1 win in 19 against non-relegated teams.

[GlazersHater]

Not even the most pessimist would have imagined we've come to this. I'm calling it now, were in serious trouble of relegation. All the signs are here.

 

[Holocene]

You haven't really hired a top manager in their prime ala Real Madrid with Mourinho, City/Bayern with Guardiola, or Liverpool with Klopp. Those tend to be the most foolproof appointments.
Beyond that there's taking gambles, but clubs usually move on from those quickly.

Who do you think these managers are now? Outside of Guardiola and Klopp.

Not even the most pessimist would have imagined we've come to this. I'm calling it now, were in serious trouble of relegation. All the signs are here.

Assuming you mean next season. No we are not.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

You haven't really hired a top manager in their prime ala Real Madrid with Mourinho, City/Bayern with Guardiola, or Liverpool with Klopp. Those tend to be the most foolproof appointments.
Beyond that there's taking gambles, but clubs usually move on from those quickly.

Fair. There isn’t really anybody out there though.

 

[GlazersHater]

Assuming you mean next season. No we are not.

I know it sounds dramatic, but if we’re being brutally honest, we should seriously worry about relegation unless there’s a drastic turnaround.

Let’s look at the facts under Amorim:

24 points in 25 league games.
That’s 0.96 points per game. Across a full season, that’s 36 points that's relegation territory.

Win rate of 24%.
Lowest for any permanent United manager in the Premier League era.

42 goals conceded in 26 games.
We’re leaking goals and there's no tactical coherence in defense.

Nine home defeats this season.
We’ve made Old Trafford a gift shop for visiting teams.

While the Europa League run has been decent, let’s not pretend knockout football masks the bigger issue: week-to-week, this team can't compete in the Premier League.

Now look at who’s coming up:

Leeds are back, and they’re no joke. 100 points in the Championship.

Burnley, promoted again, have conceded just 14 goals in 43 Championship games.

Sunderland or Sheffield United will round it out. The weakest of the 3, but still you never know.

These aren’t walkovers. And we’re not a team that can shrug off pressure anymore.

If we carry over this form, or worse, back Amorim without giving him the full squad rebuild his system needs (which we clearly can't afford), we're in for a fight at the wrong end of the table.

The squad is broken, the culture is toxic, and the manager looks out of his depth. Relegation might sound mad now, but so did us finishing 15-17th this season.

It’s not just possible it’s plausible. We better stop laughing off the idea and start preparing for it. Because next season might be the rudest
awakening this club has ever had.

 

[croadyman]

Just looked it up and found there were six teams who have gone down with 39 points or more

Boro 96/97 39
Sunderland 96/97 40
Bolton 97/98 40
West Ham 02/03 42
Blackpool 10/11 39
Birmingham 10/11 39

 

[Bright_Eyes]

Just looked it up and found there were six teams who have gone down with 39 points or more

Boro 96/97 39
Sunderland 96/97 40
Bolton 97/98 40
West Ham 02/03 42
Blackpool 10/11 39
Birmingham 10/11 39

I feel if pushed by an actual relegation threat this season we would have picked up a few more points. We have the ability to try a lot harder, as we can see in the Europa, so if something was on the line I'd expect to win a few more. That said I guess we could still get relegated next season if we carry over the same form, Amorim gets sacked, and the players write off the season again but can't pick it up enough when it becomes clear we're in danger.

 

[croadyman]

I feel if pushed by an actual relegation threat this season we would have picked up a few more points. We have the ability to try a lot harder, as we can see in the Europa, so if something was on the line I'd expect to win a few more. That said I guess we could still get relegated next season if we carry over the same form, Amorim gets sacked, and the players write off the season again but can't pick it up enough when it becomes clear we're in danger.

You are probably right but that's still frightening stat

 

[Bright_Eyes]

You are probably right but that's still frightening stat

Oh yeah absolutely. I'm not one of those that thinks we're not bad enough to be relegated either. Wouldn't take much of a further drop in performances from us to be in serious trouble next season. Many assume we'll improve and I really hope we do but I worry that we're in the cursed timeline sometimes.

