I don't recall anyone pleased in this thread for a long time.
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Doesn't surprise me that you lack self awareness.
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imagine defending joe biden. couldnt be me
Imagine helping Donald Trump getting reelected. I couldn’t.
you should take that one up with raprock obidenbama who cleared the field for joe
I have no idea what that means, but... I do like biscuits and gravy.
What cleared the field for Joe were people voted for him and not the other candidates.
There is no excuse to not vote for Biden against Trump unless you are truly brainless .
You have a President actively encouraging people to go out and spread a virus that will kill thousands of Americans and yet you want to sulk like a spoilt brat because your Bernie just isnt as popular as you thought
actually its cause i dont want to vote for a right wing rapist who has spent his career helping crediting card companies and supporting the iraq war. thanks for playing though
Doesn't surprise me that you wrote something like that.
There is no point in needling Eboue. He is a fringe minority
Joe Biden Is NOT The "Lesser Of Two Evils"
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Think this is going to be a big line of attack through till november... Hunter / china / drain the swamp part 2
Oh lord. Biden and his team just had to not be specific in regards to China. They should have specified the Chinese government as opposed to China itself. First the cold war rhetoric and now this? Jesus christ. If both supporters of the 2 political parties start to hold these anti-Chinese sentiments I can see Asian Americans suffering more abuse from idiots.
Yeah, I thought about it and put him on ignore right after. Even though it's liberating it's a shame because I do want to understand opposing views. It's one of the many benefits of this site.
Do you agree with his sentiment?
Personally, I think he's very good at cursing, and very poor at following thoughts through. His answer to the problem appears to be well the system is f*cked so f*ckedy f*ck f*ck.
He also blames Trump on Obama's failings, which is a take I personally don't agree with, I believe Trump succeeded because the GOP are better at gaming the system and leveraging misinformation.
Very true, though one of the worst things about the site is definitely people circlejerking about how "everyone warned me about person X". It's also becoming apparent that everyone wants to make it perfectly clear that they really, really tried giving person X a chance, but that gosh darnit they still had to ignore them. Everyone warned them, you see.
I'm not naming names because that would be crass, and I pride myself on being the best me that I can possibly be.
Yes i agree with his sentiments. Obama promised hope and change ,he was the Bernie Saunders of the time if you will. But once in power he became the same old neoliberal politician . Eight years saw not much change or hope, people living paycheck to paycheck,working more than one job to stay afloat. People were hurt and angry with the current politics. So when Trump came along with his populist ,anti establishment brand of politics ,this appealed to many. Yes there were racists and Evangelicals that latched on to this movement, but there was a lot of those that twice voted Obama , but could not see themselves voting for a continuation of Obama.
Boobies doesn't live there anymore.
Well it's painfully obvious who you mean
I wouldn't call it circlejerking either. This site rarely does that. There's an amazing breadth of knowledge and opposing views here. Their jesting aside, most can convey those views without being overly obnoxious. Anyhow, I'm moving on and hoping to learn the views of others.Do you believe the lack of change was Obama's fault?
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The governor still had a very positive approval in the same poll
He's been consistently polling well since getting elected. Before the virus came along, the conventional wisdom was that he was doing better than most expected, which was largely down to Trump's support and a strong economy. This is also why he's rushing to reopen beaches and businesses, which may spectacularly backfire in the end.The governor still had a very positive approval in the same poll
Let's hope he doesn't end up killing thousands unnecessarily.
Do you believe he deserves no blame?
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They are all forced to change (except Trump) once they get to the White House. Sanders would be no different in this regard as he wouldn't ever get anything passed if tried to remain a rigid socialist.
He does. But certainly not all of it. He basically had 1-2 years to enact his agenda before Republicans blocked everything he tried to do.
Does Biden actually stand a chance of winning the election ?
Well the polls have him winning by an edge, so yes, he clearly has a chance. But it's basically 50:50 right now.
He’s up in every poll, so he obviously has a chance.
If Biden doesn't make any mistakes and stick to his message he has I think. Hillary was much more unpopular than Biden. Now that most people realise how terrible Trump is I feel Biden can win. I don't like him and think Bernie would have been the better choice but it is the lesser of two evils now.
Incidentally what would happen if Biden is not able to run? Whom would the Democrats chose at the convention then?
Incidentally what would happen if Biden is not able to run? Whom would the Democrats chose at the convention then?
I have been told a lot of Bernie fans and Trump fans behave the same way ignorant to anyone else's point of view and more than willing to cut their own nose off to spite their face .
Have to say it does seem very true there is little difference between them.
The stupid names they give people they don't like is just the start of the comparisons
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Everytime he tried to change something he was voted down. What exactly was he supposed to do about that?
It is a crazy system in my opinion that someone can be President yet his party can be a minority .
Anyone who honestly believes Sanders would have been able to get any of his policies through in the situation is delusional
Hopefully not a lot and rather just a few (including many fake ones on Twitter). I'm very fortunate to have a very good elderly friend who was a huge Sanders supporter. I mention elderly because he is heavily involved in politics and he called Bernie the best possible candidate in his lifetime back in 2016. I learned a lot from him about Bernie's movement and was glad to do so. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, my views align far more with Bernie than Biden. What's interesting is my friend switched this year. We were due to have lunch and discuss why he switched. I'm sure he'd vote Bernie if he was the nominee. Going to be an interesting discussion for sure, just like many on here.
Yes.
1. He got his cabinet vetted by Citibank: https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton
2. He listened to his more conservative advisors constantly. Krugman, a defender of his, admitted that his side was constantly overruled on stuff related to the bank bailout. His team decided to bail out the banks and not homeowners. He appointed a lawyer with ties to Wall Street as AG and together they decided not to prosecute Wall Street.
3. He and the party played a double game regarding the public option: https://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
4. He reached out to Republicans long after it was clear they were not interested in compromise, since he personally believed that politics must be done in a certain way: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/...ma-worried-too-much-about-republican-opinion/ (article by a pretty rabid Warren supporter)
This is a long post by an Obama and Democratic party organiser about how he unravelled everything they had built in 2008.
There is also the fact that Tea Party refusal to take a minor tax hike for major spending cuts, alongside a Bernie-led crusade, is what saved social security from cuts Obama and Biden proposed.
What is even the point of making this comparison? It's not the racism, it is that which makes Trump supporters bad.
I know that's not your intention so forgive me, but I just found it ridiculous that people keep going back to any little similarity with Trump supporters as a way to beat someone up online.Also, the centrists act the same way. Just search khive or just follow anything the anti-Bernie crowd does. They act the same way. Difference is that they don't have the media machine hyping up the zealous fans like Sanders supporters do. It's not unique to any candidate. And if you do find such large numbers acting that way online, that's more of a sign that Bernie has way more of his supporters online because Bernie was much more popular with the younger generation.
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