His name is going to be on at least one ballot, which means he's already damaged Biden. Egotistical prick of a man.Wow, just wow. This charlatan cannot occupy any more oxygen after this embarrassment, can he?
His name is going to be on at least one ballot, which means he's already damaged Biden. Egotistical prick of a man.Wow, just wow. This charlatan cannot occupy any more oxygen after this embarrassment, can he?
In 2008, roughly similar amounts of Clinton primary voters went for McCain as Sanders voters went for Trump. According to some numbers a lot more Clinton voters did.There is a left, they just don't vote because of their own purity tests. They cut off their nose to spite their face and then complain that people like their noses. We actually had a big time Bernie supporter here who thought it was quite ok to call Joe Biden a pedophile because he was unhappy with his past policies. Times fecking change and people's opinions change based on facts and outcomes. To ignore that at this point makes no sense. We live in crazy times, why make it exponentially worse?
The reality is there are two parties in this system and I for one would rather fight for a better life for everyone with Democrats in power instead of a borderline facist, anti science and downright cnuty party.
That's the fecking question I'm asking and the poster still hasn't answered who which party comes closer to his values. He would rather demean and throw shit around then actually be an adult about it. You can sing and fecking dance all you want but if you don't vote in America you get cnuts and end up becoming one yourself. Anyone, and I mean anyone that refuses to vote this time round after everything that's happened is a fool. I would rather see the progressive part of a cowardly party fight for us while in power than have them wasting their time explaining basic science and morality to a wanker.
You can't enact change by sitting on your arse complaining and the reality is it's a shitty choice between Trump v Biden. What's your choice? Because I for one am sick of Betsy Devos trying to infect my child just to make a nasty joke of a man look good in front of the mouth breathers and the daughter he wants to feck. It's not even a fecking debate right now, we can have that after a normal person is put in charge. There are some great members of the Democratic party coming through. I would rather not dampen their voices because the party shit the bed and nominated someone they thought could beat Trump, they may well turn out to be right. No one I know is happy with Biden being the nominee but the next four years would be more beneficial to all of us with the democratic party running the show instead of what we see now. Wouldn't you agree with that at least?
Also, even though I keep encouraging people to vote because Trump and the Republicans are such ginormous thundercnuts, let's be honest a vote for Biden is not the same as voting for Sanders. People keep talking about purity tests, but in reality its more like telling someone that they can't vote for their Labour preference but should vote Tory to stop the UKIP wanker from getting in. That might work a few times, but sooner or later people get really sick of it.That's at least some data for you, what's your data showing how the leftists don't vote because of purity tests?
I think the people who were thinking of voting Biden who are thinking of switching to Kanye are in the single digits. He's clearly just doing this for publicity or because he's insane but nonone will take his candidacy seriously.His name is going to be on at least one ballot, which means he's already damaged Biden. Egotistical prick of a man.
Sometimes states can come down to very fine margins.I think the people who were thinking of voting Biden who are thinking of switching to Kanye are in the single digits. He's clearly just doing this for publicity or because he's insane but nonone will take his candidacy seriously.
Agreed but I think the circumstances are different this time. Biden doesn't inspire this intense hatred in people the way Hillary did and Trump's performance will be motivation enough for loads.Sometimes states can come down to very fine margins.
Fingers crossed. I'm sure the GOP will have some twisted shit to throw in the run-up to the election though.Agreed but I think the circumstances are different this time. Biden doesn't inspire this intense hatred in people the way Hillary did and Trump's performance will be motivation enough for loads.
It would not surprise me in the least if we find out he dresses in his dead mother's clothes.This guy looks like he is in serious need of a psychiatric intervention.
Its not like anyone is going to vote for him if he runs. The I'll vote for Kanye people on the internet arent voter age anyway.I can't wait to vote for "The West Presidency" for thread of the year at the next caf awards.
Really though, the guy's bi-polar, he needs help. Politics in the US are a fecking farce. Idiocracy is real.
Shrewd move if it happens, especially with Ohio being winnable for Biden.JFC, John Kasich to be given a DNC speaking slot at convention
I disagree. The democrats absolutely hammered him on mass privatisation of Ohios economy and his utterly disgusting stance on social issues in 2016. Is it possible to not try to reform the image absolute bigots just for the sake of optics?Shrewd move if it happens, especially with Ohio being winnable for Biden.
I'm not surprised they are doing it TBH. There are a lot of votes to be gained in the middle of the spectrum and creating the perception of bipartisanship is a good way to do it. Biden himself is friendly with various Republicans so it would be perfectly in line with his MO.I disagree. The democrats absolutely hammered him on mass privatisation of Ohios economy and his utterly disgusting stance on social issues in 2016. Is it possible to not try to reform the image absolute bigots just for the sake of optics?
JFC, John Kasich to be given a DNC speaking slot at convention
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/me...iden-still-has-work-do-black-younger-n1234332.
What’s more, Biden’s favorable/unfavorable rating among Black voters stands at 48 percent positive, 19 percent negative (+29) — good, but hardly great with this steadfast Democratic voting bloc. Still, Black voters favor Biden over Trump by an 80 percent-to-6 percent margin in the poll.
And that brings us to voters 18 to 34: 56 percent of them have high interest in the election, which is about equal to where it was it was in Oct. 2016 (54 percent).