 

[Sky1981]

At what number will there be a consensus that this is so unacceptable it's hard to put into words?

West Ham hadn't a win in 8 and they absolutely cruised by us.

Any worse than this we'd be relegated.

If he started this season without ETH points we'd be on 26 pts. Granted with more game in hands but still that's pretty grim

 

[Sky1981]

If I’m Ineos, Amorim goes with or without the Europa cup. We’ve seen enough. Yes the players are rubbish but decent managers know how to adapt. Amorim as much as I love the guy, seems to be a one-trick pony and even that “trick” isn’t working at United.

Rubbish or not. Certainly not 24 pts in 26 games rubbish. Heck I think give Ancelotti Leicester team he still can come up with better pts than us

If this is the best Amorim can come up with. I dont think he's the man to be given 300M to rebuild.

You can list excuses but even considering the excuses it's a whole level of bad perfomance.

Any other club with self respect would have sack him.

 

[Sky1981]

The thing that makes me lose hope is that we’ve tried everything:
*Moyes - Premier League proven, managed to keep Everton at a respectable level for 11 years. Downside: obviously not good enough, mid-table quality at best.
*van Gaal - had success with Barcelona, Bayern Munich, and the Netherlands national team, as well as guiding AZ to their first ever (I’m pretty sure) Eredivisie title. Downside - was past his best, he was 62 when we hired him.
*Mourinho - serial winner. Won the Champions League with Porto. Went to Chelsea, won two Premier Leagues, an FA Cup, and a League Cup. Won the treble with Inter, and La Liga with Real Madrid. Went back to Chelsea, and won the league again. Downside: was past his best, as the wheels fell completely off in the third season of his second spell at Chelsea.
*Solskjær - club legend. Did fantastic as caretaker. Downside - was absolutely horrendous after we appointed him permanently, which lasted for eight months until we signed Bruno. Won feck all during his time as manager, although this was after we appointed him. Did well as manager of Molde, but the Norwegian league is way weaker than the PL.
*Rangnick - very respected. Father of gegenpressing. Downside - hadn’t managed for over a decade.
*ten Hag - did very well with Ajax. Managed to make them the best team in the Netherlands again. Downside - as our manager, played an absolutely ridiculous system and signed some absolutely honking players.
*Amorim - probably the best young coach in Europe. Our first manager to not be appointed by the Glazers since Sir Alex himself. Only turned 40 in January. Managed to guide Sporting CP to their first title since 2002.

I’ve not counted Giggs, Carrick, or Van Nistelrooy, as their respective spells as caretaker were too short to be counted.

Like, the thing is, I’m completely fecking lost. I thought that both EtH and Amorim would guide us out of the dark ages, but we’re even more entrenched in them than we were three years ago. And I can’t see for the life of me who can carry us out of it, if we do sack Amorim. Maybe Inzaghi, but that’s it. Nobody else seems like they can turn it around and get us back to where we, and the club, want to be - title challengers and winners.

I mean yeah, some of our players are decent. But we have the worst goalkeeper and starting striker in the league. And that’s a big part of why we’re pants. If we got a better striker, we’d shoot up the league. None of our attacking players, except Amad and Bruno, could score in a brothel.

We're too high and proud. Looking back Jose and LVG weren't so bad. We just expect miracles and keep on chasing the "young modern attacking manager mantra"

If Amorim even gets 2nd he'll be lauded as god.

 

[Guv77]

PL record of no wins in 8 games.
If only we could play Leicester every week.

 

[didz]

Oh yeah absolutely. I'm not one of those that thinks we're not bad enough to be relegated either. Wouldn't take much of a further drop in performances from us to be in serious trouble next season. Many assume we'll improve and I really hope we do but I worry that we're in the cursed timeline sometimes.

Swap Leeds and Southampton around this term and we're probably needing a win to stay up on the final day.

 

[K Stand Knut]

We're too high and proud. Looking back Jose and LVG weren't so bad. We just expect miracles and keep on chasing the "young modern attacking manager mantra"

If Amorim even gets 2nd he'll be lauded as god.

