a decade now but he is no great tactician either. I know Southgate hasn't won anything yet, but despite being a shite tactician he is the best England manager in recent times.It's fair to say that they did underperform in the league. You can't say he failed when he won a CL.
You can't manage at the top level for over two decades and not be a great tactician.
Couldn't adapt at Everton could he?That's such a poor take, really. He's an incredible tactician and always has been. From Pirlo to Bellingham & Vini Jr., he constantly creates new tactical roles for his players and he's incredibly adaptable, which is what makes him so successful in cup competitions. He's not a systemic manager like Guardiola or, to a lesser extent, Klopp, but their systems are just one of the possible approaches to football tactics.
Would have definitely ended in tears if we got him.Who was our manager when Everton got him. We really missed a trick not getting him at United.
arrived mid season in a relegation battle, they finished 12th. 10th the next season and then he left, got DCL into career best form that he’s never replicated, has their highest PPG of Prem managers. Weird how his 18 months at Everton is used as some kind of gotchaCouldn't adapt at Everton could he?
The point is he has managed to create roles for players who are among the best in football at the moment. I'm pretty sure that list of players would have created wonders with or without Ancelotti. The point I'm trying to make is he seems to succeed when he has world class players like that Milan side or the Real Madrid side, the rest all seems to be middling at best.
International football is not the same level. Not even close. And remind me who Southgate has actually beat with England at major tournaments?Southgate is very successful with England for almost a decade now but he is no great tactician either. I know Southgate hasn't won anything yet, but despite being a shite tactician he is the best England manager in recent times.
Why do you rate Pep as a tactician in that case? His squads were even more stacked than Ancelotti’s.Couldn't adapt at Everton could he?
The point is he has managed to create roles for players who are among the best in football at the moment. I'm pretty sure that list of players would have created wonders with or without Ancelotti. The point I'm trying to make is he seems to succeed when he has world class players like that Milan side or the Real Madrid side, the rest all seems to be middling at best.
New manager bounce, spent loads of money on big names for Everton’s level. Left them high and dry knowing he can’t turn it around.arrived mid season in a relegation battle, they finished 12th. 10th the next season and then he left, got DCL into career best form that he’s never replicated, has their highest PPG of Prem managers. Weird how his 18 months at Everton is used as some kind of gotcha
Never said Pep is a master tactician, he and Klopp are one trick ponies but they came up with those tricks or made it perfect. Ancelotti is a much better version of Harry Redknapp IMO or like later days SAF. Nothing wrong with that but I don’t rate him enough to do what he does at Real Madrid anywhere else.Why do you rate Pep as a tactician in that case? His squads were even more stacked than Ancelotti’s.
And that’s simply factually wrong — unless it was the amazing squad of Reggiana that carried Ancelotti to Serie A promotion?
I dread to ask you who are those great tacticians if neither one of Ancelotti, Pep & Klopp qualify. Kieran McKenna? Phil Parkinson?Never said Pep is a master tactician, he and Klopp are one trick ponies but they came up with those tricks or made it perfect. Ancelotti is a much better version of Harry Redknapp IMO or like later days SAF. Nothing wrong with that but I don’t rate him enough to do what he does at Real Madrid anywhere else.
Why does anyone have to be a "great tactician"? I rate managers on team building, longevity, playing style. Guardiola, Klopp have their unique playing style which they incorporate everywhere they go. SAF did that during his time with us and gradually towards the end became like Ancelotti. But Ancelotti doesn't seem to have any priors of building a team up, his player credentials got him good jobs where his teams are stacked with talent, he seems to be an excellent man manager but has specific playing style or anything. Ancelotti seems to need someone else to build the team for him all the time.I dread to ask you who are those great tacticians if neither one of Ancelotti, Pep & Klopp qualify. Kieran McKenna? Phil Parkinson?
If you rate managers on their tactical ability, someone has to be at the top of the list? You've said that Ancelotti "isn't a tactician", so you clearly do assess managers by that parameter, I just wonder, who is a tactician by your definition... are there any tacticians in the modern game? If not, were there ever any (Michels, Sacchi...)? If not, maybe the assessment scale is the issue — Usain Bolt isn't that fast when you compare him to supersonic aircrafts after all.Why does anyone have to be a "great tactician"? I rate managers on team building, longevity, playing style. Guardiola, Klopp have their unique playing style which they incorporate everywhere they go. SAF did that during his time with us and gradually towards the end became like Ancelotti. But Ancelotti doesn't seem to have any priors of building a team up, his player credentials got him good jobs where his teams are stacked with talent, he seems to be an excellent man manager but has specific playing style or anything. Ancelotti seems to need someone else to build the team for him all the time.
50 Years ago: Ernst Happel invents Total Football.Coach Ernst Happel is famous in Holland for his typical quote: “Kein keloel, fussball spielen!”. Which translates as “Stop talking, just play football!”
Maybe to clear this up first: Happel didn’t invent Total Football as a mathematical formula. He was a man of the pitch, not a theory guy. He would create solutions based on the players he had at his disposal. With him, it was an organic process. Former Ajax back (and part of the Feyenoord squad when they won the Cup in 1970) Theo van Duivenbode: “Michels was great in developing a tactical plan at the start of a game and he’d try to hold on to it. Happel was different. Happel was capable of seeing where things didn’t work in a match and he’d tweak it while we were playing. I think Happel read the games way better than Michels.”
He didn't spend loads of money. He signed Allan for £25m and James Rodriguez on a free. Everton had tried signing Doucure in previously before he got there and Godfrey was a youth prospect signed by Brands.New manager bounce, spent loads of money on big names for Everton’s level. Left them high and dry knowing he can’t turn it around.
You can also say by his very nature, he is someone who thrives in the arena of poking holes and finding exploits within opposing rigid structures, which actually gets under the skin of system coaches because their solution often lags behind his dynamism.For me, one of the very best man managers in history. Same level with Sir Alex and I don't take it lightly when saying that.
His tactical game is not shabby either, he can adapt to playing different styles. Sure he doesn't coach a structure to the exact detail like Pep or Klopp, but he doesn't need to. He just keeps winning.