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2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Fairly good summary of what we're up against: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ican-party-discovers-virtues-stimulus/609244/
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R: The GOP are a bunch of political grafters with no interest whatsoever in actually holding principles (deficits? good or bad depending on who is in office; bailouts? good or bad depending on the industry) or helping people. Just seeing the quotes from Graham and McConnell about stimulus in 2009 vs today is basically a textbook definition of hypocrisy. I wish they'd all come very close to this virus and see how it feels about their politics.
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R: The GOP are a bunch of political grafters with no interest whatsoever in actually holding principles (deficits? good or bad depending on who is in office; bailouts? good or bad depending on the industry) or helping people. Just seeing the quotes from Graham and McConnell about stimulus in 2009 vs today is basically a textbook definition of hypocrisy. I wish they'd all come very close to this virus and see how it feels about their politics.Is there any chance the fact that potentially millions of Americans are going to be facing Bill's of tens of thousands of dollars a day to be on a ventilator possibly going to move the debate about a public healthcare system on significantly
Or will it get lost in the partisan soundbites and blame game
Or will it get lost in the partisan soundbites and blame game
One of them has been shot and is still a strong supporter of gun rights.Fairly good summary of what we're up against: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ican-party-discovers-virtues-stimulus/609244/
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imagine gritting your teeth and voting for this monster only to see her still lose. couldnt be me
Imagine voting for Harambe and putting Trump in charge though..
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Seems like the public have largely forgotten all things elections and are ready to move on.
I was talking to a few of my friends who volunteered for Obama, voted for HRC in 2016 and all of them refuse to vote for Biden this time round.
Trump is no republican. He is for Trump. Today if the Dems will support him he will change.
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This should have a big effect on things...
Wtf - that is insane. I suppose the hope is this is a temporary blip for a few months in the hope jobs are restored.
Had no idea this was exponentially worse than say 2008 this early!
To be fair, it's not worse than 2008, yet.
That chart shows the initial jobless claims and it jumped last week, but overall the unemployment rate is only at 4.4%, 08/09 was closer to 10% if I remember correctly.
https://www.politico.com/states/flo...florida-becomes-a-nightmare-for-trump-1271172
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/florida-unemployment-benefits-desantis-trump-rick-scott.html
Could be a tipping point to swing Florida to blue.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/florida-unemployment-benefits-desantis-trump-rick-scott.html
Could be a tipping point to swing Florida to blue.
Not wrong, but a bit misleading.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate said:
This guy was the biggest advocate of Bernie+Warren unity last year and even past SUper Tuesday. Reality catches up with everyone I guess.
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Anti-Sanders super PAC is backing moderate Democrats for House races
It's over for Bernie anyway. But I don't see Biden beating Trump. He has made himself irrelevant. Trump is always in the news be it terrible news for a lot of people.
The campaign has been pretty much suspended so its probably good he's not spending too much time in the news.
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I still think Biden is going to lose. Dems will mess it up by getting a VP whom no one will support and Trump is going to eat Biden. Trump doesn't do facts and Biden is Biden and could never win an argument against Trump. It's going to be an argument and not a debate because Trump is going to fight the only way he knows and that's not a fair fight.
I don't know about that. Trump trumped Hillary because mysoginy is for real. He won't have it so easy against Biden imo.
It's Biden who is going to lose. He needs his strategy to beat Trump. That means he needs a top running mate. Going with an African American lady is not going to help. He needs someone like Bernie or Cuomo as the VP.
I agree on the last bit. Unfortunately, he has sort of committed to going with a woman, which will limit him to a very narrow group of people to choose from.
His first priority is to win the election by beating Trump. If it means going back on your commitment so be it. That was the mantra used against Bernie. That the most important issue is beating Trump. The way things are going Cuomo would easily beat Trump and with him as VP Biden would have a much easier time than with some unknown lady.
Personally, I believe he should choose Bernie. Its the only way to unite the factions imo.
There's good a reason why Trump said Biden would be his dream opponent in 2020.
You can make fun of Trump's mistakes all day but Biden literally cannot string a few sentences together without looking like a bumbling fool. I had a sad laughing fit when Biden haplessly uttered "we cannot be reelected" and "we can only reelect Donald Trump."
Trump will eviscerate Biden in the 2020 debates and that's a sad thing to think about given that Trump isn't exactly the most articulate politican himself, either.
Haven't exactly been a fan of Bernie since he bowed to Hillary 4 years ago but he would've definitely stood a much better chance against Trump.
Trump wanted Bernie which is why he is saying the Dems are rigging the election against him. It's dumb two-step psychology, play up who you think is the weakest opponent so that you make the general election easier. Lindsay Graham said himself that Biden in reality is who the GOP worry about more. Bernie would not have won in 2016 (would have lost by more sadly) and would lose by a wide margin in 2020 because he is unable to build a strong enough coalition of majority voters.
Do you think nominating Bernie would turn off swing voters? Don't think young people are going to be motivated by that ticket and hardcore Sanders supporters would just think he sold out imo.
It would be a tradeoff imo. Some Bernie voters may vote for Biden if Bernie was on the ticket. Likewise, the independents who support Biden would probably still support him since its him who would be President.
I certainly can't see someone like Abrams or Warren being more popular than Bernie.
People here forget how unpopular Hillary is. When you see how Biden has completely turned the tables on Bernie in the primaries, with a convincing win in MI and even getting a victory in WA, you realize how hated Hillary must have been in 2016. It all goes back to the Lewinsky scandal sadly and Hillary's penchant for being too guarded and opaque, leading people to distrust her. Biden would have won in 2016. I question about 2020 due to his advancing age, unless the economy doesn't recover by election time.
EDIT: Also forgot to mention that there is an inherent advantage running as an incumbent and as someone who can give speeches from the White House and frame the conversation. Although with Trump it could just as easily backfire...
This is going to be much worse than 2008. Small businesses, which employ around 80% of the workforce, are going to go under in droves. Virtually every small business owner I’ve spoken to, and I am one, has around 30-60 days left of cash. At the most. Here in Chicago we are shut down for another 30 days at least, and so many hourly workers have lost their jobs that even when companies do reopen, people will have way less money to spend. Most companies are going to try and get back to full operation with way less staff than before. We are talking a solid 2-3 years until the market recovers properly. And at that point, with the amount of quantitative easing that has gone on (and will still go on as there will need to be a second stimulus package), we will all be facing enormous inflationary pressures. It could get so bad, don’t rule out a restructure of the Fed and a devaluation of the currency.
Economically, we are tip of the iceberg.
I agree definitely with the last sentence. While Kamala won't really help Biden I don't think Trump and his VP can attack her the way they will go after Warren. There is also a chance she may turn out African American voters to get closer to Obama levels, which would really solve every issue facing Biden as this would put NC and FL in real play.
I don't know, from what I've seen of Biden, he seems extremely inarticulate even compared to Trump, to the point where I can see him sweeping the floor with Biden in the debates. And I haven't even mentioned his tendency to be weird around girls and women.
I'm just waiting for this pandemic to blow over in hopefully a few months from now I can enjoy the circus of election whatever the outcome is. I think Trump will handily win reelection but I have been wrong before, and perhaps Biden's showing in the primaries point to him being more of a threat than Bernie despite my intuition.
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