And that would be fair with the current squad

 

[erikcred]

And that would be fair with the current squad

With how many are convinced we have the 16th best squad in the league, there'll be demands for a statue if we finish top-5.

 

[esmufc07]

We haven’t won back to back league games all season which I find crazy.

 

[Josep Dowling]

The thing that makes me lose hope is that we’ve tried everything:
*Moyes - Premier League proven, managed to keep Everton at a respectable level for 11 years. Downside: obviously not good enough, mid-table quality at best.
*van Gaal - had success with Barcelona, Bayern Munich, and the Netherlands national team, as well as guiding AZ to their first ever (I’m pretty sure) Eredivisie title. Downside - was past his best, he was 62 when we hired him.
*Mourinho - serial winner. Won the Champions League with Porto. Went to Chelsea, won two Premier Leagues, an FA Cup, and a League Cup. Won the treble with Inter, and La Liga with Real Madrid. Went back to Chelsea, and won the league again. Downside: was past his best, as the wheels fell completely off in the third season of his second spell at Chelsea.
*Solskjær - club legend. Did fantastic as caretaker. Downside - was absolutely horrendous after we appointed him permanently, which lasted for eight months until we signed Bruno. Won feck all during his time as manager, although this was after we appointed him. Did well as manager of Molde, but the Norwegian league is way weaker than the PL.
*Rangnick - very respected. Father of gegenpressing. Downside - hadn’t managed for over a decade.
*ten Hag - did very well with Ajax. Managed to make them the best team in the Netherlands again. Downside - as our manager, played an absolutely ridiculous system and signed some absolutely honking players.
*Amorim - probably the best young coach in Europe. Our first manager to not be appointed by the Glazers since Sir Alex himself. Only turned 40 in January. Managed to guide Sporting CP to their first title since 2002.

I’ve not counted Giggs, Carrick, or Van Nistelrooy, as their respective spells as caretaker were too short to be counted.

Like, the thing is, I’m completely fecking lost. I thought that both EtH and Amorim would guide us out of the dark ages, but we’re even more entrenched in them than we were three years ago. And I can’t see for the life of me who can carry us out of it, if we do sack Amorim. Maybe Inzaghi, but that’s it. Nobody else seems like they can turn it around and get us back to where we, and the club, want to be - title challengers and winners.

I mean yeah, some of our players are decent. But we have the worst goalkeeper and starting striker in the league. And that’s a big part of why we’re pants. If we got a better striker, we’d shoot up the league. None of our attacking players, except Amad and Bruno, could score in a brothel.

Where is the consistency in direction when each manager was hired? That is the biggest issue. We get led by a manager on transfers which wasted too much money, after it doesn’t work we scrap the manager’s idea and go with the next. This is why we are failing. I hoped Ashworth would change this but within 6 months he’s sacked and we let a non-footballing board member make football decisions. His master plan was to bring in a coach with a system that doesn’t suit the squad, mid season, with no transfer budget to buy a couple of decent wingbacks. It’s always poor planning at board level.

Moyes - Defensive coach that sacked our existing coaching staff. He was never good enough, called it before he was even hired. Why has Sir Alex chosen our next manager? Matt Busby did the same thing and that was a disaster as well.

Van Gaal - Possession coach. Past his best by 10 years. Reverted our style to something completely different and was allowed to sell too many players to build a very small squad.

Mourinho - Defensive coach that had just got sack from Chelsea after his worst league season. Spent an absolute fortune. He wasn’t allowed to spend the money in his 3rd summer after getting 2nd in the league. Only Fred and Dalot were sign which didn’t improve the team at all. Since managing us he’s proved to not be good enough.

Ole - Counterattacking coach with a track record of managing Cardiff who were relegated. Was meant to an interim coach who had a good initial run of wins. Was hired over an emotional reaction to beating PSG, we should have never won the game anyway because it was never a penalty. Probably our best football post Fergie but he wouldn’t get a job at any other big club in the world. Allowed to spend a fortune on average Premier League player (Wan Bissaka, Maguire).

Rangnick - was meant to be an interim that assessed the squad and then started building the team as a Director. Ten Hag doesn’t want him involved so he’s sacked before taking the job he was meant to be employed for. Why is Ten Hag dictating who manages above him? Once again we give full automony to the manager on transfer strategy.