Biden’s fav/unfav rating with these youngest voters also is abysmal — 26 percent positive, 44 percent negative (-18). Still, Biden is leading Trump among these voters, 62 percent to 23 percent.
Bottom line: Biden still has room to grow with these voters when it comes to election interest and likeability.
And maybe that’s how he ultimately uses his looming VP pick, which is coming within the next month.
Are there any countries that had any success truly mobilizing the young folks? I know us old people now think that it's hard to understand why most of them arent interested in politics but how many of us were in our teens or even twenties when we re busy chasing tail and downing beers or other stuff we should be happy about didn't end up in the news? Serious question really.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/me...iden-still-has-work-do-black-younger-n1234332
Not going to take the usual "haha young people don't like Biden" routine. Thought I'd note how disappointing it is to see young people dumped on the irrelevancy sideline again. They didn't turn out for Bernie and now they have just given up completely. Who's going to be the politician to bring them out as a proportional force in politics? As we face existential issues, young people will always be one of the group's that suffer the most. I wonder if democrats are actually thinking about this after the "pivot to the centre right" phase is over when Biden leaves office?
Youth turnout was up this primary (at least on Super Tuesday), but it was swamped by increased turnout from older people.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/me...iden-still-has-work-do-black-younger-n1234332
Not going to take the usual "haha young people don't like Biden" routine. Thought I'd note how disappointing it is to see young people dumped on the irrelevancy sideline again. They didn't turn out for Bernie and now they have just given up completely. Who's going to be the politician to bring them out as a proportional force in politics? As we face existential issues, young people will always be one of the group's that suffer the most. I wonder if democrats are actually thinking about this after the "pivot to the centre right" phase is over when Biden leaves office?
Except that most Dems are generally ok with the people they vote for, otherwise they wouldn't bother going through the trouble of voting.If I were american I wouldn't vote for the Democrats. It's not viable to ask people to vote their entire lives fro something they don't like just because the other side comes up with loons. People may cover their nose and do it once or twice, but if that is asked of them literally their entire life, they have every right not to do it and not feel guilty about it.
I am talking about people politically left of the democratic party, like those in this thread who are made to be some sort of villains because they don't want to vote for Biden. I'm sure they are a decent percentage in the US.Except that most Dems are generally ok with the people they vote for, otherwise they wouldn't bother going through the trouble of voting.
I geneally agree, but this new poll suggests it's more complicted.Except that most Dems are generally ok with the people they vote for, otherwise they wouldn't bother going through the trouble of voting.
I think the circumstances surrounding this year's election are pretty unique. People seem to be ignoring the usual emphasis on policy issues in favor of doing what's necessary to pry Trump out of the Presidency. If this were a normal election year, we wouldn't be seeing strange things like Chomsky and Kasich agreeing on the same candidate.I geneally agree, but this new poll suggests it's more complicted.
If you alienate some potential voters by bringing in a homophobe that wants to take away women's rights, then the net result is (votes gained by Kasich) - (votes lost by Kasich). For future elections, you'd have the Kasich fans who stay for the next elections vs the alienated who stay out because of things like this. Considering the fact that the Kasich fans are 100 % voting against Trump and not for Biden, while the alienated voters will be disillusioned with the democratic party generally, this could be a risky long-term strategy.Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Exactly my thoughts to that.
As I said before, Chomsky has advocated voting against the Republican in every election ever, so he agreed with Henry Kissinger, Condolezza Rice, Michael Bloomberg, and David Frum in 2016 and with Colin Powell in 2008.I think the circumstances surrounding this year's election are pretty unique. People seem to be ignoring the usual emphasis on policy issues in favor of doing what's necessary to pry Trump out of the Presidency. If this were a normal election year, we wouldn't be seeing strange things like Chomsky and Kasich agreeing on the same candidate.
The purity-driven Republican party somehow does not face this problem, through multiple purges in 1994, 2010, and 2016.Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
The Republican base isnt afraid to lose unlike the left(However small) and liberals.The long term success of the Trump presidency could be packing the democrats full of Bush Jr politicians and voters.The purity-driven Republican party somehow does not face this problem, through multiple purges in 1994, 2010, and 2016.
There's a difference between using someone to gain votes, maybe using him on the ground on election Day, and ceding ground to legitimise people with awful political records at a convention. It's also a lie. There is no way in hell that a lunatic Republican from the trump era gets a speaking spot at the convention even if he or she turns on trump. Kasich was awful to gay people and punched down on poor people so as long as he's anti trump then all is seemingly forgiven or fobbed off. It's stupid to legitimise these people for no reason.Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Exactly my thoughts to that.
That's one way to frame it.I think the circumstances surrounding this year's election are pretty unique. People seem to be ignoring the usual emphasis on policy issues in favor of doing what's necessary to pry Trump out of the Presidency. If this were a normal election year, we wouldn't be seeing strange things like Chomsky and Kasich agreeing on the same candidate.
I'm sure some are voting against him because of the nonsense that comes out of his mouth. Look at how his poll numbers began to tank when he made the "inject them with bleach" comment at the COVID presser a couple of months ago. This weekend's Chris Wallace comedy show will likely have a similar effect imo.That's one way to frame it.
Another would be that Trump's policies are so far-right wing that they've united a broad coalition to vote against him. It's not like people are voting against Trump the dude because they don't like him as a person, but rather the insane policies he has pushed and continues to push in wake of a global pandemic and protests in the cities.