These are largely the same group who finished 2nd. We obviously need more good players and the current lot to play to their potential.
7 losses in 9 games
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
As long as Ed Woodward & The Glazers remain in charge,then United will continue in this form,the club is a mess,you can change the manager,but it's the boardroom that needs changeing,until that happens,the United we see now,is what you will continue to get.
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We'll need Chelsea to score for us a this rate.
The contrast to now and when Ole took charge is quite something in terms of creating opportunities and goals scored.
There's been some defensive errors but we can't even get a decent shot away in many games.
Let it be on record that the poor run started before that buffoon Woodward made the appointment permanent. Think we had dropped 2 games or something. He had the benefit of hindsight to do a double take and ignored it. I wouldn't have him CEO a lemonade stand
I fear it will be 8 in 10 soon and would not bet against Huddersfield, however crap they are still beating us. Think we might just beat Cardiff at home though, probably with a penalty.
If Ole had not done 8 wins from first 8 he would definitely not be keeping the job this summer.
If Ole had not done 8 wins from first 8 he would definitely not be keeping the job this summer.
Two other occasions we've done this post WWII were both in the Munich rebuilding years. The first in 1961-1962 is the only time we have lost 8 in 10 post WWII. The other was in 1962-1963.
Them winning Europa doesnt impact us at all if we get 4th
The man has quite a knack for buying lemons.
You're forgetting how shit it was under Mourinho this season. Was not in any way better under Mou. Everton was dreadful but that apart, it's been miles better. We played 1 game more under Ole in the league and have like 11 points more. Pretty significant.
Matic and Lukaku were instrumental to finishing 2nd. Both players Ole wants to bin because they only fit a defensive system. Mou got a tune out of Ashley Young and Valencia who are finished. De Gea was also important in finishing 2nd, and he is a shadow of himself (probably not happy with new contract offer so is underperforming).
Not reinforcing properly in the summer killed us, because it deteriorated the squad. You have to keep on adding because it keeps players hungry and smoothes the transition between old and young players.
Really? I thought it was changed this season?
It's an absolute nightmare at the moment, no doubt. There's no quick fix for this, only years of good planning and hard work can get us out of this mess and back at an elite level. Not sure how that's going to happen considering the geniuses that run this horror show.
Not surprising when you miss sitters, who knew the ball had to be in the net to count as a goal.
We have been breaking a lot of records since David Moyes came.
That is why I said “even that wasn’t good enough”.
Ole gave us a bounce, we created more and took our chances. We’ve not done so on this run of 7 losses though, it’s just as bad a dip.
Players have nowhere to hide - but Ole is human and is learning on the spot, his hesitation to make changes is like Fred in the ball, dally on the spot and you will get caught out.
Ah yes, the old 'the great early form is down to him, but he's not at fault for the terrible form'. Classic, if I say so myself.
I'm seeing a lot of fans excusing Ole for narrow/unlucky defeats but at the same time giving him credit for lucky smash-and-grab victories - can't have your cake and eat it too.
No, but an 'interim' manager would never be hired at the end of the season after a run like this.
5 clubs from England can be in the CL, but not 6. If spurs and Chelsea finish outside the top 4 but win their European competitions, 4th places loses out on the CL spot.
Even though they have nothing to lose, being that we're on a message board, they're still too insecure to admit to their own ignorance.
Matic was our best player last year but has gone AWOL this season. The midfield is the engine room but once it collapses, there's little we could do. We can't also help the fact that Lukaku has bulked up on the previously non-agile body he's got, which has now even worsen his play.
Sack Ole?
This seasons been pretty much doomed even before it began. Those miserable pre season press conferences really foreshadowed the season to come.
I hope new signings make a difference. We need leaders on the pitch. We seem to have way too many weak minded players.
When we beat PSG he was god, now 6 or 7 weeks later he is Satan.
Only mattered if Spurs win the CL but finish outside the top 4 (not happening)
If I we were to be honest to ourselves, we would realise this was bound to happen as soon as we meet a good team. Most of our best runs under Ole was against relegation candidates. We were terrible against Leicester while de gea saved us against Spurs.
The only decent opposition we looked good against were the inconsistent Chelsea and Arsenal who have yet to deploy a 3-man defence to help to cover Xhaka flaws in the midfield. Hence, it was only a matter of time before the floodgates would open, considering the shite form of our saviour, de gea is.