Ten Hag - possession based coach. To be honest on paper this looked like the most logical appointment. Prior success at his old club with a style of play. The biggest issue was allowing him to sign who he wanted. Guess what he bought players his agent managed at inflated transfers fee. 100% Ten Hag profited from those transfer failings of ours.

Amorim - changes formation to 3-4-3 whilst we don’t have the squad to play that system. I think he’s a good manager that has come to the club at the wrong time.

If we had an actual Director of Football managing transfers, managerial appointments and direction of style we wouldn’t have wasted so much money on both managers and players. This is down to the Glazers, Woodward, Murtough, Arnold, Ratcliffe and Berreda. One of the biggest clubs in the world that doesn’t have a DOF position. Too many egos at board level that want to make footballing decisions.

 

[Roger Myerson]

Conte/ Zidane/ Simeone has the ability to take you to top 4 right away, but most Man United would rather gamble on the next Eth/ Amorim. A few months ago most Man United fans would turn their nose at the idea of Flick/ Enrique managing them. Its all about finding the next Ferguson for you guys. I think you guys are just deluded. Its extremely hard to win the PL/ CL. There was no way any of your teams could compete with Guardiola Man City or Klopp Liverpool. Winning the PL is a privilege its not a right. You need to get everything perfect. If you sticked with Mourinho or LVG or even Ole I am sure you would be in much better position than now. Its so funny that Man United fans ridicule West Ham for getting rid of Moyes (West Ham fans being delusional), yet you guys are basically doing the same thing. A well run club will sneak in a PL title 1 every 10 years, an extremely well run club (Liverpool) might get 2. You are no longer the biggest club in the world or even the PL, get on with that and get a Conte. Be happy to stay top 5/6 in the short term, unless things get too bad. Look at Spurs they regret getting of Conte right now.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Who do you think these managers are now? Outside of Guardiola and Klopp.

Not sure there is one. An argument could be made for Inzaghi if Inter win the CL. But I wouldn't just go hire him for that.
The best option now is to just take gambles on managers like Amorim.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Where is the consistency in direction when each manager was hired? That is the biggest issue. We get led by a manager on transfers which wasted too much money, after it doesn’t work we scrap the manager’s idea and go with the next. This is why we are failing. I hoped Ashworth would change this but within 6 months he’s sacked and we let a non-footballing board member make football decisions. His master plan was to bring in a coach with a system that doesn’t suit the squad, mid season, with no transfer budget to buy a couple of decent wingbacks. It’s always poor planning at board level.

Moyes - Defensive coach that sacked our existing coaching staff. He was never good enough, called it before he was even hired. Why has Sir Alex chosen our next manager? Matt Busby did the same thing and that was a disaster as well.

Van Gaal - Possession coach. Past his best by 10 years. Reverted our style to something completely different and was allowed to sell too many players to build a very small squad.

Mourinho - Defensive coach that had just got sack from Chelsea after his worst league season. Spent an absolute fortune. He wasn’t allowed to spend the money in his 3rd summer after getting 2nd in the league. Only Fred and Dalot were sign which didn’t improve the team at all. Since managing us he’s proved to not be good enough.

Ole - Counterattacking coach with a track record of managing Cardiff who were relegated. Was meant to an interim coach who had a good initial run of wins. Was hired over an emotional reaction to beating PSG, we should have never won the game anyway because it was never a penalty. Probably our best football post Fergie but he wouldn’t get a job at any other big club in the world. Allowed to spend a fortune on average Premier League player (Wan Bissaka, Maguire).

Rangnick - was meant to be an interim that assessed the squad and then started building the team as a Director. Ten Hag doesn’t want him involved so he’s sacked before taking the job he was meant to be employed for. Why is Ten Hag dictating who manages above him? Once again we give full automony to the manager on transfer strategy.

Ten Hag - possession based coach. To be honest on paper this looked like the most logical appointment. Prior success at his old club with a style of play. The biggest issue was allowing him to sign who he wanted. Guess what he bought players his agent managed at inflated transfers fee. 100% Ten Hag profited from those transfer failings of ours.

