Regulus Arcturus Black
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Wow, you literally couldn’t have misunderstood my post more.Nonesense.
Just over a third of the way (15 matches) through the season and you expect all signings to be the finished article.
Wow, you literally couldn’t have misunderstood my post more.Nonesense.
Just over a third of the way (15 matches) through the season and you expect all signings to be the finished article.
Calm down.Well thats a shit argument. None of us have any knowledge about football management yet here we all are. May as well just shut down the forum I guess. It's been emotional folks.
I see, so you spoke to a guy once so clearly that means he can't be shit at his job. That's a solid argument well explained and i'm glad you've enlightened us with your deep knowledge on the subject. Guess we can carry on the forum as long as you can green light every opinion on here. Good work.Calm down.
I have a good understanding of how our scouts operate because I've spoken to afew over the years including some youth coaches whilst taking a young lad down to matches over the years. A young lad that is now part of the first team setup.
So anyone that thinks our scouts are woeful doesn't know what on earth they're talking about.
It's not really hard to understand is it? But I'll try again..I see, so you spoke to a guy once so clearly that means he can't be shit at his job. That's a solid argument well explained and i'm glad you've enlightened us with your deep knowledge on the subject. Guess we can carry on the forum as long as you can green light every opinion on here. Good work.
Worth every penny? For 80mill you expect the best defender in the world and he may not even be close to one of them. He is a 50mill CB at most. Nothing on the Jaap Staams of this world and the impact VVD has had on his team. Leicester have improved in his absence. He is a very good CB but that's it. His fee is not his problem so I won't hold it against him but I will call out those who claim he is worth every penny. I see no Rio Ferdinand here.Maguire is the anti Pogba. He's alpha but not showy. He's the exact culture change we needed. He is worth every penny. Sometimes you sign or keep players because of what they bring off the pitch (Young and Mata).
James and AWB have both been brilliant. Like what were your expectations?
The squad was rotten and Ole has done well to refresh it.
Except that this thread is really just three or four negative people obsessively mashing their keyboards. They aren't representative. My mind boggles at the idea that someone really thinks AWB was a poor signing. It takes all sorts, I suppose.I wonder what the % of posters on here are positive to negative, it seems like it is very much skewed to the negative, I guess that is just the way of things though like the news bad stuff gets shouted from the roof tops and the good stuff is ignored.
Sure. BTW, I was one that wasn't too excited about the deal because of the cost. I also thought it would be better to go after Stones from Man City. He is/was out of favor with his manager and I actually think he can be better than Maguire. Look it up.No you don't - I specifically indicated that the moment we become interested in a player all rational discussion goes out of the window and people go in muppet mode.
Bargain of the decade for £18m? Not even close.3 singings. All quickly integrated and playing well. One a flying winger who looks like the bargain of the decade.
His recruitment has been great. I look forward to his next batch of signings. If they are as good as the last 3 we will be a proper force again.
Such an improvement after watching Moyes, LVG and Jose waste near a billion quid on utter shite.
If it's United specific, then in the last 6 years perhaps. Bargain of the decade in the league, Kante, Mahrez, Vardy?Bargain of the decade for £18m? Not even close.
Bargain of the decade for £18m? Not even close.
Fine, hair splitting aside we can surely at least agree that he's been a superb signing at that price.If it's United specific, then in the last 6 years perhaps. Bargain of the decade in the league, Kante, Mahrez, Vardy?
Kante, Mahrez, Vardy for sure mate. Maguire for £17m could be considered a bargain now too for obvious reasons. I'd also include Robertson to Liverpool for £8m which was quite frankly a unbelievable deal for Liverpool. There's loads more too around Europe. The RBS team that is a win away from qualifying for the knockout stages of the UCL cost as much as Diogo Dalot according a Austrian fan on here. And that's the entire team by the way according to the poster.If it's United specific, then in the last 6 years perhaps. Bargain of the decade in the league, Kante, Mahrez, Vardy?
I agree with that Steve..Fine, hair splitting aside we can surely at least agree that he's been a superb signing at that price.
Most of the cafe wanted us to spend 70 million on Nicolas Pepe because he score a few penalties. We picked up a younger better player for 1/4 of the price.
How dare you insult James by mentioning him alongside Gervinho with a trimFine, hair splitting aside we can surely at least agree that he's been a superb signing at that price.
Most of the cafe wanted us to spend 70 million on Nicolas Pepe because he score a few penalties. We picked up a younger better player for 1/4 of the price.
quite clearly we’re a much worse side and our transfer business since Ole came in cannot be described as anything other than very poor.
