So many other things have been going on that i honestly thought he had conceded ages ago
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Trump will beat Biden anyway, the youth vote has totally gone out of the window and this is the most uninspiring election in god knows how long and that includes 2016.
Inevitable ,but still disappointing. Maybe Biden as promised him a position in the party .
Trump would have beaten Sanders anyway, there's a reason why 2 supposedly uninspiring candidates both got many many more primary votes than Sanders.
I thought he had it for awhile there. Oh well, I’ll stop getting requests for donations at least.
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This is why a progressive would face difficulty to becoming the Dem nominee.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/opinion/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html
In summary the party is 60% establishment, 20% neo-liberal, and 20% progressive, which doesn't seem to create favorable conditions for a progressive to win the nomination, while creating favorable conditions for an establishment candidate to win it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/opinion/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html
In summary the party is 60% establishment, 20% neo-liberal, and 20% progressive, which doesn't seem to create favorable conditions for a progressive to win the nomination, while creating favorable conditions for an establishment candidate to win it.
The fact is that a decisive majority — 60 percent — of the Democratic electorate is made up of men and women loyal to the centrist party establishment, such as it is, and to organizations, from unions to party committees, that are aligned with it.
And there is little or no evidence that the greater part of the American people have the desire, or the stomach, for political revolution.
Earlier this month, Shom Mazumder, a political scientist at Harvard, published a study, “Why The Progressive Left Fits So Uncomfortably Within The Democratic Party,” that analyzed data from a 2019 survey of 2,900 likely Democratic primary voters. “I saw two clear poles emerge within the Democratic Party,” he writes:
“Progressive left” Democrats, at just under 20 percent, were most favorable to labor unions, Black Lives Matter, the #MeToo movement, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Democratic Socialists of America. These Democrats viewed business interests — as exemplified by Wall Street — negatively, and they weren’t happy about Joe Manchin, the centrist senator from West Virginia, either.
The third group, “neoliberal” Democrats, at 20 percent, is as large as the progressive wing. These voters like what the progressives don’t like — Wall Street, Manchin — and dislike pretty much everything progressives favor, including Ocasio-Cortez and the Democratic Socialists of America.
Mazumder uses the label “establishment Democrats” idiosyncratically. His data shows that at 44 percent, minorities make up a much larger share of these voters than their share of either progressives, at 28 percent, or neoliberals at 32 percent. His establishment voters are roughly 60-40 female, while the other two categories are majority male.
In contrast, Mazumder’s progressives stand out as the whitest group — 72 percent Anglo — of the three categories, the least diverse constituency of an increasingly multicultural and multiracial party.
The progressives were also the only Democratic faction in which a majority — 75.1 percent — said that if they could “wave a magic wand” and make the candidate of their choice the nominee, they would pick either Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.
Only a third of establishment voters chose either Sanders or Warren, and even fewer, a fifth of the neoliberals, would pick either of the two.
A central rationale of the Sanders campaign is that if he is elected, he would wrest control of the Democratic Party from corporate America and turn it over to the working and middle class.
And there is little or no evidence that the greater part of the American people have the desire, or the stomach, for political revolution.
Earlier this month, Shom Mazumder, a political scientist at Harvard, published a study, “Why The Progressive Left Fits So Uncomfortably Within The Democratic Party,” that analyzed data from a 2019 survey of 2,900 likely Democratic primary voters. “I saw two clear poles emerge within the Democratic Party,” he writes:
“Establishment” voters, in this scheme, means center-left voters who make up just over 60 percent of the total. They stood out as favorably inclined to Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee — in other words, to the Democratic establishment.
“Progressive left” Democrats, at just under 20 percent, were most favorable to labor unions, Black Lives Matter, the #MeToo movement, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Democratic Socialists of America. These Democrats viewed business interests — as exemplified by Wall Street — negatively, and they weren’t happy about Joe Manchin, the centrist senator from West Virginia, either.
The third group, “neoliberal” Democrats, at 20 percent, is as large as the progressive wing. These voters like what the progressives don’t like — Wall Street, Manchin — and dislike pretty much everything progressives favor, including Ocasio-Cortez and the Democratic Socialists of America.