Amorim - changes formation to 3-4-3 whilst we don’t have the squad to play that system. I think he’s a good manager that has come to the club at the wrong time.

If we had an actual Director of Football managing transfers, managerial appointments and direction of style we wouldn’t have wasted so much money on both managers and players. This is down to the Glazers, Woodward, Murtough, Arnold, Ratcliffe and Berreda. One of the biggest clubs in the world that doesn’t have a DOF position. Too many egos at board level that want to make footballing decisions.

Yup. It’s been completely aimless. That’s why whomever we appoint next should play a style that’s not that different from our current style.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

Who do you think these managers are now? Outside of Guardiola and Klopp.


Assuming you mean next season. No we are not.

I think that we need to consider the possibility that we actually could be in a serious relegation fight next season actually.

We had a points total that would get plenty of teams relegated in a season with slightly better teams around the bottom.

We relied on Bruno as our only top class player to keep us afloat this season while the rest of the squad more or less showed that they're nowhere near the quality needed, with plenty of them showing that they would struggle in the Championship.

So let's imagine a scenario where we could be fighting to stay in the PL next season... Well, one lengthy injury to Bruno this season and we're looking at being beaten home and away by Wrexham in the league next year in the league (which would at least mean that we're in the TV show I guess), and there's already rumblings of him being subject to a big from Saudi.

Let's imagine that we lose the EL final (probably the most likely outcome) and therefore have very, very little money to spend this summer. Let's also imagine that nobody wants to pay £40m and £300k per week for a half decent winger in Rashford, and that nobody has much interest in Sancho on huge wages having seen Chelsea pay to get rid, and that cubs are trying to get a bargain for Antony. That means that we're going to struggle to make much money too.

So let's say that we only have the money for 1-2 signings to bolster a piss poor squad that probably should have been fighting against relegation this season. Let's imagine for a second that this club doesn't have the greatest history with signings... And that those two players don't suddenly buck this trend and instead of being the ones who turn things around, they are just the next Hojlund and Sancho, or Zirkzee, or Antony etc., which lets face it, seems far more likely.

Then imagine that a Saudi club comes in for Bruno when United are thinking they've signed a couple of studs. Logically most clubs would want to cash in on an older player who's likely to decline in the next year or two if a big bid comes in. Our club have proven that they're not exactly full of executive genius (I recently heard someone at United saying that we don't bother with looking at analytics at all for example) - so do we really think they wouldn't think it was a great idea to get £100m for an ageing Bruno, not realising that he's our only decent player?

I can very easily imagine a scenario (or three) where we completely mess up our summer window and end up selling Bruno late on in the window to leave us facing a very real relegation scrap that our lightweight, weak mentality squad can't handle.

 

[Ludens the Red]

I think that we need to consider the possibility that we actually could be in a serious relegation fight next season actually.

We had a points total that would get plenty of teams relegated in a season with slightly better teams around the bottom.

We relied on Bruno as our only top class player to keep us afloat this season while the rest of the squad more or less showed that they're nowhere near the quality needed, with plenty of them showing that they would struggle in the Championship.

So let's imagine a scenario where we could be fighting to stay in the PL next season... Well, one lengthy injury to Bruno this season and we're looking at being beaten home and away by Wrexham in the league next year in the league (which would at least mean that we're in the TV show I guess), and there's already rumblings of him being subject to a big from Saudi.

Let's imagine that we lose the EL final (probably the most likely outcome) and therefore have very, very little money to spend this summer. Let's also imagine that nobody wants to pay £40m and £300k per week for a half decent winger in Rashford, and that nobody has much interest in Sancho on huge wages having seen Chelsea pay to get rid, and that cubs are trying to get a bargain for Antony. That means that we're going to struggle to make much money too.

So let's say that we only have the money for 1-2 signings to bolster a piss poor squad that probably should have been fighting against relegation this season. Let's imagine for a second that this club doesn't have the greatest history with signings... And that those two players don't suddenly buck this trend and instead of being the ones who turn things around, they are just the next Hojlund and Sancho, or Zirkzee, or Antony etc., which lets face it, seems far more likely.