Nonesense.
Just over a third of the way (15 matches) through the season and you expect all signings to be the finished article.
So you were being sarcastic when you said “our transfer business since Ole came in cannot be described as anything other than very poor.”Wow, you literally couldn’t have misunderstood my post more.
Ooh your a feisty one
I even included page 2, if that first page wasn't enough. No one else from our team even makes it on to the 2nd page.
Rashford is having a pretty good season, but let's not pretend we're a well-drilled team with goals coming from everywhere. In fact, Rashford epitomizes what we are at the moment; disjointed, usually bereft of a gameplan beyond kick and run fast, primarily reliant on individual brilliance to get us the goals. Unfortunately, Rashford is the only one right now where this 'individual brilliance' is paying off.
So yes, if we are going to rely on a simple goal tally to show whether our team is coached, I have to agree that we are 'super not coached'. There are points in favor of Ole, but 'well-coached team' is not one of them right now. No, beating Spurs doesn't count because it is a one-off, something we have done multiple times, even during Mourinho's reign. Raise our game against the 'big' teams because for some reason, that's the only time our players seem arsed.
Amazing what people will do with data to selectively present it and skew it to support their argument. Almost...pathetic, isn't it?
S*itest reply everThe scouts are not woeful and you shouldn't talk about things you have very little knowledge about.
What absolute crap.Debt, interest payments and dividends are draining the clubs finances. The club debt is 100% a result of the Glaziers mortgaging the club and not anything to do with Brexit.
If that were in any way true at all we'd not be in this mess with the steady stream of rubbish players signed going right back to Ferguson.It's not really hard to understand is it? But I'll try again..
United have some of the best scouts in the world. And a few football fans on the internet who believe otherwise are misinformed. And then when someone who has a better understanding of what constraints the scouts are operating under calls out the BS being spouted, they get responses like I've seen from you, with your green light/shut forum posts.
It's all the Managers fault for ignoring our World Class scouts buddy. That's the Adnan way my man.If that were in any way true at all we'd not be in this mess with the steady stream of rubbish players signed going right back to Ferguson.
Sell Ronaldo and replace with Valencia and Obertan? Buying Jones and Ferguson calling him as good as Duncan Edwards.
I could create one hell of a rant here and easily list approx 50 players in the last 10 years or so that are truly dreadful and not up to standard, weather is transfers or players being brought up through the YTS.
But you know some lad who told he's great so that means its completely true, meanwhile we've the evidence before us to show otherwise.
Let me enlighten you. Under Ferguson we didn't have the majority of scouts we have now, so what you read in the great mans book doesn't apply to the scouts we have now and i've met a number of them in the last year. Fergie had a very small group of scouts and alot were part time. Martin Ferguson was his trusted scout who also happened to be his brother.S*itest reply ever
I know cause the club have told the supporters. Read Woodwards recent interview with the fanzine.
If you don't want to believe that just look at our transfer dealings the last decade, or you could read Ferguson's book where he echoed similar sentiments of relying heavily on his brothers input over the years.
Is that enough evidence for you?
What absolute crap.
Sterling is losing it's value daily to the USD for god sake.
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=5Y
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...-brexit-effect-on-financial-results-1.2872207
When you know what your talking about feel free to reply til then stop with the brain dead, anti glazer BS you copy / paste from Mike LUHG on twittah.
The scouts don't make the call on on our transfer strategy, it's the managers that do that, which is why people like yourself get confused with player turn over and blame the scouts.If that were in any way true at all we'd not be in this mess with the steady stream of rubbish players signed going right back to Ferguson.
Sell Ronaldo and replace with Valencia and Obertan? Buying Jones and Ferguson calling him as good as Duncan Edwards.
I could create one hell of a rant here and easily list approx 50 players in the last 10 years or so that are truly dreadful and not up to standard, weather is transfers or players being brought up through the YTS.
But you know some lad who told he's great so that means its completely true, meanwhile we've the evidence before us to show otherwise.
I'm fully aware our scouting is completely different to a decade previous, regardless...scouting was failing then, scouting is failing now.The scouts don't make the call on on our transfer strategy, it's the managers that do that, which is why people like yourself get confused with player turn over and blame the scouts.
Sell Ronaldo and replace with Valencia and Obertan had alot to do with the Glazers. And the scouts were very different in those days with Martin Ferguson, Jim Lawlor etc in a far smaller group compared to now. So your point has no relevance to our scouts now.
I'm sure you could go on a pointless rant, but it would be irrelevant because our scouting network is very different now compared to 10 years ago.