Mazumder uses the label “establishment Democrats” idiosyncratically. His data shows that at 44 percent, minorities make up a much larger share of these voters than their share of either progressives, at 28 percent, or neoliberals at 32 percent. His establishment voters are roughly 60-40 female, while the other two categories are majority male.
In contrast, Mazumder’s progressives stand out as the whitest group — 72 percent Anglo — of the three categories, the least diverse constituency of an increasingly multicultural and multiracial party.
The progressives were also the only Democratic faction in which a majority — 75.1 percent — said that if they could “wave a magic wand” and make the candidate of their choice the nominee, they would pick either Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.
Only a third of establishment voters chose either Sanders or Warren, and even fewer, a fifth of the neoliberals, would pick either of the two.
A central rationale of the Sanders campaign is that if he is elected, he would wrest control of the Democratic Party from corporate America and turn it over to the working and middle class.
4 more years for Trump
Not like them there yanks to make a mistake there
No more Democratic debates, Biden can go into hiding now until November
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Record win for a sitting President and Biden being the first Presidential candidate to vote for his opponent will both be worth a bet.
Yeah those polls again.How did that work out for Hillary.
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She made a fortune with that book.
I hope he concentrates on PA, WI, MI this time. Go for FL too if DeSantis keeps messing things up.
The Dem primary ended how Democrats wanted? *o no gif*
All will be in play imo. FL would've been a write off for the Dems if Sanders was the nominee. Biden is a bit more suited to do well there.
He should be more worried about those "Anyone but Trump" Republicans voters that the DNC seem to be courting.
Whats the difference ? The article never goes into the differences between the two. Neo liberalism at it's core is a model of capitalism, it's not simply a political preference, Obama was a neo liberal, the same with Pelosi. Neo liberalism has been the dominate model of capitalism for the past 40 odd years, so what the hell is establishment politics, if it isn't neoliberalism ?
The overall point of the article seem true enough, the progressives simply don't have the numbers.
Even worse for progressives then since that would make it an 80-20 split.
Yeah if anything the article was far too optimistic about the chances of progressives.
From a anyone but Trump perspective, I'm happy the primary is done.
Despite what a very vocal minority claim, Biden has the better chance IMHO.
Win FL and Trump doesn't have a realistic path.
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Trump's win was a fluke. He capitalized on some bad press Hillary received 10 days prior to the election which saw polls tighten then on top of which won 3 key swing states very very narrowly. The stars and planets aligned for him in those last couple of weeks, but he's an extremely poor candidate and Biden probably will win this.
Having said that though look as early as 2021 for special elections as I fully expect the GOP to rebuild quickly under him, I would put a bet on the GOP holding both the house and senate once again come January 2023.
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Trump believes in horseshoe theory I see
Bernie noooo!
Nice words .And i believe that to be true. But i've lost any respect for Warren.
I hear this from Trump supporters each time an unfavorable poll is posted.
Which is nearly all of them. Biden has led 23 out the last 24 national polls.
Yep. If the polls are bad, the only remaining response would be to question the validity of polls.
Bernie dropped out?
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It's a win win for them. Trump vs 'Nothing will fundamentally change'
that's sexist!! stop the bernie bro toxic rhetoric
She was actually sixty something just before the election, not 78% like Biden is now. She also struggled in a head-to-head vs Bernie, while Biden totally annihilated him. Biden is a much better/electable candidate than Hillary.
Bernie's base was too small to pose a realistic thread to either Biden or Trump. People act 4 more years for Trump (cause Biden is a bad candidate), but Biden was +40 or so in head to head vs Bernie. And that, in the left part of the voters.
Essentially, Bernie had no chance of winning the primary, let alone the main election. He did well only because there were like 5 centrist candidates while the vote from the left-wing of the party was divided only between Bernie and Warren.
Bernie in swing states would have been totally destroyed. It is absurd to think that Bernie does worse than Biden in leftish states Massachusetts or Minessota, but somehow it is gonna do better than him in tossup states where the centrists and GOP are stronger.
Could someone explain why Biden is not popular among people?
For me it's what he stands for .
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