Then imagine that a Saudi club comes in for Bruno when United are thinking they've signed a couple of studs. Logically most clubs would want to cash in on an older player who's likely to decline in the next year or two if a big bid comes in. Our club have proven that they're not exactly full of executive genius (I recently heard someone at United saying that we don't bother with looking at analytics at all for example) - so do we really think they wouldn't think it was a great idea to get £100m for an ageing Bruno, not realising that he's our only decent player?

I can very easily imagine a scenario (or three) where we completely mess up our summer window and end up selling Bruno late on in the window to leave us facing a very real relegation scrap that our lightweight, weak mentality squad can't handle.

Yep, there seems to be this automatic thought process and notion that the window will go well and Amorim will be then able to successfully implement his system.

History tells us current United transfer windows actually more often than not go very badly and cause more damage. Even looking at last summer. De Ligt, Zirkzee, Ugarte are three players that don’t look good enough for a team trying to push for top 5 in the Pl.

And your first line about a relegation battle. That is actually far more likely than a push for top 6 based on what we’ve seen these last two seasons from this group of players and with this current coach. Football doesn’t work with a light switch, Leicester in 2016 and Forest this year are outliers. Logically and following trajectory, we will be in a fight for survival next season not anything else.

 

[astracrazy]

It's so sad that I would be more confident for Wednesday with this squad if Jose, Ole or even ETH were in charge for that one game. Not even trying 4 at the back just a few times already has hurt our chances.

EtH and Jose, yes. Ole never got us over the line in a final.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Where is the consistency in direction when each manager was hired? That is the biggest issue. We get led by a manager on transfers which wasted too much money, after it doesn’t work we scrap the manager’s idea and go with the next. This is why we are failing. I hoped Ashworth would change this but within 6 months he’s sacked and we let a non-footballing board member make football decisions. His master plan was to bring in a coach with a system that doesn’t suit the squad, mid season, with no transfer budget to buy a couple of decent wingbacks. It’s always poor planning at board level.

Moyes - Defensive coach that sacked our existing coaching staff. He was never good enough, called it before he was even hired. Why has Sir Alex chosen our next manager? Matt Busby did the same thing and that was a disaster as well.

Van Gaal - Possession coach. Past his best by 10 years. Reverted our style to something completely different and was allowed to sell too many players to build a very small squad.

Mourinho - Defensive coach that had just got sack from Chelsea after his worst league season. Spent an absolute fortune. He wasn’t allowed to spend the money in his 3rd summer after getting 2nd in the league. Only Fred and Dalot were sign which didn’t improve the team at all. Since managing us he’s proved to not be good enough.

Ole - Counterattacking coach with a track record of managing Cardiff who were relegated. Was meant to an interim coach who had a good initial run of wins. Was hired over an emotional reaction to beating PSG, we should have never won the game anyway because it was never a penalty. Probably our best football post Fergie but he wouldn’t get a job at any other big club in the world. Allowed to spend a fortune on average Premier League player (Wan Bissaka, Maguire).

Rangnick - was meant to be an interim that assessed the squad and then started building the team as a Director. Ten Hag doesn’t want him involved so he’s sacked before taking the job he was meant to be employed for. Why is Ten Hag dictating who manages above him? Once again we give full automony to the manager on transfer strategy.

Ten Hag - possession based coach. To be honest on paper this looked like the most logical appointment. Prior success at his old club with a style of play. The biggest issue was allowing him to sign who he wanted. Guess what he bought players his agent managed at inflated transfers fee. 100% Ten Hag profited from those transfer failings of ours.

Amorim - changes formation to 3-4-3 whilst we don’t have the squad to play that system. I think he’s a good manager that has come to the club at the wrong time.

If we had an actual Director of Football managing transfers, managerial appointments and direction of style we wouldn’t have wasted so much money on both managers and players. This is down to the Glazers, Woodward, Murtough, Arnold, Ratcliffe and Berreda. One of the biggest clubs in the world that doesn’t have a DOF position. Too many egos at board level that want to make footballing decisions.