Yes Lukaku scores goals but if he doesn't bring others into the play at all, we'd end up having James and Rashford banging in crosses all day. Martial can at least hold up the ball and bring Rashford and James into play, if we had a genuine creative number 10 and a creative CM, Martial can score as much as Lukaku.Ha ha, sure, that PL table is just bullshitting us all.
12 goals in 22 in a shit season by Lukaku’s standards (still just over 1 in 2). Martial is currently on 3 in 8.
So that shit season for Lukaku is more than Martial has ever managed in 4.5 seasons at United and even better than this year and Martial’s first year when he’s lead the line.
As I say, Lukaku is less likable than Lukaku and we fool ourselves because of it, Martial’s highs are better and he’s easier on the eye, but consistency wise he can’t hold a candle to Lukaku. Stick Lukaku in this side from the start of the season and we’re higher up in the table than we are now, he’s a proven goalscorer at every level.
As I say, Lukaku needed upgrading, I’m not a massive fan, but like with Matic and Fellaini, we’ve somehow inexplicably managed to downgrade and the table and results really are the proof in the pudding.
What your conveniently ignoring here is the fact Lukaku played CF for us consistently bar the last few games under Ole where he was playing as a WF vs Martial primarily playing LW for us bar his debut season and a handful of games here for Ole so far.Ha ha, sure, that PL table is just bullshitting us all.
12 goals in 22 in a shit season by Lukaku’s standards (still just over 1 in 2). Martial is currently on 3 in 8.
So that shit season for Lukaku is more than Martial has ever managed in 4.5 seasons at United and even better than this year and Martial’s first year when he’s lead the line.
As I say, Lukaku is less likable than Lukaku and we fool ourselves because of it, Martial’s highs are better and he’s easier on the eye, but consistency wise he can’t hold a candle to Lukaku. Stick Lukaku in this side from the start of the season and we’re higher up in the table than we are now, he’s a proven goalscorer at every level.
As I say, Lukaku needed upgrading, I’m not a massive fan, but like with Matic and Fellaini, we’ve somehow inexplicably managed to downgrade and the table and results really are the proof in the pudding.
Largely, yeah.The reality is that our defense is pretty good, but is left exposed too often.
This. Especially LvG was guilty of this. Well, either its him or Woody who's an idiotWe have spent the second most money in the league the last few years and we are in the middle of the table. It is easy to see that is has not been great. A big problem too is that we let good players go for little money.
I'm not the most familiar with xG stats...I've dug out a link here, care to explain how this info translates?Largely, yeah.
To those who don't dismiss xG it may also be interesting to know that we have the lowest (that would mean best) xGA rating in the league.
At any rate, we have improved defensively whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Bringing in a couple of good (and quite reliable) defenders probably has something to do with that.
I think its always been a thing. Even Sir Alex would let players go so that they got the moves they wanted, but we didnt always get the money they were worth. Of course its one thing being lenient when you're winning leagues and another thing when you are coming nowhere near.This. Especially LvG was guilty of this. Well, either its him or Woody who's an idiot
Yeah, just look who left under him: Welbeck, Kagawa, Zaha, Buttner, Hernandez, Evra, Evans, RvP, Nani and Rafael. Combined 75 million. Granted that most of these were either past it or not very good, but thats a ridiculous amount for so many playersI think its always been a thing. Even Sir Alex would let players go so that they got the moves they wanted, but we didnt always get the money they were worth. Of course its one thing being lenient when you're winning leagues and another thing when you are coming nowhere near.
Moyes signed Fellaini and Mata and they were hardly scout recommendations. Moyes also dithered on the Herrera deal and vetoed the Thiago Alcantara deal because he wasn't convinced. Not sure how the scouts can be blamed here.I'm fully aware our scouting is completely different to a decade previous, regardless...scouting was failing then, scouting is failing now.
I'm aware Ferguson used a small group of confidants to guide his judgement on players, as you say Martin was his go to guy for quite a few players.
You blame the managers on our transfer strategy, but that makes zero sense.
I mean if Jose says I need world class players that are going to cost a lot, its still up to the scouts to source these players. If its Ole and his preference of young, talented British players like last summer, it's still up to the scouts to source these players. If it's to dig out talented teenage players for the future... its still up to the scouts to find these players.
Routinely now for a decade or more our transfer dealings have failed and scouting plays a massive part in that.
For someone to absolve them of all blame is mind boggling.
I've said a lot this week, for us to be truly successful again for a period of time all layers of the club need to be functioning professionally and to a high standard and we are not.