2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

[Red Dreams]

What was most interesting about that Monmouth poll is how few people said they were set in their decision. Buttigieg’s Iowa rise could be due to uncertainty over Biden and no other option in the Centrist lane with Harris nose diving, Warren pitching to the centre left and your boy dropping out. Who knows. The relative closeness of Indiana could help with his momentum.

I have yet to see one person who supports him give me policy reasons why they do though that could be the circles I move in. A lot of identity politics stuff brought up (sexuality, age, the fact he’s a vet...). I also had one friend who when I criticised Kamala told me I “shouldn’t care so much about her record” voters are annoying as candidates sometimes!

Since climate is my primary interest I will be fair and put his “manifesto” in this post for those who want to read: https://storage.googleapis.com/pfa-webapp/documents/Climate-Plan-White-Paper.pdf

I wont believe anything this guy says.

Climate Change? There is only one reliable candidate. Bernie Sanders.

Why would Obama want this minnow to run when he could easily just back Buttigieg instead.

Pete will never carry the Southern States.

Patrick is a black Governor.

 

[Raoul]

Pete will never carry the Southern States.

Patrick is a black Governor.

How is this hypothesis working out for Harris and Booker ?

 

[fishfingers15]

Is he good though? Patrick Deval? Don't know anything about him. Whether he has a chance to win or not, if he's a good guy, then it's easy to get excited.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Is he good though? Patrick Deval? Don't know anything about him. Whether he has a chance to win or not, if he's a good guy, then it's easy to get excited.

It's Deval Patrick not Patrick Deval. And that pretty much sums up any further questions.

 

[Raoul]

Is he good though? Patrick Deval? Don't know anything about him. Whether he has a chance to win or not, if he's a good guy, then it's easy to get excited.

His chances are probably on par with Booker Corey's.

 

[Red Dreams]

How is this hypothesis working out for Harris and Booker ?

Harris has her skeletons.

Patrick is a friend of Obama's and he was a Governor.

 

[Raoul]

Harris has her skeletons.

Patrick is a friend of Obama's and he was a Governor.

That won't count for anything in the Presidential race since he's an anonymous minnow with zero political swag.

 

[Red Dreams]

That won't count for anything in the Presidential race since he's an anonymous minnow with zero political swag.

Do you seriously believe Mayor Pete will carry the Southern States?

 

[Zarlak]

Do you seriously believe Mayor Pete will carry the Southern States?

This Deval person that nobody knows won't carry any state.

 

[Red Dreams]

This Deval person that nobody knows won't carry any state.

Perhaps you don't follow politics much then

 

[Eboue]

zarlak is right. deval is a monster and no one likes him

 

[Red Dreams]

zarlak is right. deval is a monster and no one likes him

I'm no supporter of his.
Neither do I support Biden.

He is an option if Black voters were not to vote for Biden.
In any case he would not have jumped in without consulting Obama.

Just my thoughts on this.

 

[Raoul]

Perhaps you don't follow politics much then

No one knows who he is, so why would anyone vote for him....especially if he can't make any of the debates. He would be as effective as Eric Holder, who is apparently also looking into running.

 

[Raoul]

Do you seriously believe Mayor Pete will carry the Southern States?

No, but Biden will, which of course wouldn't matter in the Gen anyway since the GOP will sweep the south as before.

 

[Red Dreams]

No, but Biden will, which of course wouldn't matter in the Gen anyway since the GOP will sweep the south as before.

This is why I think Patrick has been 'asked to jump in'.
Once again this is me reading the tea leaves.

I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg on the Biden Ukraine issue.

btw I would never vote for Patrick.

 

[Charlie Foley]

This was clear after that political donor map the NY Times published. Outside of Delaware/DC area, every wealthy zip code in the country has been donating to Buttigig the past 4 months.

There it is! *plays Shane McMahon WWF song*

 

[Florida Man]

This is why I think Patrick has been 'asked to jump in'.
Once again this is me reading the tea leaves.

I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg on the Biden Ukraine issue.

btw I would never vote for Patrick.

I think I see what you're saying. Deval Patrick is there to shave numbers off of Biden in the southern states and decreasing his chances of picking up the delegates needed to win the nomination. He's essentially a crab agent.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

If we are discussing ratfecking, isn’t it more likely that Patrick as a former 2 terms MA governor would try to position himself close to the left and siphon off some votes from Warren/Sanders (mostly the former) in the New England area?

Sure, Obama loves him and has touted him running more than once, but you’d think if they had an actual plan he wouldn’t have left it so late.

 

[Suedesi]

Is Deval Patrick taking votes* from Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren?

*If he's taking any

 

[Red Dreams]

I think I see what you're saying. Deval Patrick is there to shave numbers off of Biden in the southern states and decreasing his chances of picking up the delegates needed to win the nomination. He's essentially a crab agent.

I think the DNC has realised too late that Biden is high risk.

We may well have a brokered convention.

 

[Florida Man]

If we are discussing ratfecking, isn’t it more likely that Patrick as a former 2 terms MA governor would try to position himself close to the left and siphon off some votes from Warren/Sanders (mostly the former) in the New England area?