The only decent opposition we looked good against were the inconsistent Chelsea and Arsenal who have yet to deploy a 3-man defence to help to cover Xhaka flaws in the midfield. Hence, it was only a matter of time before the floodgates would open, considering the shite form of our saviour, de gea is.
Just take a deep breath and look at the situation. Did you seriously expect anything out of Barcelona in 2 games or against City? We can grind out results occasionally as we did in the first 2 months under his tenure, but just look at our players. Fergie's back up CB's from when he retired are our starting CBs basically. Our starting right back is Fergie's back up winger when he retired. Our midfield is a mess whatever way you look at it and 1-2 years from now, none of them will be here starting for us. Our attack has no right winger and we use promising young players for the other 2 attacking positions. They just aren't that good.
Different mentalities wouldn't bridge the skill gap to both City and Barcelona, which is significant.
I didn't expect us to beat Barcelona over two legs. I was alarmed by Ole's team selections though. To play Shaw as a centreback for the first him in his career against the Barca front 3. In the 2nd leg to drop Lukaku when he saved us against PSG was baffling. I'm not impressed with his starting 11s or his substitutions and chopping and changing formations.
Not enough of a plan for me. You can't play games with only one tactic of counter attacking. He's been found out at the moment and if he thinks the Man United of old was just a counter attacking team then he's doing his old gaffer a disservice. We controlled many games from start to finish boxing teams in their own 18 yard box.
We have never come close to controlling games yet even when we've won.
Spot on.
I think we get the point.
You only sing when you’re winning...
I just can’t wait to see the back of pretty much every player in our squad right now. Just feel emptiness towards everything about the club at the moment.
On a lighter note, this cracked me up.
On a lighter note, this cracked me up.
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Spot on mate. You’re talking absolute sense here.
Seven defeats in nine must down amongst the worst runs of form in our history. It's very grim right now, but, miraculously we can still get a Champions League place. What matters is the re-build, starting this summer. In Ole we trust.
We have controlled plenty of games under Ole, though mainly at the start before everyone got injured and realized they aren't fit enough to play how he wanted on a regular basis. Against City, Barcelona, obviously not. Since then we've lost a lot of form and the other performances havent been great, but he needs time to turn the squad around.
And so fecking what if you dont agree with all his starting 11s or tactics. The home game against Barca wasnt even that bad, we conceded basically no chances but also created very little against a vastly superior side. Who did we have in alternative? Would you prefer starting Smalling and Jones in CB against Messi if we put Shaw at left back? For what it's worth, the tactic largely did work anyway, so feck knows why you're complaining so much for that. Would you prefer a standard 433 where we try to dominate Barca but get thumped at Old Trafford because they have vastly superior players in every single position on the pitch? You adapt when you are the lesser team.
Hes chopped and changed formations just like every manager ever has done when results havent gone their way.
It basically sounds like you expected or wanted miracles out of him and will complain for everything else. Overall since his appointment (you cant ignore the shit form but you also can't ignore the good form), we're still "the 3rd best side" which is the absolute peak of what these current players can give. Not to mention that it was a different situation 3 months ago compared to now, where its obvious Herrera is gone, when De Gea has probably decided he wants out, and when Pogba has probably decided he wants out. We have to change our lineup, players aren't as motivated or injuries caught up with them, and at the end of the day, Ole is using a horribly balanced squad that needs complete replacing anyway.
If you think the following squad is better then simply fighting for 4th with Arsenal and Chelsea, then by all means, keep whinging. You're deluded if you think that though, and before Ole came in, we picked up 27 points in 16 games under Mourinho after he was here for a full 2 seasons prior. Give Ole at least a summer window to buy and sell some players.
De Gea, Romero
Young, Shaw, Dalot, darmian
Smalling, lindelof, Jones, rojo, bailly
Pogba, fred, mctominay, matic, Herrera, Pereira
Mata, lingard, martial, rashford, Sanchez, Lukaku
You can probably take half of them at most as players who will be here in a year or 2 regardless of manager in charge. So yeah, this summer is important. People have differing opinions on if Ole is the right person to oversee the transition, that is fair. Whatever the case, I don't think Pochettino was going to come to United anyway, so it was going to be a punt whoever we went after. We'll see how it goes, and next season will be fair to criticize if we dont improve. But right now? Not having that.
5 goals, two of which were pen and 18 goals conceded.
Mourinho must be laughing his arse off right now
Mourinho must be laughing his arse off right now
Thanks for this, genuinely laughed for 2 minutes there
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