Great post, agreed completely except for one minor nitpick - Ralf was never going to be a director, just an external consultant. Still, ETH should've had no power to sack him.

 

[croadyman]

Great post, agreed completely except for one minor nitpick - Ralf was never going to be a director, just an external consultant. Still, ETH should've had no power to sack him.

He should have been listened to by Ten Hag, yes he wasn't a Utd manager but had a real eye for talent

 

[Bobski]

As a club we need to stop with the expecting a manager to bring a vision for the club with them, has led to Utd going from rebuild to rebuild throwing vast sums of money at players hoping for quick fixes. That vision needs to come from above and the culture of the club, there should be a basic outline of footballing principles and the desire to incrementally improve, develop players and create sustainable success.

Most managers fail, the club should be stable enough that it shouldn't lead to the chaos we see so often at Utd.

This being a disastrous season was entirely predictable. Waited far too long to dump Ten Hag, allowed more money to be spent on players for his system then when the inevitable happened pivoted to a manager who plays a different way and will obviously need a serious squad rebuild again.

If Ten Hag was the guy and the club put faith in him for months and months more than the performances deserved why then not opt for a manager with a similar approach and hope for better execution? Again, lack of vision that puts the manager, and squad into a long period of uncertainty.

 

[DRJosh]

I think achieving Top 6 next season is a highly ambitious goal for this lot of players. We’d do well to finish above our current 16th place finish.

A lot of fans are still in denial about how terrible we are as a collective. And I wouldn’t have us completely out of a relegation battle next season if we don’t make a series of smart moves in the transfer market. I also think we’re being led by a manager that’s out of his depth.

 

[Adisa]

Although I don’t think we will get top 6, football is funny. I wouldn’t rule it out. A good summer and a good start to the season and you never know.

In terms of talent, we cannot be 16th. We have massively underperformed.

 

[Spark]

If I’m Ineos, Amorim goes with or without the Europa cup. We’ve seen enough. Yes the players are rubbish but decent managers know how to adapt. Amorim as much as I love the guy, seems to be a one-trick pony and even that “trick” isn’t working at United.

The thing is, if Ineos are honest then it's themselves who need to be replaced. Instead of bleating on about "best in class". Utter idiots.

Amorim has been awful though, regardless.

 

[DRJosh]

The thing is, if Ineos are honest then it's themselves who need to be replaced. Instead of bleating on about "best in class". Utter idiots.

Amorim has been awful though, regardless.

True although any managerial appointment will ultimately be a gamble whether it’s INEOS or someone else. When the odds aren’t looking great, it’s time for a change.

 

[SER19]

Make it 19.

Im sure there's still somebody somewhere calling this a knee jerk thread.

 

[Kopral Jono]

Although I don’t think we will get top 6, football is funny. I wouldn’t rule it out. A good summer and a good start to the season and you never know.

In terms of talent, we cannot be 16th. We have massively underperformed.

Despite everything we'll be nowhere near this tragic next season, mark my words (we have a few decent players after all), but finishing top six is a pipe dream. Mid-table is where we belong and I think we'll be languishing there or thereabouts for the foreseeable future.

Though a cup run is always on the cards.

 

[Winrar]

2 in 20 now. Our win percentage has nearly doubled from 5.3% to 10% in this category.

Get in!!!

 

[Houdini]

That was the storm.

 

[sunama]

2 in 20 now. Our win percentage has nearly doubled from 5.3% to 10% in this category.

Get in!!!

And if you look around the forum, some fans are saying that this manager isn't that bad and that we need to back him.
I'm sure some people think he's a great manager.
I think the standard now is, "don't get us relegated....as long he doesn't get us relegated, we'll back him".
How can standards have fallen this low?

 

[stepic]

And if you look around the forum, some fans are saying that this manager isn't that bad and that we need to back him.
I'm sure some people think he's a great manager.
I think the standard now is, "don't get us relegated....as long he doesn't get us relegated, we'll back him".
How can standards have fallen this low?

Because you just made up that standard.

 

[Aleryan]

2 in 20 now. Our win percentage has nearly doubled from 5.3% to 10% in this category.

Get in!!!

It's 3 wins in 21.