Sure, Obama loves him and has touted him running more than once, but you’d think if they had an actual plan he wouldn’t have left it so late.

Could be that too. Whatever it is, it feels sketchy to me.

 

[Suedesi]

It just smacks of desperation and ego. This guy is a political minnow and yet seems to think he has what it takes to ignore the campaign process and swoop in late to win it all.

Frankly our election cycle is too long. The election is a year away and it feels like some candidates have been campaigning since 2016

 

[Ekkie Thump]

Frankly our election cycle is too long. The election is a year away and it feels like some candidates have been campaigning since 2016

And you have the midterms too. It's all one long election push.

 

[Red Dreams]

The Republicans will turn back the impeachment proceedings on the Dems saying Biden was guilty. So Trump was right.
Just wait for it.

 

[berbatrick]

In its August and September coverage, by total mentions, MSNBC talked about Biden twice as often as Warren and three times as often as Sanders. By number of episodes, 64% of the 240 episodes discussed Biden, 43% discussed Warren and 36% discussed Sanders. A quarter of the episodes only discussed Biden, compared to 5% and 1% that mentioned only Warren or Sanders, respectively.

http://inthesetimes.com/features/ms...verage-democratic-primary-media-analysis.html

 

[Carolina Red]

Frankly our election cycle is too long. The election is a year away and it feels like some candidates have been campaigning since 2016

They’ve turned it into constant campaigning so they don’t actually have to do things.

Look at the House... you’re up for re-election every 2 years, so you’re literally always in campaign mode.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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[Red Dreams]

http://inthesetimes.com/features/ms...verage-democratic-primary-media-analysis.html

surprised Maddow has not been fired....

...yet.

 

[Adisa]

I thought Booker's campaign was on the brink?

 

[Charlie Foley]

I think I see what you're saying. Deval Patrick is there to shave numbers off of Biden in the southern states and decreasing his chances of picking up the delegates needed to win the nomination. He's essentially a crab agent.

Is that like a frog kid

 

[Charlie Foley]

Anyone else think of Zeev Sternhell when they see this

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Anyone else think of Zeev Sternhell when they see this

I feel like ever since Obama won in 2008 all these Democrats are more interested in coming up with catchy slogans or clever sound bites in debate than they are in producing any meaningful substance that is going to attract people. I am at a point where I get physically sick seeing crap like this poster. I can almost hear the 20-something marketing guys, who didn't study anything useful in getting a lame "Business" degree and then spending a week coming up with this and thinking they are so damn clever.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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[Eboue]

cool

 

[Charlie Foley]

I feel like ever since Obama won in 2008 all these Democrats are more interested in coming up with catchy slogans or clever sound bites in debate than they are in producing any meaningful substance that is going to attract people. I am at a point where I get physically sick seeing crap like this poster. I can almost hear the 20-something marketing guys, who didn't study anything useful in getting a lame "Business" degree and then spending a week coming up with this and thinking they are so damn clever.

Yeah. Obviously he is not a fascist but it was funny to me considering he has got positive ‘reviews’ from white nationalists and far-right people. I think what you said is most likely, some douchey business kid who thinks Boulanger was a baker came up with some “hip” slogan and has no idea of the connotation.

 

[Eboue]

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Only 140,000 more people will die between year 1 and year 3!

 

[Florida Man]

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Only 140,000 more people will die between year 1 and year 3!

Explain how 140,000 people die with a public option?

 

[Florida Man]

I feel like ever since Obama won in 2008 all these Democrats are more interested in coming up with catchy slogans or clever sound bites in debate than they are in producing any meaningful substance that is going to attract people. I am at a point where I get physically sick seeing crap like this poster. I can almost hear the 20-something marketing guys, who didn't study anything useful in getting a lame "Business" degree and then spending a week coming up with this and thinking they are so damn clever.

Political slogans have been a thing loooooooong before Obama.

 

[Eboue]

Explain how 140,000 people die with a public option?

A public option isn't healthcare. It's just a health insurance company run through the government. You still have to pay premiums and deductibles and there are still caps and billing hell and phone trees to navigate. The difference is that it is a little bit cheaper.

You realize none of the efficiencies and cost savings from Medicare for all which then dont exist to be invested in actually providing care and all you've done is create an insurance company that people hate and given Republicans a clear example to point to and say "the the government cannot provide healthcare".

Its shit.

 

[Florida Man]

A public option isn't healthcare. It's just a health insurance company run through the government. You still have to pay premiums and deductibles and there are still caps and billing hell and phone trees to navigate. The difference is that it is a little bit cheaper.

You realize none of the efficiencies and cost savings from Medicare for all which then dont exist to be invested in actually providing care and all you've done is create an insurance company that people hate and given Republicans a clear example to point to and say "the the government cannot provide healthcare".

Its shit.

It's to my understanding a public option would be without premiums and deductibles. But I see your point. It almost sounds like a Medicaid for all the way you describe it.